Baby killing for fun, profit, health, revenge and religion - the abortion thread

[Roc.]

... There was a deliberate campaign to obfuscate the debate as centered on medical emergencies.

I wasn't referring to "medical emergencies".

I was referring to the countless human and personal tragedies that occurred in the status quo we experienced under the regime of the bishops.

A status quo remember that did not only engender countless personal tragedies in the terms I put in my poem above. Also remembering the ~9K children who “died” in Mother & Baby Homes, the unwed mothers hidden away from society, the 50K babies taken away from their mothers as young as 12-years old, up until 1972 girls as young as 12 could be married, etc.

The above measured out in some type of objective terms in how say we not long ago paid out €800M to 34K survivors of church-run mother and baby homes (not enough). Or how we already paid out €1.5B euro to compensate 15K victims of child sexual abuse in Irish institutions etc.

That was what I was referring to in my post, if it wasn't obvious.

But if you're referring to the debate that occurred during the repeal campaign, the primary "medical" argument was about the best way to work through getting pregnant was to sit down with your GP and work on it that way, not be at the mercy of uninformed opinion regarding the personal and medical circumstances in each individual case.

The legislation set out that for abortions to be performed legally in the country, the involvement of a doctor is strictly required - you must have an initial consultation with an Irish-registered doctor, a doctor must medically certify that the pregnancy is within the legal time limits before a termination can occur, etc.

Those were the arguments. I note you are still unable to deal with the actual arguments and instead have to invent your opponents' arguments, and speak for them, inevitably making them out to be "baby killers" and all the other derogatory stuff.

It's no wonder the 'Yes' campaign won in a landslide. Anyone with a brain would vote against anything the likes of you might say, if for no other reason.

 

[Roc.]

Did you vote for it?

I have never voted. A vote is an endorsement of the system. I would never endorse the system as it is. And particularly in that referendum I could never vote considering the way the debate was left. I thought both sides were monstrous. There was no movement to some type of agreement, where each side could somehow see something of the other's perspective. I don't know who I blame more the right or the left. In truth I think you are both as bad as each other.

 

[Diarmuid]

I wasn't referring to "medical emergencies".

I was referring to the countless human and personal tragedies that occurred in the status quo we experienced under the regime of the bishops.

The regime wasmostly FF, FG and the Labour Party. Plus Noel Brown and Sean McBride for a few years. If there is any compo to be paid, they should pay their share, dontcha think?

A status quo remember that did not only engender countless personal tragedies in the terms I put in my poem above. Also remembering the ~9K children who “died” in Mother & Baby Homes,

Many more died outside the homes. How many died in your family???

the unwed mothers hidden away from society,

Many weren't.

the 50K babies taken away from their mothers as young as 12-years old, up until 1972 girls as young as 12 could be married, etc.

If you can have an abortion at 12, what's the problem with getting married at 12?

The above measured out in some type of objective terms in how say we not long ago paid out €800M to 34K survivors of church-run mother and baby homes (not enough). Or how we already paid out €1.5B euro to compensate 15K victims of child sexual abuse in Irish institutions etc.

How much should we pay to the children who had their genitals removed as trans gender care?
Any word on all the cute little refugee children missing from state care since the abortion referendum? Must be hundreds at this stage? No tears for them. I take it? Touchy subject, of course. Gda Deirdre Finn investigated and they found her dead.

That was what I was referring to in my post, if it wasn't obvious.

But if you're referring to the debate that occurred during the repeal campaign, the primary "medical" argument was about the best way to work through getting pregnant was to sit down with your GP and work on it that way, not be at the mercy of uninformed opinion regarding the personal and medical circumstances in each individual case.

You do accept that 99% of modern Irish abortions are consensual recreational sex of healthy babies? Or don't you?

The legislation set out that for abortions to be performed legally in the country, the involvement of a doctor is strictly required - you must have an initial consultation with an Irish-registered doctor, a doctor must medically certify that the pregnancy is within the legal time limits before a termination can occur, etc.

It's legal to abort up to nine months if it's an emergency. And it's legal to sell the body parts - laterabortions give higher value body parts.

Those were the arguments. I note you are still unable to deal with the actual arguments and instead have to invent your opponents' arguments, and speak for them, inevitably making them out to be "baby killers" and all the other derogatory stuff.

Did you watch the video, bro? That Whitmore Brennan lady, the TDs sister is baosting that she killed her "baby". Her word.

It's no wonder the 'Yes' campaign won in a landslide.

It was rigged.

Anyone with a brain would vote against anything the likes of you might say, if for no other reason.

Your words imply that you voted for in-womb-baby-killing. But perhaps I am reading too much into it.

 

[Diarmuid]

Quote:
"But if you're referring to the debate that occurred during the repeal campaign, the primary "medical" argument was about the best way to work through getting pregnant was to sit down with your GP and work on it that way, not be at the mercy of uninformed opinion regarding the personal and medical circumstances in each individual case."

That's not an argument for why we should legalise state funded abortion for healthy babies conceived through consensual - if careless sex..

That's just an argument for the most convenient way to do it.

Did you watch the video?
Did you dance the abortion jig at Dublin castle?
Do you weep for the missing refugee children?

Thank you for your comedy contribution. You are the bravest male abortion enthusiast in all of Ireland. Are you ready to speak IRL at a public meeting???

No other abortion enthusiast male will do so. Will you?

 

[Diarmuid]

Anyone with a brain would vote against anything the likes of you might say, if for no other reason.

But you said you didn't vote?
Do you have a brain?

That's the big problem with lying: you have to remember what lies you told

 

[Diarmuid]

Come on @Haven. let's hear your comedy take on in-womb-baby-killing? You were full of it on the Tuam babies thread but the silence of the grave here.

Did you dance the abortion jig?
Did you cheer the result?
Did you smile with delight as the abortionists' instrument advanced on the tiny struggling baby?

It's good to share. Tell us how you felt.