How much is the collapse of Catholicism to blame for Southern Ireland's mass immigration severe problems?

[SwordOfStZip]

Some people far from being unintelligent people believe that the void and self-hatred created by the collapse of Catholicism in the 26 counties is primarily to blame for the severe problems the 26 counties have with mass immigration. Certainly without it the demographic crisis in the indigenous population would not be so bad.

Others argue that the Bishops have not opposed mass immigration at all, and that in fact a lot of the Clergy have been partisans of the Fine Gael approach to these issues, and more than this that makes sense given that the Catholic means Universal and Catholicism was the "first globalism". I would argue that the Catholicism at it's purest puts forward a need to balance the Particular and the Universal in order to bring out the best in people and things as well as avoid the destructive pitfalls of an unbalanced Particularism or Universalism. However I think we must acknowledge the destructive role many of the Clergy are playing at this time which I think primarily comes down to their sychophantic or worse relationship to the current Ruling Elites.

This issue has come up in other threads but I think it needs it's own one.

 

[Nyob]

According to Tiger, a %

 

[Esatdigiwank]

Kl@us Schw@b must be a Catholic.

 

[Tiger]

Some people far from being unintelligent people believe that the void and self-hatred created by the collapse of Catholicism in the 26 counties is primarily to blame for the severe problems the 26 counties have with mass immigration. Certainly without it the demographic crisis in the indigenous population would not be so bad.

Others argue that the Bishops have not opposed mass immigration at all, and that in fact a lot of the Clergy have been partisans of the Fine Gael approach to these issues, and more than this that makes sense given that the Catholic means Universal and Catholicism was the "first globalism". I would argue that the Catholicism at it's purest puts forward a need to balance the Particular and the Universal in order to bring out the best in people and things as well as avoid the destructive pitfalls of an unbalanced Particularism or Universalism. However I think we must acknowledge the destructive role many of the Clergy are playing at this time which I think primarily comes down to their sychophantic or worse relationship to the current Ruling Elites.

This issue has come up in other threads but I think it needs its own one.

Swords, as we all know, what we are witnessing in Ireland is demographic treason and cultural euthanasia — a methodical replacement of the Irish Catholic people under the banner of human rights, led by a cabal of rootless technocrats and their clerical enablers. These aren’t blunders of policy. They are acts of malice wrapped in bureaucracy.

The architects of this national suicide are not men of faith. They are the ideological offspring of Marx, Freud, and Voltaire — soulless, post-Christian bureaucrats with sterile hearts and globalist dogma for brains. From Leo Varadkar to Simon Harris, and every NGO lackey, UN sycophant, and EU yes-man in between — these are not servants of the Irish people. They are middle managers of an international machine built to dismantle the remnants of Christendom, one nation at a time.

Ireland is now a post-Catholic colony — not of Britain, but of Brussels and Babylon. The churches may still stand, but the tabernacles are empty, the sanctuaries desecrated, and the pulpits are now platforms for climate hysteria and LGBTQ catechisms. And still, the modern Irishman claps politely — like a cow being led to slaughter while admiring the butcher’s smile.

They legalized abortion and called it compassion. They imported entire populations and called it solidarity. They shattered the Catholic family and called it freedom. And now, with birthrates in freefall, they dare call it a mystery — as if a nation could kill its children, mock its faith, and survive. The cradle is empty, and the airports are full — that’s their idea of progress.

And the so called bishops? Don’t insult the term. These are not successors of the Apostles — they’re PR agents in mitres. The post-Vatican II clergy are so thoroughly housebroken by freemasonry and modernist ideology that they flinch at the very mention of Christ the King. They peddle “dialogue” while the Faith burns. Their silence on mass immigration isn’t neutrality — it’s consent. And in many cases, it’s active participation.

The Novus Ordo Church, that grotesque creation of the 1960s, is not Catholic in any sense that would be recognized by Patrick, Pius X, or even a half-literate altar boy from 1955. It is the ecclesiastical wing of the globalist machine — the spiritual NGO of the New World Order, baptised in ambiguity and confirmed in cowardice.

People wonder why the bishops say nothing? It’s because they are nothing — spiritually null. The Vatican II religion is the spiritual wing of the Great Reset. Freemasonry did not just infiltrate the Church; it captured it, dressed it in rainbow vestments, and set it loose to destroy what it once built. We have no hierarchy left — only apostate functionaries who speak in corporate jargon and light candles at the altars of man.

 

[willows68]

The Church will survive in the SSPX movement. I myself stand apart from was passes for Catholicism these days under the evil of Bergoglio.

 

[Nyob]

Swords, as we all know, what we are witnessing in Ireland is demographic treason and cultural euthanasia — a methodical replacement of the Irish Catholic people under the banner of human rights, led by a cabal of rootless technocrats and their clerical enablers. These aren’t blunders of policy. They are acts of malice wrapped in bureaucracy.

The architects of this national suicide are not men of faith. They are the ideological offspring of Marx, Freud, and Voltaire — soulless, post-Christian bureaucrats with sterile hearts and globalist dogma for brains. From Leo Varadkar to Simon Harris, and every NGO lackey, UN sycophant, and EU yes-man in between — these are not servants of the Irish people. They are middle managers of an international machine built to dismantle the remnants of Christendom, one nation at a time.

Ireland is now a post-Catholic colony — not of Britain, but of Brussels and Babylon. The churches may still stand, but the tabernacles are empty, the sanctuaries desecrated, and the pulpits are now platforms for climate hysteria and LGBTQ catechisms. And still, the modern Irishman claps politely — like a cow being led to slaughter while admiring the butcher’s smile.

They legalized abortion and called it compassion. They imported entire populations and called it solidarity. They shattered the Catholic family and called it freedom. And now, with birthrates in freefall, they dare call it a mystery — as if a nation could kill its children, mock its faith, and survive. The cradle is empty, and the airports are full — that’s their idea of progress.

And the so called bishops? Don’t insult the term. These are not successors of the Apostles — they’re PR agents in mitres. The post-Vatican II clergy are so thoroughly housebroken by freemasonry and modernist ideology that they flinch at the very mention of Christ the King. They peddle “dialogue” while the Faith burns. Their silence on mass immigration isn’t neutrality — it’s consent. And in many cases, it’s active participation.

The Novus Ordo Church, that grotesque creation of the 1960s, is not Catholic in any sense that would be recognized by Patrick, Pius X, or even a half-literate altar boy from 1955. It is the ecclesiastical wing of the globalist machine — the spiritual NGO of the New World Order, baptised in ambiguity and confirmed in cowardice.

People wonder why the bishops say nothing? It’s because they are nothing — spiritually null. The Vatican II religion is the spiritual wing of the Great Reset. Freemasonry did not just infiltrate the Church; it captured it, dressed it in rainbow vestments, and set it loose to destroy what it once built. We have no hierarchy left — only apostate functionaries who speak in corporate jargon and light candles at the altars of man.

 

[Tiger]

A hopeless Jimbob classic - the classic drive-by tactic of the intellectually bankrupt: posting a meme about “appeal to purity” in lieu of a real argument, as if regurgitating a Reddit-tier fallacy chart substitutes for thinking. You didn’t engage with a single point. Not one. Instead, you tossed out a prefab label, hoping it would do the heavy lifting for you. It didn’t.

Go read a book and stop being a nonce.

 

[Tiger]

The Church will survive in the SSPX movement. I myself stand apart from was passes for Catholicism these days under the evil of Bergoglio.

Willow, you are a true Irish gem.

Your instincts are correct.

 

[Nyob]

A hopeless Jimbob classic - the classic drive-by tactic of the intellectually bankrupt: posting a meme about “appeal to purity” in lieu of a real argument, as if regurgitating a Reddit-tier fallacy chart substitutes for thinking. You didn’t engage with a single point. Not one. Instead, you tossed out a prefab label, hoping it would do the heavy lifting for you. It didn’t.

So you said nothing there, as per usual

Go read a book and stop being a nonce.

I have read a book and I'm not a nonce

Why are you allowed to be libelous on this site?

 

[Nyob]

The Church will survive in the SSPX movement. I myself stand apart from was passes for Catholicism these days under the evil of Bergoglio.

In what way do you Catholicism is "passing for Catholicism" these days?

Jesus was a refugee

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

The Church will survive in the SSPX movement. I myself stand apart from was passes for Catholicism these days under the evil of Bergoglio.

if the Church could only get black african SSPX priests in Ireland would they still populate the churches with them?

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

 

[Tiger]

if the Church could only get black african SSPX priests in Ireland would they still populate the churches with them?

Your response is a deflection — Ireland isn’t being repopulated with Catholics of any race, it’s being re-engineered by atheists and secularists with populations that dilute, not restore, the Faith. Face the facts.

Let’s deal with reality, not hypotheticals. The Irish state is not importing traditional Catholic missionaries — black, white, or otherwise. The Godless rulers are importing populations purposely with no Catholic heritage, often hostile to it, while the Faith is erased from public life.
This isn’t evangelization — it’s replacement.

Atheistic elites are not accidentally allowing this; they are deliberately orchestrating it. They’ve filled the spiritual vacuum left by apostate clergy not with fidelity, but with a patchwork of relativism, Islam, Pentecostalism, and secular hedonism. If you want to speculate about African SSPX priests, you’re in fantasy land — the real Ireland is being dismantled brick by brick, and not by Catholics.

As an atheist, I’m sure that you are ashamed.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Swords, as we all know, what we are witnessing in Ireland is demographic treason and cultural euthanasia — a methodical replacement of the Irish Catholic people under the banner of human rights, led by a cabal of rootless technocrats and their clerical enablers. These aren’t blunders of policy. They are acts of malice wrapped in bureaucracy.
The architects of this national suicide are not men of faith. They are the ideological offspring of Marx, Freud, and Voltaire — soulless, post-Christian bureaucrats with sterile hearts and globalist dogma for brains. From Leo Varadkar to Simon Harris, and every NGO lackey, UN sycophant, and EU yes-man in between — these are not servants of the Irish people. They are middle managers of an international machine built to dismantle the remnants of Christendom, one nation at a time.Ireland is now a post-Catholic colony — not of Britain, but of Brussels and Babylon. The churches may still stand, but the tabernacles are empty, the sanctuaries desecrated, and the pulpits are now platforms for climate hysteria and LGBTQ catechisms. And still, the modern Irishman claps politely — like a cow being led to slaughter while admiring the butcher’s smile.They legalized abortion and called it compassion. They imported entire populations and called it solidarity. They shattered the Catholic family and called it freedom. And now, with birthrates in freefall, they dare call it a mystery — as if a nation could kill its children, mock its faith, and survive. The cradle is empty, and the airports are full — that’s their idea of progress.And the so called bishops? Don’t insult the term. These are not successors of the Apostles — they’re PR agents in mitres. The post-Vatican II clergy are so thoroughly housebroken by freemasonry and modernist ideology that they flinch at the very mention of Christ the King. They peddle “dialogue” while the Faith burns. Their silence on mass immigration isn’t neutrality — it’s consent. And in many cases, it’s active participation.The Novus Ordo Church, that grotesque creation of the 1960s, is not Catholic in any sense that would be recognized by Patrick, Pius X, or even a half-literate altar boy from 1955. It is the ecclesiastical wing of the globalist machine — the spiritual NGO of the New World Order, baptised in ambiguity and confirmed in cowardice.People wonder why the bishops say nothing? It’s because they are nothing — spiritually null. The Vatican II religion is the spiritual wing of the Great Reset. Freemasonry did not just infiltrate the Church; it captured it, dressed it in rainbow vestments, and set it loose to destroy what it once built. We have no hierarchy left — only apostate functionaries who speak in corporate jargon and light candles at the altars of man.

^^
That's gotta be an AI effort?

 

[Tiger]

^^
That's gotta be an AI effort?

You think that because you don’t read books.

Cerebral alcohol atrophy is not a laughing matter.

 

[Tiger]

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If you think ‘Pope Francis’ is legit and worth quoting you are under qualified for this discussion.

Given the atheistic positions of the people actually pushing and promoting the invasion of Ireland, atheists would do well to keep their emotions in check.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

The Irish state is not importing traditional Catholic missionaries — black, white, or otherwise.

A while back I saw hundreds of Indians in traditional garb waving big banners marching in circles around my local Church.

It was like I'd entered the Twilight zone.

 

[Nyob]

If you think ‘Pope Francis’ is legit and worth quoting you are under qualified for this discussion.

You're incapable of discussion, you can't even recognise what one is

Sadly, the site is on your side

Given the atheistic positions of the people actually pushing and promoting the invasion of Ireland, atheists would do well to keep their emotions in check.

I really can't decide whether you hate atheists more than you love your (fictional) God, I strongly suspect the former, though

 

[Tiger]

A while back I saw hundreds of Indians in traditional garb waving big banners marching in circles around my local Church.

It was like I'd entered the Twilight zone.

Ah, the atheist discovers discomfort — not in the dogmas he spent decades ridiculing, but in the grotesque circus his own disbelief has unleashed.

He stands slack-jawed as imported cults encircle a dead church, unable to comprehend that it was his own Enlightenment-worship and rationalist iconoclasm that swept the altars clean and left the doors open to every god but God. You drove out the Faith that gave Ireland coherence, sanctity, and spiritual backbone — and now you wince as the ruins are colonized by the spiritual detritus of empire and migration.

This is not the “Twilight Zone.” This is revolutionary justice — the inevitable consequence of enthroning man in place of Christ.

The secular Irish regime, of which your atheism is the nervous system, didn't just permit this invasion — it engineered it. It deconstructed Irish Catholic identity, hollowed it out, and made the nation safe for every religion but its own.

You sneered at the Mass, mocked the Rosary, and now cry foul when the vacuum is filled by foreign rites? That’s not irony. That’s poetic justice.

As I’ve said before — abolish the sacred, and you won’t get nothing. You’ll get the profane. Welcome to it.

 

[Tiger]

Let’s have a game of - ‘let’s call a spade a spade’

In terms of Godless Ireland and the influence of public figures on mass immigration. What have these people all got in common:

1. Helen McEntee
2. Roderic O'Gorman
3. Leo Varadkar
4. Simon Harris
5. Jim O'Callaghan
6. Paschal Donohoe
7. Barry Andrews
8. Lucinda Creighton
9. Fintan O'Toole
10. Michael Nugent
11. Jane Donnelly
12. Patsy McGarry

Hint…it begins with ‘A’.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Ah, the atheist discovers discomfort — not in the dogmas he spent decades ridiculing, but in the grotesque circus his own disbelief has unleashed.

He stands slack-jawed as imported cults encircle a dead church.

No you eejit, these were Catholics going around their and the native's church.

Your co-religionists!

 

[Tiger]

No you eejit, these were Catholics going around their and the native's church.

Your co-religionists!

No Myles, they’re not Catholics, they’re heretics in the most basic understanding of the meaning of the word and they are most certainly not my co-religionists. They’re closer to you than me.

You’ve fallen for the trap, my friend. What you’re calling ‘Catholicism’ is a bastardized version, created by the very Masonic and atheistic forces you think you’re opposing. The post-Vatican II ‘church’ isn’t the Catholic Church — it’s an aberration designed by modernist infiltrators to destroy the true Faith and replace it with a watered-down, ecumenical shell. But of course, you wouldn’t see that, because you’ve been marinated in the poisoned well of a faithless ‘church’ — one that serves the secularist, globalist agenda.”

What you saw in those churches wasn’t true Catholicism — it was a compromised religion, molded by the same forces that promote mass immigration and the destruction of national identity. You’re not defending the Faith, you’re parroting the very system that’s erasing it. Your inability to see this speaks volumes about your own formation — you’re just another product of the Masonic revolution that dismantled the Church and the soul of Ireland.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

So you're like the guys who say there's never actually been any real Communism anywhere for anyone to critique.

It was all bastardized versions. Now if only you'd let us practive the real thing...

 

[clarke-connolly]

A while back I saw hundreds of Indians in traditional garb waving big banners marching in circles around my local Church.

It was like I'd entered the Twilight zone.

Were they suffering from Sheep Staggers ? !

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

If you think ‘Pope Francis’ is legit and worth quoting you are under qualified for this discussion.

Given the atheistic positions of the people actually pushing and promoting the invasion of Ireland, atheists would do well to keep their emotions in check.

While you lament about foreign imports into Ireland, many of the threads on this forum focus on the internal schisms of the Catholic Church. It seems that the battle there has been won first before anything can happen in the country. The SSPX are no different to the mainstream church when it comes to this stuff. The church itself is a foreign import into Ireland. Riding in on the back of foreign political intervention in centuries past. The SSPX church was happy to condemn Irish republicans to the eternal fires of hell in the 1860s, long before Pope Francis was flirting with LGBTism, Why should we care about the purity of the vehicles used for the subjugation of Ireland in previous centuries? So what if they have been abandoned by the rulers today? It horses for courses and you are just stuck on the previous race.

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

So you're like the guys who say there's never actually been any real Communism anywhere for anyone to critique.

It was all bastardized versions. Now if only you'd let us practive the real thing...

Yeah, exactly the pre Vatican II church never condemned Irishmen fighting for our freedom Pope Adrian IV never gave Henry II the go ahead bring Ireland into communion with Rome. It’s these modern Catholics, they’re the problem.

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

And we’ll overlook the British funding the creation of Maynooth in the 1840s. That’s totally not like some Open Society funded NGO spreading its new gospel in Ireland today. Do NGOs speak Latin like the Church in the 1840s? No!! So you see, British government funded priest training colleges was a ’good thing’ because latin

 

[Tiger]

View attachment 7495

While you lament about foreign imports into Ireland, many of the threads on this forum focus on the internal schisms of the Catholic Church. It seems that the battle there has been won first before anything can happen in the country. The SSPX are no different to the mainstream church when it comes to this stuff. The church itself is a foreign import into Ireland. Riding in on the back of foreign political intervention in centuries past. The SSPX church was happy to condemn Irish republicans to the eternal fires of hell in the 1860s, long before Pope Francis was flirting with LGBTism, Why should we care about the purity of the vehicles used for the subjugation of Ireland in previous centuries? So what if they have been abandoned by the rulers today? It horses for courses and you are just stuck on the previous race.

You’ve confused symptoms for causes and swallowed a centuries-old lie: that Catholicism was an invader rather than the lifeblood of Christian Europe. Let’s be clear about the reality of today first— it is the Godless, not the Catholic, who are the architects of the Great Replacement. The atheist technocrats, Masonic administrators, and globalist ideologues — not the Church of Patrick and Columba — are the ones reshaping Ireland into a rootless, consumerist compound of conflicting tongues and creeds. No amount of sticking the head in the sand can avoid this reality.

You seem to like your history Seek, so here is a history lesson that the Godless don't like to admit to - had it not been for the Catholic Church, Europe — including Ireland — would have fallen to Islamic conquest over a millennium ago. No Charles Martel at Tours. No Crusades to repel foreign incursion. No Scholastic foundations for Western law, philosophy, or sovereignty. Without Catholicism, Europe would be a satellite of foreign caliphates, its native cultures extinguished. You think the Church rode in on foreign power? The Church built the civilization you now presume to critique with a modernist lens handed to you by those who burned the bridges to our past. It spent the last 1000 years defending itself from Islamic invasion, and now in the post Catholic era, the Muslims have had the door opened to them to invade by invitation from the Godless.

Without the church, everyone would have names like Mohammad and Abdullah, instead of Barry and Kevin.

You claim I’m stuck on the previous race? No, I’m in the right race — the only one that matters. The one to reclaim the soul of Ireland from the spiritual arsonists who masquerade as humanitarians while presiding over our demographic dissolution.

For shits and giggles- can you name the 10 most prominent Godless Irish men or women who are leading the charge to fight against the current invasion and describe what it is exactly that they are doing.

 

[Nyob]

You’ve confused symptoms for causes and swallowed a centuries-old lie: that Catholicism was an invader rather than the lifeblood of Christian Europe. Let’s be clear about the reality of today first— it is the Godless, not the Catholic, who are the architects of the Great Replacement. The atheist technocrats, Masonic administrators, and globalist ideologues — not the Church of Patrick and Columba — are the ones reshaping Ireland into a rootless, consumerist compound of conflicting tongues and creeds. No amount of sticking the head in the sand can avoid this reality.

You seem to like your history Seek, so here is a history lesson that the Godless don't like to admit to - had it not been for the Catholic Church, Europe — including Ireland — would have fallen to Islamic conquest over a millennium ago. No Charles Martel at Tours. No Crusades to repel foreign incursion. No Scholastic foundations for Western law, philosophy, or sovereignty. Without Catholicism, Europe would be a satellite of foreign caliphates, its native cultures extinguished. You think the Church rode in on foreign power? The Church built the civilization you now presume to critique with a modernist lens handed to you by those who burned the bridges to our past. It spent the last 1000 years defending itself from Islamic invasion, and now in the post Catholic era, the Muslims have had the door opened to them to invade by invitation from the Godless.

Without the church, everyone would have names like Mohammad and Abdullah, instead of Barry and Kevin.

You claim I’m stuck on the previous race? No, I’m in the right race — the only one that matters. The one to reclaim the soul of Ireland from the spiritual arsonists who masquerade as humanitarians while presiding over our demographic dissolution.

For shits and giggles- can you name the 10 most prominent Godless Irish men or women who are leading the charge to fight against the current invasion and describe what it is exactly that they are doing.

You must have a list of the ten most prominent Godful? Or were you planning on using the No True Scotsman fallacy if you were asked that?

 

[SwordOfStZip]

You have Catholics who will argue that in order to be true to your Catholicism you must believe in open or almost open borders.

Than you have other Catholics who will insist that in order to be genuine in being a Catholic you have to be an Ethno-Nationalist and totally oppose almost all immigration.

I think both those positions are wrong. You can be a Faithful Catholic and be either an open borders nut or a very "based" ethno-nationalist (or indeed neither).

However the suggestion that a lot of contemporary Irish Bishops who formally belong to the Catholic Church are not really Catholic is not that of an unreasonable one;

Irish Synod Report: LGBTQ+ Inclusion Is "The Call of the Holy Spirit" - New Ways Ministry

Today, Bondings 2.0 features the Irish bishops’ synthesis as one of the strongest calls for LGBTQ+ inclusion during the synodal process so far.

www.newwaysministry.org

 

[Nyob]

You have Catholics who will argue that in order to be true to your Catholicism you must believe in open or almost open borders.

Than you have other Catholics who will insist that in order to be genuine in being a Catholic you have to be an Ethno-Nationalist and totally oppose almost all immigration.

I think both those positions are wrong. You can be a Faithful Catholic and be either an open borders nut or a very "based" ethno-nationalist (or indeed neither).

However the suggestion that a lot of contemporary Irish Bishops who formally belong to the Catholic Church are not really Catholic is not that of an unreasonable one;

Irish Synod Report: LGBTQ+ Inclusion Is "The Call of the Holy Spirit" - New Ways Ministry

Today, Bondings 2.0 features the Irish bishops’ synthesis as one of the strongest calls for LGBTQ+ inclusion during the synodal process so far.

www.newwaysministry.org

I think you're a lot more eh, nuanced about this than Tiger is (and I haven't accused you of engaging in the aforementioned fallacy)

I might be tempted to say that Christianity is end stage liberalism but my understanding of this thread is that it relates to immigration, not alphabetism.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

I think you're a lot more eh, nuanced about this than Tiger is (and I haven't accused you of engaging in the aforementioned fallacy)

I might be tempted to say that Christianity is end stage liberalism but my understanding of this thread is that it relates to immigration, not alphabetism.

You can be a Christian and have stupid views on immigration.

You cannot be a Christian and have stupid views on alphabetism.

So when Tiger accuses a lot of the Bishops of not being Christian he is within reason.

 

[Anderson]

A big part of the problem we’re seeing today—socially and culturally—can be traced back to how the Catholic Church lost the trust and respect of the people. The abuse scandals didn’t just damage individual lives, they broke the moral authority of an institution that once gave Ireland a sense of unity, identity, and shared values.

Because of that betrayal, many turned away from the Church, and with it, from a strong, united Christian front that could’ve helped guide the country through all these rapid changes. Instead of standing firm on core principles, a lot of the modern Church leadership—especially under the current Pope—seems to have veered into what many would call a kind of ‘woke’ ideology, often more aligned with globalist talking points than with the needs and values of their own people.

What’s worse is that the Church, once a protector of the vulnerable, now seems to leave many—especially the elderly—open to being taken advantage of by people who are only here to exploit the system. You hear the same kinds of stories over and over: scammers spinning lies, taking advantage, and there’s little resistance because the moral and social fabric that once held communities together has been weakened.

If the Church had held its ground, stayed true to its roots, and remained focused on fostering real social cohesion built around shared values and community, I don’t think we’d be watching Irish society unravel in the way it is now. The breakdown of that unity has left us wide open to all sorts of pressures and influences that don’t have the country’s best interests at heart.

 

[Nyob]

You can be a Christian and have stupid views on immigration.

Surely the question would be; Are those stupid views Christian, or not?

You cannot be a Christian and have stupid views on alphabetism.

There's a lot of equality baked into the Christian cake. Something Bowden would be completely opposed to

So when Tiger accuses a lot of the Bishops of not being Christian he is within reason.

He goes further, he places the blame on atheists, what is sometimes called an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory is (in his mind) an anti-atheist conspiracy theory

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Surely the question would be; Are those stupid views Christian, or not?


There's a lot of equality baked into the Christian cake. Something Bowden would be completely opposed to


He goes further, he places the blame on atheists, what is sometimes called an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory is (in his mind) an anti-atheist conspiracy theory

My point is that there are issues and subjects on which Christians can disagree with each other and still both remain fully Christian.

I would argue that the Catholic (and Orthodox Christian) concept of Sainthood rides roughshod over shallow and destructive notions of equalitarianism.

You could make an argument that the logic of atheism would be to embrace a rigid biological determinism and a desire to live on after one's death through one's biological group and therefore also a desire to purify and strengthen it. I have heard such arguments both from Leftist Protestants who see it as a negative of atheism and White Nationalists who saw as a positive for it. However in this context we have to look at "The Nal" and "McDaisyC" and how they relate their atheism to the rest of their views, including their views on mass immigration and their hatred of opposition to it.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

You’ve confused symptoms for causes and swallowed a centuries-old lie: that Catholicism was an invader rather than the lifeblood of Christian Europe. Let’s be clear about the reality of today first— it is the Godless, not the Catholic, who are the architects of the Great Replacement. The atheist technocrats, Masonic administrators, and globalist ideologues — not the Church of Patrick and Columba — are the ones reshaping Ireland into a rootless, consumerist compound of conflicting tongues and creeds. No amount of sticking the head in the sand can avoid this reality.

You seem to like your history Seek, so here is a history lesson that the Godless don't like to admit to - had it not been for the Catholic Church, Europe — including Ireland — would have fallen to Islamic conquest over a millennium ago. No Charles Martel at Tours. No Crusades to repel foreign incursion. No Scholastic foundations for Western law, philosophy, or sovereignty. Without Catholicism, Europe would be a satellite of foreign caliphates, its native cultures extinguished. You think the Church rode in on foreign power? The Church built the civilization you now presume to critique with a modernist lens handed to you by those who burned the bridges to our past. It spent the last 1000 years defending itself from Islamic invasion, and now in the post Catholic era, the Muslims have had the door opened to them to invade by invitation from the Godless.

Without the church, everyone would have names like Mohammad and Abdullah, instead of Barry and Kevin.

You claim I’m stuck on the previous race? No, I’m in the right race — the only one that matters. The one to reclaim the soul of Ireland from the spiritual arsonists who masquerade as humanitarians while presiding over our demographic dissolution.

For shits and giggles- can you name the 10 most prominent Godless Irish men or women who are leading the charge to fight against the current invasion and describe what it is exactly that they are doing.

Polish mass immigration is more of a problem here though than that from Muslim countries.

 

[Tiger]

Polish mass immigration is more of a problem here though than that from Muslim countries.

In what way?

 

[SwordOfStZip]

In what way?

There are more Poles coming over and interbreeding is much more common and likely between them and the indigenous population than between the indigenous population and Muslim immigrants.

 

[Nyob]

My point is that there are issues and subjects on which Christians can disagree with each other and still both remain fully Christian.

I would argue that the Catholic (and Orthodox Christian) concept of Sainthood rides roughshod over shallow and destructive notions of equalitarianism.

Veneration of a small number of individuals (including Christ himself) is hardly contrary to the general egalitarian message of Christianity. Like a monarchy, religion needs its king and nobles

You could make an argument that the logic of atheism would be to embrace a rigid biological determinism and a desire to live on after one's death through one's biological group and therefore also a desire to purify and strengthen it. I have heard such arguments both from Leftist Protestants who see it as a negative of atheism and White Nationalists who saw as a positive for it. However in this context we have to look at "The Nal" and "McDaisyC" and how they relate their atheism to the rest of their views, including their views on mass immigration and their hatred of opposition to it.

I'm sorry but you're another theist who doesn't know what atheism is, it isn't a "worldview", it's the absence of belief in something supernatural for which there isn't any evidence, furthermore, it's clear to atheists that religion is an invented construct of the human mind

I would put The Nal and Miss Daisy in the spiteful mutant category

 

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Veneration of a small number of individuals (including Christ himself) is hardly contrary to the general egalitarian message of Christianity. Like a monarchy, religion needs its king and nobles


I'm sorry but you're another theist who doesn't know what atheism is, it isn't a "worldview", it's the absence of belief in something supernatural for which there isn't any evidence, furthermore, it's clear to atheists that religion is an invented construct of the human mind

I would put The Nal and Miss Daisy in the spiteful mutant category

Watching James and Swords exchange ideas reminds me of Derek and John from the classic British documentary ‘The Strangest Village in Britain’ which showcases the town of Botton and its crazy inhabitants.

Derek and John have made up their own language that nobody else can understand. They can be seen ‘chatting’ at the 7:59 mark.


View: https://youtu.be/c8Srl0UNt7Q?feature=shared