Time to form a Clan

[Declan]

It's time for die hard Gaels to form a Clan.

 

[scolairebocht]

Well one thing that I think Irish people could do now, is insist that the phrase Irish is applied to those of Irish ethnicity, race, only. I think that is both respectful of the antiquity and uniqueness of the Irish race, and also respectful of the unique, and frequently magnificent, cultures that many immigrants to Ireland come from.

A simple analogy: if I went to live in Japan for no matter how long, they are not going to look upon me as Japanese and, more to the point, I would be extremely offended if they did, because I am Irish! Why in contrast are the Irish race to be treated as some makeshift wish washy thing that anybody can have who just rocks up here, its disrespectful to us and them?

And yes that's also true of the subsequent generations, I would hope my descendants, if I had any in Japan would consider themselves Irish as well. The Normans who came to Ireland did not dare call themselves Irish for many hundreds of years after they landed, because they were very proud of their own ancestry, and because so were the Irish, who therefore would not let them use that title! That's why you have 'Irishtown's beside many of the ancient towns and cities of Ireland, that's where the Irish lived obviously. Meaning then that the Normans themselves did not consider themselves Irish at that time, hundreds of years after the invasion.

Anyway I see many people doing this now on facebook and twitter and I think they are right. It's dissapointing to cause or support any kind of rancour between people, especially some people who might be representing us in sports etc, but I think at this point that little bit of protection of our race is now necessary.

 

[Declan]

Only people that pride themselves on being irish belong, those advocating for legal immigration are worse than those that say they want open or no borders. I hope to have more time for this effort.

 

[Declan]

@Anderson and @Jay Homer Simpson and maybe others have concluded there is no hope. Maybe they are right, who knows.

I am of the opinion that either way, the proper course of action is to separate. If the ship i going down, then get off the ship.

secession is the way to go. Form our own Nation, regardless if it is only one acre of bog.

First come up with a name.
How about Native Irish Nation.
or
Indigenous Irish Peoples (Party)(Nation)

I think I(we) should try.

 

[AUL LAD]

@Anderson and @Jay Homer Simpson and maybe others have concluded there is no hope. Maybe they are right, who knows.

I am of the opinion that either way, the proper course of action is to separate. If the ship i going down, then get off the ship.

secession is the way to go. Form our own Nation, regardless if it is only one acre of bog.

First come up with a name.
How about Native Irish Nation.
or
Indigenous Irish Peoples (Party)(Nation)

I think I(we) should try.

there are problems defining who we are --you are resident in Boston but i would call you a 150% Irishman -- beside you are generations of American born Irish -the city of Boston is Irish --how could we exclude them as they have a love of their heritage and some are more Irish than some of my neighbors .
dont get me wrong i am not being critical --what you have raised is very important and Irish politicians are afraid to go where you have gone ,
the word native excludes them --as does the word indigenous-- we as a nation need these people to belong.
PEOPLE OF THE IRISH NATION is not perfect but it allows them to belong .
at some stage you have to address the fact that people of a different skin colour may be real Irish -and have a love of our country as good as our own --what are we to do with them and our ancient people would poke fun at them in good humor but not malicious --we were not malicious and should be for our own good health and that of our nation.
this is a difficult area as it is easy to shoot anything that moves if its a immigrant --but we have to be smarter than that --we Irish have found Irish solutions to Irish problems before and must do again .
Victor Orban is a great man he puts the people of Hungary first and they do not have our immigrant problem HOWEVER AND A BIG HOWEVER the Irish government has in a tangible way been loyal to the Irish people in an other way .
the big prize for us is to get as much money from the EU as possible and spread this wealth amongst the Irish ,
and to do this we have to be the best boy in the class -- to keep the yanks and the very jealous EU/UK off our backs.
as our economy IS FUNDED BY AND DEPENDS ON THE TAX SCAM of allowing American companies to declare their profits in Ireland and to pay taxes here on money made in America or other European countries .
this is openly resented by Trump and many others and is used as a stick to beat and threaten the Irish state by the utter disgusting pricks in the EU.
the people in the Irish government know for them the only show in town is keeping the EU and USA off our backs and let us quietly as possible rob them for as long as possible --this is also patriotism as the monies are used to give us a great lifestyle and new schools etc .
the biggest building program in kilkenny in my over half century lifetime is happening right now --all the primary schools promised for decades and all the secondary schools promised for decades are being built NOW at the same time !!.
hundreds of new houses are being built TODAY at the same time as the giant ABBOT LAB co has just built the first phase of a base and the new staff currently of 800 will be joined later by a 1000 shortly when the building is completed .
this i have to admit is Irish patriotism of a real kind and the huge wealth spent in the creation of all this is spent locally and the employment in these co is well paid .
my son at the moment is penniless and is completing his masters to teach --his class mate decided to become an electrical apprentice in glanbia and worked there when he qualified for 2 years and then went to Merck sharp and dhome in carlow --starting pay 68,000-00.
i was overjoyed when i heard and i told my son only now is your fathers job is starting to being paid and now an electrician is being paid --is it not a great day for Ireland -
-knowing when he qualifies as a teacher he will earn half that --he smiled also he is a great young man now 6ft 8""and strong as an ox but quiet and inoffensive --people relax in his co he gives off a good vibe .

 

[clarke-connolly]

I suggest that a lot of what has happened in Ireland ( and other places ) and what is happening is a result of, So few Irish Children being born ~ ~ People having only 1 or 2 children or NO Children at all ~ ~ There is No way that the Irish Politicians could have got away with what they have got away with, if Irish People were having larger families.

Bring Back, Bigger Irish Families.

 

[Declan]

I suggest that a lot of what has happened in Ireland ( and other places ) and what is happening is a result of, So few Irish Children being born ~ ~ People having only 1 or 2 children or NO Children at all ~ ~ There is No way that the Irish Politicians could have got away with what they have got away with, if Irish People were having larger families.

Bring Back, Bigger Irish Families.

It has been made economically difficult if not impossible to have a bigger family. Only those heavily subsidized can do so. Somebody has to pay for the foreign parasites and it is the irish middle class and working people.

 

[Declan]

@AUL LAD

an indigenous irish person can exist anyplace, if my wife and myself had our children in Mexico, they would be exactly the same as here, not hispanic or native indian

 

[AUL LAD]

It has been made economically difficult if not impossible to have a bigger family. Only those heavily subsidized can do so. Somebody has to pay for the foreign parasites and it is the irish middle class and working people.

the Ukrainians in their fancy porches and jeeps could get free university education and free accommodation .
we limited ourselves to 2 kids as we knew we would have to fund uni and accommodation and 2 cars for 5 years all without a penny from anyone .

 

[Declan]

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This lad is looking for 400 billion from investors.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Anderson and Homer and maybe others have concluded there is no hope.

There is no hope if you continue to allow that child molester R0ry 0'Conner puke his shyte on here.

 

[Declan]

Three strikes and you are out

 

[AUL LAD]

@AUL LAD

an indigenous irish person can exist anyplace, if my wife and myself had our children in Mexico, they would be exactly the same as here, not hispanic or native indian

your children would be indigenous to Mexico and would be entitled to a Mexican passport as would you eventually when they were 18 and they would also be entitled to an Irish passport .
spike Milligan could not get a British passport/ pension even though he was born in a British military barracks in India to a British Sargent and his Irish wife even though he served in the British army in ww2 -- he phoned the Irish passport office and they told him ""your welcome here "" getting an Irish passport meant he could STAY in britan and get his affairs in order -- he never forgot it and was extremely proud of his Irish roots.

 

[scolairebocht]

No they wouldn't, in most countries around the world, including Ireland, you don't get a passport just because you were born there. Meanwhile many countries, like for example Japan and Israel, give citizenship based on original ethnicity, going back maybe 1000 years, almost entirely.

 

[Declan]

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This is very nteresting, a boby born in Ireland with s not automatically an Irish citizen

 

[AUL LAD]

No they wouldn't, in most countries around the world, including Ireland, you don't get a passport just because you were born there. Meanwhile many countries, like for example Japan and Israel, give citizenship based on original ethnicity, going back maybe 1000 years, almost entirely.

why would they refuse you with your birth cert in hand.

 

[Declan]

Say Nigeria, if my child was born in Nigeria, he would not be a Nigerian citizen