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Kangal said:
"The assassin was not a member of any group and was the so-called lonely wolf."

And that's the end of that. They can't dress it up more than that. Once he gets his own defense team we will probably hear the real reasons.

There will be questions though as to how his security team allowed this to happen, and the shooters Russian connections.
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Shooter's Soros connections could be more informative

View: https://twitter.com/MagnetStefan/status/1791106293186363655
 
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Kangal said:
The Maidan Revolution by the people you mean. A coup normally comes from the army or other powerful insider.
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The "revolution by the 'people'." That's as saccharine and uninspired as "our democracy." Victoria Nuland, the State Dept., the CIA, the NED and John McCain were all involved in rabble-rousing in that square against Yanukovych. Her response to the EU's favoring Yanukovych's agreeing to the association deal and also to reform? "Fuck the EU." That vile bitch and her toady discussed at length whom they would replace Yanukovych with after he was forced out.

Coups frequently come from without, and the United States has excelled in instigating them. And please don't tell me this conversation was a GRU deep fake:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxaa-67yGM#t=89


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The trope "Zelensky won't hold elections" is the usual Russian garbage.
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There is no difference between cancelling, postponing and delaying elections and not holding them. The electorate is disenfranchised all the same. He's shut down opposition media and extended martial law, all with the blessing of the State Dept. et al. Then again, I reckon it doesn't matter, since he serves at the pleasure of the White House and CIA and not the poor bastard on the street that wants him to sue for peace.

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Would Russia allow Ukrainian elections to proceed unhindered? They'd launched missiles at the polling stations on election day.
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So, now you're admitting that elections won't be held and you trot out excuses such as muh civilian casualties? The Russians couldn't be arsed because the elections wouldn't be a referendum on the war, they'd be a referendum on whether Zelensky would be allowed to line his pockets further and then fuck off into exile when his paymasters order it.

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By your standards what happened from 1775 onwards in the American colonies was also a coup.
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Coups are an overt attempt to overthrow a government, internally or externally. The 13 colonies seceded from the British Empire. You'd better bone up on the definition of coup there, fella.
 
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When Nuland fucked off into the nether-regions with her tail between her legs, the deep state wept. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
 
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Yank Blow-In said:
That's as saccharine and uninspired as "our democracy." Victoria Nuland, the State Dept., the CIA, the NED and John McCain were all involved in rabble-rousing in that square against Yanukovych
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Much like the French then?

Milestones in the History of U.S. Foreign Relations - Office of the Historian

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"Between 1778 and 1782 the French provided supplies, arms and ammunition, uniforms, and, most importantly, troops and naval support to the beleaguered Continental Army. The French navy transported reinforcements, fought off a British fleet, and protected Washington’s forces in Virginia."

But of course was all the Maidan Revolution people got was moral support and advice from the West so its not quite the same.

We can't also forget about all the Russian help that Yanukovych had that you so conveniently left out, along his control of the security forces and media.
 
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Yank Blow-In said:
There is no difference between cancelling, postponing and delaying elections and not holding them.
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It's wartime. And there is clear precedent.

Ukraines elections are postponed until the state of war is over.
 
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Yank Blow-In said:
So, now you're admitting that elections won't be held and you trot out excuses such as muh civilian casualties?
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Excuses? Thats very cavalier of you.

That's what the Russians do. Kill civilians. That's not to be dismissed lightly. Shame on you.

If Russian stops attacking and withdraws to 2014 borders, it will be safe for civilians to go to polling stations.
 
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Yank Blow-In said:
Coups are an overt attempt to overthrow a government, internally or externally.
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I said, by your standards, it's was the American Coup, 1776-1783.

I think you need to bone up on the definition there, fella.

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Coup d’etat | Definition, Examples, & Facts

Coup d’etat, the sudden, violent overthrow of an existing government by a small group. Unlike a revolution, in which large numbers of people work for basic social, economic, and political change, a coup is a change in power from the top that merely results in the replacement of leading...
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bormotello said:
Shooter's Soros connections could be more informative
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We already know about his real connections. We have actual proof of it.

The entire op is being called off from what I can see. There is much less disinformation being published by Russian botfarms on this episode,

The Fico media will try continue to push these lines to distract from an old man (who was not, as you tried to tell us, Ukrainian) with right wing paramilitary Russian connections shooting a prime minister not once, but 5 times, while a security team stood and watched.

On to the next one I guess for the FSB.
 
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