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    The Gemma Thread.

    Really? When was the first mention of heaven and hell by an early church father? Did Paul of Tarsus believe in a heaven or hell? How early?
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    The Gemma Thread.

    Despite some features common to all, NDE's seem to be to a large extent shaped by the individuals cultural environment. Here is an interesting look at the NDEs of Thai Buddhists. https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc799340/m2/1/high_res_d/vol19-no3-161.pdf Yamatoots One motif that...
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    The Gemma Thread.

    Spoofers? What makes you say that? And are the ones whose experience conveniently happens to comport with your Catholic world view not "spoofers"? .
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    The Gemma Thread.

    Take up your issue with Bart Ehrmann.
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    The Gemma Thread.

    Everyone's NDE is different. Many formerly religious people lose their faith after an NDE.
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    The Gemma Thread.

    Mark, the earliest canonical gospel, conveniently forgets to make any mention of "the lord's prayer". Makes you wonder if the authors of Matthew and Luke, writing decades later, added some "theological flourishes" to fit their evolving Jesus narrative. And "Sheol" wasn't some other wordly...
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    The Gemma Thread.

    The Christian version of hell didn't even exist during the time of Paul.
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    The Gemma Thread.

    Really? The Jews didn't believe in heaven or hell, and they still don't. Nor did the early Christians. These are Greek ideas, first articulated in Plato's Republic (the Greeks at the time of Homer had an entirely different belief) Like the Jews, the early Christians believed in a physical...

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