Origins Thread

[scolairebocht]

"Another area of interest is incorruptible saints. Their non embalmed bodies have lasted in tact for centuries with no viable medical explanation."

Yes absolutely, another fascinating area, but if you go into it in a big way you find some of the corpses were waxed, to preserve them in older times, and sometimes references to the modern bodies are not clear which were and which weren't so embalmed.

 

[Professor]

I think it more than coincidence that we humans share so many of the same traits as other mammals.
The Cat and I though very different are also very similar - a bit like you & your dog, Val and horse etc.

Looking at the other creatures features and it's plain to see we're all made of the same stuff - Two eyes, ears, teeth, arms, legs, dicks, balls, nipples etc etc. Our common ancestors clearly go back before the apes waaaaayy back . . . . .

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Interesting video.

Boooooring

 

[Professor]

We're the 'same stuff' as other earthlings

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

That's more like it. Coloured pictures. Good stuff Buddy

 

[jpc]

Do you think death should be feared?

It's our last act!
Makes no odds how modest or grand our lives were.
Or how peaceful or otherwise our demise is.
This final story is the same for us all
No point in overthinking it.
It happens when it happens.

 

[Mad as Fish]

We're the 'same stuff' as other earthlings

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Have you got it in dot to dot as well?

Just asking for a friend.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

It's our last act! No point in overthinking it.

Tell that to Tiger!

ZZZZZZZZZZZZ

 

[Tiger]

Tell that to Tiger!

ZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Myles, shush. The adults are talking.

Is there not a colouring book you could be playing with?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Is there not a colouring book you could be playing with?

Seriously, my work colleagues bought me one of those at Christmas as a joke

 

[Tiger]

We're the 'same stuff' as other earthlings

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The conversation around homogeneous structures has long since passed Professor. The fossil record doesn’t show a gradual step by step ascent of creatures developing. Of course a designed Universe would have homogeneous structures too.

The ‘Cambrian explosion’ shows the emergence of all the complex creatures we are familiar with today in one episode without the gradual steps in advance.

With the advance of microbiology, the discussion has moved to what is happening at the cellular level.

Darwin said if his own theory:

“If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.”

Darwin didn’t have access to powerful microscopes to study cells and he based his theory on the phenotype being more complex than the genotype. However we now know that the opposite is true.

The discovery of the double helical structure of DNA, the genetic code, the complicated, irregular structure of proteins, and much else have given us a greater understanding and appreciation for the elaborate structures that are necessary to sustain life.

 

[Mad as Fish]

The conversation around homogeneous structures has long since passed Professor. The fossil record doesn’t show a gradual step by step ascent of creatures developing. Of course a designed Universe would have homogeneous structures too.

The ‘Cambrian explosion’ shows the emergence of all the complex creatures we are familiar with today in one episode without the gradual steps in advance.

With the advance of microbiology, the discussion has moved to what is happening at the cellular level.

Darwin said if his own theory:

“If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.”

Darwin didn’t have access to powerful microscopes to study cells and he based his theory on the phenotype being more complex than the genotype. However we now now that the opposite is true.

The discovery of the double helical structure of DNA, the genetic code, the complicated, irregular structure of proteins, and much else have given us a greater understanding and appreciation for the elaborate structures that are necessary to sustain life.

I think the discoveries you mention have also led us into the the dark alley of complacency in thinking we know all there is to know, and it's now just a question of filling in the details.

Darwin himself was very uncertain of his theory and took many years to publish it, and even then he was pushed into doing so by others.

 

[Tiger]

I think the discoveries you mention have also led us into the the dark alley of complacency in thinking we know all there is to know, and it's now just a question of filling in the details.

Darwin himself was very uncertain of his theory and took many years to publish it, and even then he was pushed into doing so by others.

Absolutely. The debate around evolution and the origins of the universe is similar to the debate around man made climate change. There has been a hijacking of the debate at academic institutions who don’t want their work to be exposed. They are the only two areas of science where we hear the (shady) phrase of ‘settled science’ or ‘consensus’ to obfuscate from having to respond to awkward questions.

Dr. James Tour, a professor of biology from Rice University (who makes molecules for a living as a synthetic organic chemist ) has put a challenge in 5 specific areas to 10 well known evolutionary scientists.

They are:

1. Origin of Life. Give a plausible step by step model for life emerging from non life. The current theories on spontaneous generation of life fail to provide sufficient evidence or mechanisms to convincingly explain the complexity of biochemical systems

2. Chemical evolution. Explain the spontaneous formation of complex molecules such as proteins and nucleus acids under prebiotic conditions.

3. Molecular machines. Explain (through natural processes) how organisms such as ribosome and ATP synthase developed gradually without aid of a designer.

4. Homochirality. In terms of the origin of homochirality, and the predominance of a single chirality in biological molecules such as amino acids and sugars, explain how the asymmetry emerged in prebiotic environments without any external intervention.

5. Informational Complexity. Given the importance of information in living systems, (particularly DNA and RNA sequences), explain how genetic code and the information processing system within cells evolved using purely naturalistic reasoning.

In this fascinating interview, they discuss the ‘building blocks of the building blocks’.

 

[Tiger]

For those people who prefer shorter videos, this section where he debunks the ‘primordial soup’ narrative based on the complexity of bio molecules is a must watch:

 

[Tiger]

This video lays out the mathematical problems facing those trying to solve the puzzle of the spontaneous formation of life

 

[Tiger]

Here is a fascinating debate between Dr. Taylor and an obnoxious Farina. Farina spends the entire debate using ad hominem tactics.

Dr. Tour talks about the factual reality of chemistry and Farina talks about Dr. Tour.

Farina has no proper answers to anything so he tries to attack his opponent instead. That and lots of unsubstantiated ‘whataboutery’.

This mimics our own site troll James who spends entire threads using ad hominems and never debates the facts.

This is probably why James thinks 10 to the power of a 1000 is a small number or a “50/50”chance as the hucksters he puts his faith in are of the same mind.

 

[Tiger]

Here’s a very interesting interview with theoretical physicist Alexander Vilenkin.

In this interview, he is asked about the constants of the universe and ‘fine tuning’. He agrees that our universe is finely tuned and pours doubt on ‘string theory’ offering an avenue of a solution in terms of an explanation.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Here is a fascinating debate between Dr. Taylor and an obnoxious Farina. Farina spends the entire debate using ad hominem tactics.

Jared Taylor is an honest individual who just thinks its better if people stick to their own ethnic group.

Naturally he attracts a lot of ire for this.

 

[Tiger]

Jared Taylor is an honest individual who just thinks its better if people stick to their own ethnic group.

Naturally he attracts a lot of ire for this.

I think you’ve stumbled into the wrong conversation. We’re not discussing Jared Taylor.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Myles, just to say it… you often wear your cognitive decline as a badge of honour. For your own sake, I’d suggest you try to end this bad habit.

Au contraire my good man. Saul Goodman has consulted Artificial Intelligence about me and here are its findings:

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