Our Lady of Walsingham Anglican Pilgrimage 2024

[Myles O'Reilly]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEiL1LtW32Y

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

This video was 5 minute long. That’s practically a lord of the rings trilogy. Can you summarise what’s happening? Smells and Bells Protestants do something….

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Smells and Bells Protestants do something….

Well that's pretty much it. Although I seen some mug that looked like an Orthodox Bishop and an African wearing dreadlocks.

Still, I'd like to know what our resident Opus Dei nutters think of this annual event.

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

Well that's pretty much it. Although I seen some mug that looked like an Orthodox Bishop and an African wearing dreadlocks.

Still, I'd like to know what our resident Opus Dei nutters think of this annual event.

Did you see the woke priest at the 4.00 min mark?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

No Sir. I've rewatched it and don't know what you're talking about.

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

No Sir. I've rewatched it and don't know what you're talking about.

The priest with the dyed neon blue Mohawk hair do at around 4.00min. Dressed in all black clerical garb

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Ah yes I see him now! What a end

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

Say what you like about English Protestants, Italian Catholics take some beating in the Cringe Stakes.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Myles, it’s challenging to know what you’re looking for in terms of discussion. Are you seeking thoughts on the video's content, its production quality? It's common practice to give some context to an OP versus simply posting what appears to be a random choice of a video from you. Sharing even a brief opinion or question would help guide the conversation. Otherwise, the discussion risks becoming a scattershot of random interpretations. Care to elaborate on your perspective?

Fair point. I've often accused others of doing same.

I've known of this pilgrimage a long time. High church Anglicanism is different to low church. The church of Ireland is low church (with a couple of exceptions) which essentially means its more Proddy. High church can seem quite similar to Catholicism.

You mentioned CS Lewis the other day. Catholics had high regard for him.

If you had an Anglican friend like Lewis and he asked you to come to a service, would you join him Sir?

 

[Clean and free]

Fantastic OP. Detailed and thorough, providing lots of food for thought.

@Declan give the man a medal.

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

Fair point. I've often accused others of doing same.

I've known of this pilgrimage a long time. High church Anglicanism is different to low church. The church of Ireland is low church (with a couple of exceptions) which essentially means its more Proddy. High church can seem quite similar to Catholicism.

You mentioned CS Lewis the other day. Catholics had high regard for him.

If you had an Anglican friend like Lewis and he asked you to come to a service, would you join him Sir?

I have attended a couple of Evensong services. The first was in Westminster Abbey. It was free to enter if you were attending a service so we went. It was really good and atmospheric. At another stage we visited Yorkminster Cathedral for another Evensong. I'd have preferred some Gregorian chants in those settings but we take what we can get. I would get looked at if I went to some Proddy Cathedral here for Evensong but when a tourist you can get away it.

I also went, by mistake, to a Mass? Service? in the Church of St Mary the Virgin in Camden in London. I mean come on, does that sound Protestant? I seen the sign outside assumed it was Catholic. It was only by Communion time that I noticed that something was amiss. Am I such an inattentive Catholic that i could be three quarters of the way through before noticing? Am I going to hell for attending a heathen establishment?

I also had the opportunity to visit in the Blue Mosque in Istanbul. That was a tourist thing. A very impressive building. Later on in the evening towards dark i went back to the Mosque, the main building was shut but there was people sitting around the quad outside. It was alot more atmospheric in the semi dark and with snow lying. Got chatting to a few Syrian refugees who were there.

I like buildings of a religious nature and will always make a point of trying to visit them where I am somewhere different. Ukraine by far had the best Churches and Cathedrals. We spent all day in a monastery in Kiev. went to the Catacombs underneath it and seen the monks in their glass topped coffins.

if I was to pick my favourite Church so far, its St Lornez in Nuremberg. 15th century. The paintings, statues and artefacts in it are quite wonderful.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9u7EOryxtc

 

[Declan]

Fantastic OP. Detailed and thorough, providing lots of food for thought.

@Declan give the man a medal.

It took me all night to read the indepth analysis of the video, i did not even need to watch it in fact

 

[Tiger]

Fair point. I've often accused others of doing same.

I've known of this pilgrimage a long time. High church Anglicanism is different to low church. The church of Ireland is low church (with a couple of exceptions) which essentially means its more Proddy. High church can seem quite similar to Catholicism.

You mentioned CS Lewis the other day. Catholics had high regard for him.

If you had an Anglican friend like Lewis and he asked you to come to a service, would you join him Sir?

Myles, to answer your question (in way that you probably won’t like)....

Anglicanism, even in its "high church" form, is invalid from a Catholic perspective due to its break from the Pope’s authority and departure from the fullness of the Catholic faith. As I’m sure you already know, this schism began in the 16th century when Henry VIII declared himself "Supreme Head" of the Church in England, severing ties with Rome. This was not merely political but theological, as the Church of England rejected the papacy and essential Catholic teachings.

The most critical issue is apostolic succession, which ensures valid priestly ordinations through an unbroken line from the apostles under papal authority. England's break disrupted this continuity, and the new ordination rites introduced under Edward VI in 1550 failed to meet Catholic requirements for valid form and intention. By the time Elizabeth I embraced Protestant doctrine, Anglicanism had abandoned key Catholic beliefs, including the real presence in the Eucharist and the sacrificial nature of the Mass. Pope Leo XIII, in Apostolicae Curae (1896), declared Anglican orders "absolutely null and utterly void." Without this true, unbroken succession, the men in the video, are effectively men in religious costumes, but without actual apostolic validity.

Despite its resemblance to Catholicism, high church Anglicanism remains a schismatic sect without valid priesthood or sacraments. Attending such services would imply acceptance of its legitimacy, which a Catholic cannot do. To remain doctrinally faithful, we must avoid participation in their rites, which lack the grace and sanctity of the true Catholic Church.

Regarding the Walsingham Pilgrimage, it is traditionally Catholic, dating back to the 10th century. When I lived in London, I joined the Catholic version of this pilgrimage. There is no reason to partake in the Protestant version, as it lacks the historical and spiritual continuity with the original devotion.

To accept an invitation to an Anglican service, even one that is 'high church,' would be to tacitly acknowledge the legitimacy of a false, fragmented religion. My Catholic stance, in keeping with the perennial teaching of the Church, holds that one must not participate in such services, for it is not merely a matter of preference or social courtesy, but a matter of doctrinal fidelity.

 

[Tiger]

@Myles O'Reilly

I realise that there’s no chance of you reading the above

So here’s the simplified version (for 5-year-olds)…

Anglican churches broke away from the Catholic Church a long time ago when King Henry VIII said he didn’t want to follow the Pope anymore. After that, they stopped doing things the way Jesus taught through His apostles, like how priests are ordained and how Mass is celebrated.

Even if some Anglican churches look like Catholic ones, their priests aren’t real priests, and their sacraments aren’t real either. That’s why Catholics can’t join their services—it’s not the same as being in the true Church Jesus started.

The Walsingham Pilgrimage started as a Catholic tradition, and I went on the Catholic one when I lived in London. There’s no need to join a Protestant version because it’s not the same.

 

[Tiger]

Fair point. I've often accused others of doing same.

I've known of this pilgrimage a long time. High church Anglicanism is different to low church. The church of Ireland is low church (with a couple of exceptions) which essentially means its more Proddy. High church can seem quite similar to Catholicism.

You mentioned CS Lewis the other day. Catholics had high regard for him.

If you had an Anglican friend like Lewis and he asked you to come to a service, would you join him Sir?

Can I add in another question…are you a Proddy to?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Myles, to answer your question (in way that you probably won’t like)....

Anglicanism, even in its "high church" form, is invalid from a Catholic perspective due to its break from the Pope’s authority and departure from the fullness of the Catholic faith. As I’m sure you already know, this schism began in the 16th century when Henry VIII declared himself "Supreme Head" of the Church in England, severing ties with Rome. This was not merely political but theological, as the Church of England rejected the papacy and essential Catholic teachings.

The most critical issue is apostolic succession, which ensures valid priestly ordinations through an unbroken line from the apostles under papal authority. England's break disrupted this continuity, and the new ordination rites introduced under Edward VI in 1550 failed to meet Catholic requirements for valid form and intention. By the time Elizabeth I embraced Protestant doctrine, Anglicanism had abandoned key Catholic beliefs, including the real presence in the Eucharist and the sacrificial nature of the Mass. Pope Leo XIII, in Apostolicae Curae (1896), declared Anglican orders "absolutely null and utterly void." Without this true, unbroken succession, the men in the video, are effectively men in religious costumes, but without actual apostolic validity.

Despite its resemblance to Catholicism, high church Anglicanism remains a schismatic sect without valid priesthood or sacraments. Attending such services would imply acceptance of its legitimacy, which a Catholic cannot do. To remain doctrinally faithful, we must avoid participation in their rites, which lack the grace and sanctity of the true Catholic Church.

Regarding the Walsingham Pilgrimage, it is traditionally Catholic, dating back to the 10th century. When I lived in London, I joined the Catholic version of this pilgrimage. There is no reason to partake in the Protestant version, as it lacks the historical and spiritual continuity with the original devotion.

To accept an invitation to an Anglican service, even one that is 'high church,' would be to tacitly acknowledge the legitimacy of a false, fragmented religion. My Catholic stance, in keeping with the perennial teaching of the Church, holds that one must not participate in such services, for it is not merely a matter of preference or social courtesy, but a matter of doctrinal fidelity.

You Sir are a total nutter.

Can I add in another question…are you a Proddy to?

You've spent weeks calling me an atheist. You're hardly now asking if I'm a Christian?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

I would get looked at if I went to some Proddy Cathedral here for Evensong but when a tourist you can get away it.

Would the nordie Prods smell the Fenian off you that easily?

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

Would the nordie Prods smell the Fenian off you that easily?

we can instantly tell by looking at the distance between the eyes.

 

[Tiger]

You Sir are a total nutter.


You've spent weeks calling me an atheist. You're hardly now asking if I'm a Christian?

But you are an atheist from a Proddy background. Correct?

Otherwise your motivation for making this thread makes no sense.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

But you are an atheist from a Proddy background. Correct?

No and no.

Otherwise your motivation for making this thread makes no sense.

My motivation was to flush out the religious bigots on the Site out into the open and have you expose your mental retardation.

Mission accomplished!