Origins Thread

[Myles O'Reilly]

Sir perhaps I've missed Saul's input on this subject and his defending of Electricity.

Could you show me where he got involved please?

 

[clarke-connolly]

I think it’s up to Saul to lay out his physical devotion to fat Jambo. Nothing to do with me.

Personally I’d like to stay away from their physical and emotional interaction. It doesn’t benefit this site.

Who is " Saul " again ~ I struggle to keep up with the, Code Names / Previous Names ? !

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Saul is Coal Gas and Peat. I don't know why Tiger is having a pop at him

 

[clarke-connolly]

Saul is Coal Gas and Peat. I don't know why Tiger is having a pop at him

Cheers ~ I can never follow that carry-on re; Different Names from Previous Sites / That Stuff.

 

[Wolf]

Cheers ~ I can never follow that carry-on re; Different Names from Previous Sites / That Stuff.

I don't know why people continually change their usernames on this site.
It doesn't take a genius to work out who they are.

C,G&P was Saul Goodman on p.ie, a sound lad.

 

[free and clean]

Of course, you do get some anomalies along the evolutionary cycle

 

[clarke-connolly]

Of course, you do get some anomalies along the evolutionary cycle

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Drugs Do This.

 

[Tiger]

This video is over an hour long, but well worth the time to watch. Trent discusses the remarkable constants of the universe and asks the question - are they ‘fine tuned?

 

[Tiger]

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

This video is over an hour long.

Well then you're gonna have to summarise for us.

Who's gonna listen to an hour of shyte???

 

[Tiger]

Well then you're gonna have to summarise for us.

Who's gonna listen to an hour of shyte???

Myles, just to say it… you often wear your cognitive decline as a badge of honour. For your own sake, I’d suggest you try to end this bad habit.

There are only two people who regularly whinge about the length of posts and video clip durations. That’s you and Jambo. Is it a coincidence that you both suffer from alcohol addiction? Probably not. The early stages of brain atrophy is similar to ADHD symptoms. Later on it can lead to full on dementia.

I would advise that you get hold of a product called ‘Lions Mane’ which is very popular these days with millennials who have issues focusing and digesting information.

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

So back to the real thread . Biologist Michael Denton here makes his case for the teleology we see at the cosmic, energetic and subatomic level mirror in the natural, biological world :


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SL_xqSvWqU

 

[Tiger]

So back to the real thread . Biologist Michael Denton here makes his case for the teleology we see at the cosmic, energetic and subatomic level mirror in the natural, biological world :


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SL_xqSvWqU

The fact that we’re in a Goldilocks universe begs many questions.

 

[tldr]

On the substance of action.

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[Tiger]

In the interesting video they discuss:

Population genetics
Generation of new forms of life
The molecular revolution
The Sequence Hypothesis
Virulent bacteria
Theodicy

I would have liked to hear them speak more to probability and randomness in evolutionary processes, such as mutations occurring at random in the genetic code, but what is discussed is worth listening to.

 

[Tiger]

In the overall discussion of ‘Origins’, a fascinating character worth looking at is Sir Fred Hoyle.

He was an English astronomer and mathematician who first coined the phrase the ‘Big Bang’. This is a fact that pub quiz aficionados will often know. What they don’t often know is that he would eventually go against his original Big Bang theory because it was mathematically impossible.

In a famous lecture at Cardiff University he said “Life cannot have originated on Earth” much to the shock of the listening students. He waited for their gasp to die down and he said “I’ve done the calculations, and mathematically it is simply impossible”.

He followed up with the quote “rabbits produce rabbits and very little else”. He accepted minor variations (also known as adaptation) which is non controversial, however once you go beyond that into new animals etc. he and the mathematically conscious biologists are saying is that Darwinian evolution is dead. It’s impossible.

For anyone interested, here’s a free pdf of a book he published on the subject called ‘Mathematics of Evolution’

http://www.evolocus.com/Textbooks/Hoyle1999.pdf

In this fascinating book, Hoyle delves into topics such as combinatorial inflation, the complexity of genetic algorithms, and the emergence of novel traits, employing mathematical analysis to critique aspects of evolutionary theory.

 

[scolairebocht]

Yes Hoyle is very much worth quoting on this subject, and he was a very highly respected scientist.

Anyway I was just wondering what is the story that atheists have about possessions and Exorcists and all that? Its very hard to dismiss all the latter as liars, which is presumably the atheist position? In any case here is an example of a talk by one in case anybody is interested:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQOSzZprIO4
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[Tiger]

Yes Hoyle is very much worth quoting on this subject, and he was a very highly respected scientist.

Anyway I was just wondering what is the story that atheists have about possessions and Exorcists and all that? Its very hard to dismiss all the latter as liars, which is presumably the atheist position? In any case here is an example of a talk by one in case anybody is interested:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQOSzZprIO4
.

You’re correct to bring this up Scolairebocht. I’m fascinated by accounts of possession, and the supra natural occurrences that happen. Particularly levitation, superhuman strength and people speaking in ancient languages.

Another area of interest is incorruptible saints. Their non embalmed bodies have lasted in tact for centuries with no viable medical explanation.

 

[Tiger]

In terms of origins, famous British physiologist, Denis Noble is highly regarded for his work in the field has spent the latter period of his life attacking Neo Darwinism for being unscientific. Asserting that its most important foundations are either wrong or overemphasised. He claims:

1: mutations are not random
2: Acquired characteristics can be inherited
3: The gene-centred view of evolution is wrong
4. Evolution is not a gradual gene-by-gene process but is macromutational.
5. Scientists have not been able to create new species in the lab or greenhouse, and we haven’t seen speciation occur in nature.

 

[Mad as Fish]

In the overall discussion of ‘Origins’, a fascinating character worth looking at is Sir Fred Hoyle.

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He was an English astronomer and mathematician who first coined the phrase the ‘Big Bang’. This is a fact that pub quiz aficionados will often know. What they don’t often know is that he would eventually go against his original Big Bang theory because it was mathematically impossible.

In a famous lecture at Cardiff University he said “Life cannot have originated on Earth” much to the shock of the listening students. He waited for their gasp to die down and he said “I’ve done the calculations, and mathematically it is simply impossible”.

He followed up with the quote “rabbits produce rabbits and very little else”. He accepted minor variations (also known as adaptation) which is non controversial, however once you go beyond that into new animals etc. he and the mathematically conscious biologists are saying is that Darwinian evolution is dead. It’s impossible.

For anyone interested, here’s a free pdf of a book he published on the subject called ‘Mathematics of Evolution’

http://www.evolocus.com/Textbooks/Hoyle1999.pdf

In this fascinating book, Hoyle delves into topics such as combinatorial inflation, the complexity of genetic algorithms, and the emergence of novel traits, employing mathematical analysis to critique aspects of evolutionary theory.

Which kinda goes with what I say about evolution, and that is we are only scratching at the surface of our understanding of it.