Does Nationalism Need National Socialism?

[AN2]

SO a debate has been ongoing online about this with somewhat of a Northern / Southern hemisphere divide.

For the Southern, there's Australian Joel Davis (who I think @Fishalt would call a Stormfag) making arguments like this -

And then of course there's our own Justin.

Any thoughts? Is trying to rehabilitate Nazism mad, or something that nationalists should try to do?

 

[SwordOfStZip]

No. I am not a White Nationalist and disagree with that ideology however you can hold that ideology and be a Libertarian or a Social Democrat (well Social Democracy in practice on economic issues is close to Hitlerism). Also White Nationalism generally sees Poles, Czechs, etc as part of the White tribe- Hitler's contempt and aggression towards such groups therefore is going to be problematic for Polish and Czech White Nationalists unless they want to totally distort history.

In an Irish context generally White Nationalists would agree with me about a need to stop mass immigration and reverse indigenous demographic decline- in terms of politics I do not want those our areas of agreement associated with Hitlerism.

However I do find the way that Western Elites make use of this image of Nazism annoying and wrong on a lot of levels. I think historical issues should be treated with soberity.

 

[AN2]

No. I am not a White Nationalist and disagree with that ideology however you can hold that ideology and be a Libertarian or a Social Democrat (well Social Democracy in practice on economic issues is close to Hitlerism).

Also White Nationalism generally sees Poles, Czechs, etc as part of the White tribe- Hitler's contempt and aggression towards such groups therefore is going to be problematic for Polish and Czech White Nationalists unless they want to totally distort history.

That is true

In an Irish context generally White Nationalists would agree with me about a need to stop mass immigration and reverse indigenous demographic decline- in terms of politics I do not want those our areas of agreement associated with Hitlerism.

However I do find the way that Western Elites make use of this image of Nazism annoying and wrong on a lot of levels. I think historical issues should be treated with soberity.

This I don't hesitate about

I cringe every time I see some (white) dipshit refer to some other group as Nazis

 

[SwordOfStZip]

That is true

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This I don't hesitate about

I cringe every time I see some (white) dipshit refer to some other group as Nazis

I think Slav is a messy term. I am unsure as to whether Alfred Rosenberg and Johannes Von Leers were not correct in their views on the Czechs and the Poles at times if I am going to be honest. The Russians are totally different story though as are the Yugoslavs and Bulgarians- I have a lot of time for the former and am not averse to the latter. Also there are people who claim that Shoah commemoration stuff in the contemporary West serves a White Surpemacist agenda, I think actually that some of the arguments they put forward are actually worth thinking about.

The UK did not have recruitment during World War II in the North- actually Loyalist conspiracy theories about the Battle of Somme meant that a lot of Prods, especially the most savage, did not want to go away again and that is why it was not brought in. Compared to the rest of Europe World War II did not make much of an impact on the Irish collective psyches.

 

[AN2]

I think Slav is a messy term. I am unsure as to whether Alfred Rosenberg and Johannes Von Leers were not correct in their views on the Czechs and the Poles at times if I am going to be honest. The Russians are totally different story though as are the Yugoslavs and Bulgarians- I have a lot of time for the former and am not averse to the latter.

Well I think it's fair to say that when Hitler looked east he saw less than Aryans

Also there are people who claim that Shoah commemoration stuff in the contemporary West serves a White Surpemacist agenda, I think actually that some of the arguments they put forward are actually worth thinking about.

Huh?

A white nationalist wouldn't consider Jews to be White

The UK did not have recruitment during World War II in the North- actually Loyalist conspiracy theories about the Battle of Somme meant that a lot of Prods, especially the most savage, did not want to go away again and that is why it was not brought in. Compared to the rest of Europe World War II did not make much of an impact on the Irish collective psyches.

@Mods vs Roc_ers has never forgiven Dev

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Huh?

A white nationalist wouldn't consider Jews to be White


@Mods vs Roc_ers has never forgiven Dev

By White Supremacist they would be thinking about people like Douglas Murray and Kevin Parlon as opposed to Andrew Anglin. Making out that the Jewish victims of the Shoah suffering is so much more important than that of other groups who also suffered massacres through European Social Darwinism whether they be the victims of An Gorta Mor/the Irish Holocaust here, the Bengalis or the Apaches because those Jews were "Good Europeans" and therefore that supposedly makes it so much worse is kinda White Supremacist.

Dev was far from being an anti-Jewish anti-Semite and was admired by many Jews at the time. Remember Dev put in Rabbinic Judaism into the Constitution as an Irish Religion. roc_ now will focus on the "Special Place" it said that Catholicism had but that was largely Dev trying to fob off people who wanted a full blown Catholic State. Dev was far from an aggressive secularist but he was also far from being a Catholic Integralist.

The real villian for Jews was Charles Bewley who was a complex character. He did not want to let in Jews or people from Jewish backgrounds into Ireland until they had converted to Christianity preferably to Catholicism. The thing is that roc_ behaves exactly like Charles Bewley said they would. Even with the likes of McGuirk and David Quinn sucking up to him- which I often find disgusting- he just cannot help himself. This does not necessarily justify Bewley's actions as an Irish Free State diplomat in Germany in the 1930s and 1940s but I do think it is not the place of the likes of Alan Shatter or roc_ to make critiques of them.

 

[jpc]

I think Slav is a messy term. I am unsure as to whether Alfred Rosenberg and Johannes Von Leers were not correct in their views on the Czechs and the Poles at times if I am going to be honest. The Russians are totally different story though as are the Yugoslavs and Bulgarians- I have a lot of time for the former and am not averse to the latter. Also there are people who claim that Shoah commemoration stuff in the contemporary West serves a White Surpemacist agenda, I think actually that some of the arguments they put forward are actually worth thinking about.

The UK did not have recruitment during World War II in the North- actually Loyalist conspiracy theories about the Battle of Somme meant that a lot of Prods, especially the most savage, did not want to go away again and that is why it was not brought in. Compared to the rest of Europe World War II did not make much of an impact on the Irish collective psyches.

It was "The emergency "!
Now that was a work of genius by some civil servant in Dublin

 

[AUL LAD]

No. I am not a White Nationalist and disagree with that ideology however you can hold that ideology and be a Libertarian or a Social Democrat (well Social Democracy in practice on economic issues is close to Hitlerism). Also White Nationalism generally sees Poles, Czechs, etc as part of the White tribe- Hitler's contempt and aggression towards such groups therefore is going to be problematic for Polish and Czech White Nationalists unless they want to totally distort history.

In an Irish context generally White Nationalists would agree with me about a need to stop mass immigration and reverse indigenous demographic decline- in terms of politics I do not want those our areas of agreement associated with Hitlerism.

However I do find the way that Western Elites make use of this image of Nazism annoying and wrong on a lot of levels. I think historical issues should be treated with soberity.

i find when national socialism is discussed its always limited to atrocities and whiteness which cause most people to run a mile and further the holocaust is the barbed wire around Hitlers economic MIRACLE .
do not inspect-- any discussion of this magical wealth creation is verboten
when you divorce the long list of atrocities real and imagined---- you are left with a vast powerhouse of wealth which was shared with the German people while their country was at war .
the war was declared on Germany in march 1933 BY JUDEA some 8 months before KRISTALNACHT which was listed as the first atrocity however this "" night of the broken glass ""was a response to Germany being sanctioned worldwide by the financial owners of Germany largely new York based and the German people took 8 months to realize the effect it had--- and at its core was the destruction and enslavement of Germany.
Hitler was faced with 155 banking companies and only 11 of them were in German hands --the Germans therefore controlled less than 10% of their own financial system.
Hitler knew he could not partner with those who wished to enslave Germany he had to make a fresh start and bypass them and make them irrelevant which he did by establishing a new currency which had no gold to back it as it was all in new York and relied on the industry of its people to give it value .
this action allowed Germany to keep its own wealth and become the wealthiest country in Europe in 5 years from the starvation and suicide of the Wiermar republic as the interest and the criminal intermediaries who created chaos by manipulating every market to create a glut and a shortage which robbed the producer and the purchaser and siphoned the wealth of any and all industry and made it hopeless to try and run any business .
these crimes are never discussed and the fixing of these crimes allowed the Germans to become wealthy and the rest of Europe was then exposed as being mere slaves to the Jewish banks .
as a result ""Germany has to be destroyed""" was shouted by the tens of thousands of Jews who gathered in stadiums in the USA .
and this was shouted and screamed many years before 1939 the official outbreak of war.
see book by kaufmann --GERMANY MUST BE DESTROYED .
there is a lot to national socialism which must be hidden at all costs as if the ordinary people could see what is stolen from them and put a stop to it the show would be over and people would enjoy a good life where they had enough wealth to enjoy their lives and when the people of libya have national socialism free education and medical cards and houses then "" LIBYA MUST BE DESTROYED"" and it was -- that's all you need to know about national socialism if you try it you will die but nobody will allow you to discuss it and no school of economics features Hitlers economics or gdaffys as a model to wealth creation despite both countries having the highest GDP in their part of the world .
Churchill to lord Boothby his private sec --HITLERS GREATEST MISTAKE WAS LEAVING THE WORLDS FINANCIAL SYSTEM "".
it took the combined economies of the planet to defeat this economy which was heavily sanctioned and had no banking facilities worldwide -- had no gold and that is the lesson of the 2nd world war which is never spoken about.

 

[AN2]

By White Supremacist they would be thinking about people like Douglas Murray and Kevin Parlon as opposed to Andrew Anglin.

I had never heard of him (roc won't believe me )

Making out that the Jewish victims of the Shoah suffering is so much more important than that of other groups who also suffered massacres through European Social Darwinism whether they be the victims of An Gorta Mor/the Irish Holocaust here, the Bengalis or the Apaches because those Jews were "Good Europeans" and therefore that supposedly makes it so much worse is kinda White Supremacist.

Yeah, I go with the actual definition myself

I see it as term comprising two words, one referring to race and not the other being whatever I want it to be

Dev was far from being an anti-Jewish anti-Semite and was admired by many Jews at the time. Remember Dev put in Rabbinic Judaism into the Constitution as an Irish Religion. roc_ now will focus on the "Special Place" it said that Catholicism had but that was largely Dev trying to fob off people who wanted a full blown Catholic State. Dev was far from an aggressive secularist but he was also far from being a Catholic Integralist.

The real villian for Jews was Charles Bewley who was a complex character. He did not want to let in Jews or people from Jewish backgrounds into Ireland

Based

until they had converted to Christianity preferably to Catholicism. The thing is that roc_ behaves exactly like Charles Bewley said they would. Even with the likes of McGuirk and David Quinn sucking up to him- which I often find disgusting- he just cannot help himself. This does not necessarily justify Bewley's actions as an Irish Free State diplomat in Germany in the 1930s and 1940s but I do think it is not the place of the likes of Alan Shatter or roc_ to make critiques of them.

roc doesn't actually criticise "far-right" figures if they're philosemitic, surely you've noticed this

 

[SwordOfStZip]

i find when national socialism is discussed its always limited to atrocities and whiteness which cause most people to run a mile and further the holocaust is the barbed wire around Hitlers economic MIRACLE .

You are right that the issue of banking, monetary, etc reform is a huge one and one that does not get nearly the discussion it deserves. I also believe that opposition to this drives a lot of the politics of Myles, etc.

 

[AUL LAD]

Discussion is not limited to its "atrocities". Neither were Nazi economics any great revelation.

The most important element of discussion was and is what the fuck happened to the German people?

And you listen to idiots on here, and you go, oh yeah, that's what fucking happened.

An extraordinary rape of the soul.

I have been an idiot most of my life ---tell us all what is it like not to be an idiot -- does your shit still smell --you must be a multi-millionaire with concubines and a palace or two .
tell us all about your life -it must be wonderful to be so clever -but what puzzles me is your question WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED THE GERMAN PEOPLE .
with your brains you would have read that tens of thousands per month died of starvation and suicide at the end of the Wiemar republic and the German people stated Hitler restored their pride in themselves and ended the starvation and suicide and hopelessness .
it got so bad that its recorded that visiting Austrian folk groups fainted in his presence and begged him to come to Austria and save them .
so much love even from foreigners --he must have been good for something or maybe like me they were idiots they could not see the bankers would rule again and Germany would be destroyed -- that's what happens to idiots when they actually think they own their own currency and country.

 

[AN2]

Any "neo nazi" you'll ever meet, their basic problem is they need to get out more. Exhibit A and B above.

So not content with white supremacist, you're now saying that I'm a Neo-Nazi?

Why are so you so content with lying?

 

[AN2]

Discussion is not limited to its "atrocities".

The most important element of discussion was and is what the fuck happened to the German people?

An extraordinary rape of the soul.

lol On the very first page -

The consequences, for Germany, Europe and the wider world, were catastrophic, but no more so than for European Jews, who were subjected to a deliberate campaign to excise and expunge each and every one of them, which we rightly recognise as a uniquely terrible event in modern history.

I once said that the most evil, anti-white word in all of human history is racist/racism followed by Holocaust

 

[céline]

First of all, if National Socialism is EMULATED, it should be improved by focussing more on what Heinrich Himmler & particularly Julius Evola wanted, which was a religious system of magic ruling over a warrior caste, in which merchants & peasants were kept in their place.

Second... I appreciate Justin Barrett's attempts at creating a new party as well as the BNP but I think it is obvious that they are never going to get in to power. My suggestion is that you have someone join the Tory party & turn it in to a party based on the principles of Julius Evola.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

The most important element of discussion was and is what the fuck happened to the German people?

Indeed- a large majority of the membership of the NSDAP no mind "ordinary" Germans when the Shoah which the State had tried very hard to keep secret from the population was made public were horrified, and even those who disbelieved the reports did not believe that if it had happened it would not have been utterly evil and wrong. However fast forward today and you find a large majority of Germans in support of the "Operation Iron Swords" or the genocidal assult on Gaza which was carried out in a far more sadistic manner than the Shoah was (just compare death by White Phosperous and death by Zylon B- the latter been chosen as a killing tool for humanitarian reasons). So what did happen to the Germans the decades following World War II?

 

[AUL LAD]

So what did happen to the Germans the decades following World War II?

the entire country is still suffering from ptsd and this has been used to an extraordinary extent by the Israelis.
these ptsd sufferers have provided the Israelis with 7 state of the art diesel electric subs to allow them to launch atomic missiles worldwide --""their Samson solution "
this madness has been covered in a poem by Gunther grass the Nobel prizewinner titled WHAT MUST BE SAID .
This is only one chapter in the large book and Israel have stolen billions in ""reparations "" from Germany .
it is disgusting how many generations and how many countries across the globe will be intimidated by terrorist nuclear armed Israel.

 

[AN2]

Keef's substack on the debate (click on the link) -


View: https://t.me/keith_woods/6053

If you recall, Woods backed Reynolds (and not Barrett) in the NP coup

PS. I believe Joel is writing his own substack in response to Keef's as we speak

 

[AN2]

Nationalism Doesn't Need National Socialism

Response to Joel Davis

keithwoods.pub

First off, Joel says not identifying as a National Socialist requires “compromises upon racial loyalism”. I think it’s quite the opposite. National Socialism was not a generic “pro-White” movement, but a German chauvinist movement bound up with Nordicist racial theory. Central to its project was the planned ethnic cleansing of tens of millions of Slavs, and the destruction of White countries like Poland, Ukraine and Russia. This is not some Hollywood meme history. Hitler expresses his desire to establish lebensraum in the East in Mein Kampf, in his unpublished Second Book, and in his Table Talks. In the Table Talks, Hitler expresses his desire to keep the population of Russia, capable of nothing but “hard work under coercion”, just literate enough to read road signs and serve the German occupiers. He says his plan is to make southern Ukraine “an exclusively German colony”.

 

[Hermit]

Democracy has failed us to the point where Irish people and white people may become extinct. If national socialism is what it takes to save us, then we should consider it. Here is a good essay about the key principles of NS, a few minor details I disagree with but most of it sounds good to me: https://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/v1/index205.htm

 

[AN2]

Democracy has failed us to the point where Irish people and white people may become extinct. If national socialism is what it takes to save us, then we should consider it. Here is a good essay about the key principles of NS, a few minor details I disagree with but most of it sounds good to me: https://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/v1/index205.htm

What do you think about rehabilitating National Socialism a la 'Hitlerism'?

 

[Hermit]

What do you think about rehabilitating National Socialism a la 'Hitlerism'?

If 'Hitlerism' means invading other countries and flexing racial superiority or something like that, then no. Let's take the positive things about NS and drop the negative.

 

[AN2]

If 'Hitlerism' means invading other countries and flexing racial superiority or something like that, then no. Let's take the positive things about NS and drop the negative.

Fair enough and I would of course agree with you

Just to be clear, the originator of this debate is Joel Davis who, by definition is literally a neo-Nazi as he is a member of the NSN in Australia

 

[Hermit]

Just to be clear, the originator of this debate is Joel Davis who, by definition is literally a neo-Nazi as he is a member of the NSN in Australia

I'm not too familiar with him beyond a few posts you've made here, but I'm interested in hearing his response to Woods' piece which I will read later. 'Neo-Nazi' to me means degenerate attention-seeking clowns with swastika tattoos on their faces, nothing like the original German national socialists.

 

[AN2]

Nationalism Doesn't Need National Socialism

Response to Joel Davis

keithwoods.pub

The chief argument though, is that White identity is viewed as evil because of its association with the ultimate evil of National Socialism, and so only saving the latter can save the former. It is true that the moral universe of moderns is centered on the satanic archetype of Hitler and all he is associated with. It doesn’t follow though, that the answer is to convince everyone that Hitler did nothing wrong. A lot of intelligent revisionists, such as the head of the Institute for Historical Review Mark Weber, came to the conclusion that as the events of World War Two grow more distant, and the masses lose the most basic grip on the narrative — any narrative — about that war, our energies are better focused on what’s happening here and now. In the past couple of years, we’ve seen the legitimacy of Jewish Zionist power be fiercely undermined by the left, who focused on present day injustices and stepped right over the kind of special pleading for Jews that is centered on the Second World War. The mythos of WW2 that established the post-Nuremberg world order was always going to have a lifespan, and is now dying to apathy and ignorance as Hitler becomes just another historical figure like Napoleon or Genghis Khan to a generation with little sense of connection to the period.

 

[AN2]

Nationalism Doesn't Need National Socialism

Response to Joel Davis

keithwoods.pub

As for the argument that if we don’t rehabilitate National Socialism we can be associated with it in a way harmful to us, that doesn’t matter. The truth is it can simply be stepped over. Leftists have overdone calling everything Nazism to the point of exhaustion, and the dividing lines between nationalists and conservatives are eroding as conservatives are regularly exposed to nationalist arguments from popular commentators, like the defence of White nationalism recently offered by Tucker Carlson to his millions of viewers.

 

[jpc]

What do you think about rehabilitating National Socialism a la 'Hitlerism'?

It's primary feature was to blame the innocent for the transgressions of the rich and connected.
All about hate as the solution.
Deflection!

 

[AN2]

Nationalism Doesn't Need National Socialism

Response to Joel Davis

keithwoods.pub

I don’t see any principle unique to National Socialism that Europeans need to survive and thrive today. As I said, many Eastern European countries have had successful national populist movements that repudiated National Socialism. Every White nation has their own national story and heroes that can be harnessed to these ends. For me as an Irish nationalist, the vision of a comprehensive national idea can be found in our own tradition from the mouths of our own people, in a nationalist movement that predates German National Socialism and is not foreign to us. What did Pearse, Griffith or Mitchel not see that Hitler or Rosenberg did? (To be fair to Joel Davis, he claims to speak only in an Anglosphere context, but there are others who make the same argument for all White countries.)

 

[AN2]

View: https://t.me/ZisblattsDiamonds/736

 

[Hermit]

Keef's substack on the debate (click on the link) -


View: https://t.me/keith_woods/6053

If you recall, Woods backed Reynolds (and not Barrett) in the NP coup

PS. I believe Joel is writing his own substack in response to Keef's as we speak

Woods said "there is really nothing especially novel from National Socialism that nationalist movements need today" which makes we wonder does he know what NS actually is, or did he simply forget about the difference between a parliamentary system of government with elections and a dictatorship system with no parties or elections. One of the problems with our parliamentary system is that even if we were to succeed in electing a nationalist government, it would have a limited 5-year term maximum after which a libtard FF/FG/SF government could be re-elected and undo the work of the nationalist government. A nationalist government would struggle to actually get things done when there is always an opposition. With national socialism, FF/FG/SF and the whole libtard gombeen pothole politics would cease to exist.

Joel Davis has posted his response which is a comprehensive refutation of Woods' claim that nationalism doesn't need national socialism.

Why Nationalism Needs National Socialism

Response to Keith Woods

joeldavis.substack.com

It is simply not possible to create a form of nationalism which liberalism can tolerate without sanitizing it of all revolutionary and exclusionary tendencies to the point of rendering it impotent. There can be no nationalism without racism, and there can be no nationalism without mass expulsions, not anywhere where liberalism has already cultivated demographic heterogeneity for any extended period of time. Reversing this, liberalism cannot tolerate.

Keith’s claim that National Socialism’s only defining feature is “German chauvinism” is laughably ridiculous. National Socialism very clearly embraced dictatorship in repudiation of parliamentarianism, revolution against reformism, the stripping of citizenship from all non-Germans, the nationalisation of finance, autarkic militarism, the most radical eugenics program in political history, a comprehensive project of cultural renewal according to ‘Volkisch’ principles and Aryan ideals, the criminalisation of freemasonry, the total eradication of organised Marxism, the total subordination of the individual to the nation, and the total exclusion of Jews from public life.

Without rehabilitating National Socialism and bringing these elements back into its arsenal, nationalism will remain cucked by liberalism until there are no longer any White nations to save.

 

[AN2]

Woods said "there is really nothing especially novel from National Socialism that nationalist movements need today" which makes we wonder does he know what NS actually is, or did he simply forget about the difference between a parliamentary system of government with elections and a dictatorship system with no parties or elections. One of the problems with our parliamentary system is that even if we were to succeed in electing a nationalist government, it would have a limited 5-year term maximum after which a libtard FF/FG/SF government could be re-elected and undo the work of the nationalist government. A nationalist government would struggle to actually get things done when there is always an opposition. With national socialism, FF/FG/SF and the whole libtard gombeen pothole politics would cease to exist.

Joel Davis has posted his response which is a comprehensive refutation of Woods' claim that nationalism doesn't need national socialism.

Why Nationalism Needs National Socialism

Response to Keith Woods

joeldavis.substack.com

'Ethnonationalism’ is a redundant term, anyone who knows what nationalism truly means knows ethnonationalism means exactly the same thing. The reason we need to even use the term ‘ethnonationalism’ today is only because of the great violence done to the term ‘nationalism’ by liberals who seek to disingenuously strip it off its exclusionary and racialist connotations to make it compatible with the post-WW2 paradigm of liberalism.

 

[AN2]

The chief argument though, is that White identity is viewed as evil because of its association with the ultimate evil of National Socialism, and so only saving the latter can save the former. It is true that the moral universe of moderns is centered on the satanic archetype of Hitler and all he is associated with. It doesn’t follow though, that the answer is to convince everyone that Hitler did nothing wrong. A lot of intelligent revisionists, such as the head of the Institute for Historical Review Mark Weber, came to the conclusion that as the events of World War Two grow more distant, and the masses lose the most basic grip on the narrative — any narrative — about that war, our energies are better focused on what’s happening here and now. In the past couple of years, we’ve seen the legitimacy of Jewish Zionist power be fiercely undermined by the left, who focused on present day injustices and stepped right over the kind of special pleading for Jews that is centered on the Second World War. The mythos of WW2 that established the post-Nuremberg world order was always going to have a lifespan, and is now dying to apathy and ignorance as Hitler becomes just another historical figure like Napoleon or Genghis Khan to a generation with little sense of connection to the period.

I notice that Joel included from the quote I posted above in his appendix for a couple of quotes from Keith’s essay that he found particularly objectionable

Keef:

”In the past couple of years, we’ve seen the legitimacy of Jewish Zionist power be fiercely undermined by the left, who focused on present day injustices and stepped right over the kind of special pleading for Jews that is centered on the Second World War. The mythos of WW2 that established the post-Nuremberg world order was always going to have a lifespan, and is now dying to apathy and ignorance as Hitler becomes just another historical figure like Napoleon or Genghis Khan to a generation with little sense of connection to the period.”

Joel:

I mean this is just ridiculous. Leftists have been anti-Zionist for decades, this is nothing new. Moreover, these leftists typically equate Zionism with National Socialism in their moral condemnation of the state of Israel and its policies. Leftists don’t condemn Zionism because the WW2 mythos is wearing off, they condemn Zionism precisely because it contradicts the anti-nationalist ideology of the post-WW2 liberal international order.

Why Nationalism Needs National Socialism

Response to Keith Woods

joeldavis.substack.com

 

[AN2]

What's that, CET = GMT+1, right? So 10pm our time?


View: https://t.me/keith_woods/6077

Be there..

 

[it_is_what_it_is]

I seen this of late between the two, and honestly I wasn't bothered reading their walls of text on it. I am getting tired of the two, and many others at this point. I will listen to this when I get a chance, the only think I could find that was between the two directly of late on it. But I did not spend a lot of time looking such up, and this has fuck all views.

I can nearly guarantee by chance of life, that I'm the only person here in this thread that has met both Joel and Keith in person, I would be incredibly surprised otherwise. I like Joel, but he is in a messed up situation regards the reality of what Australia is, and it's history. I hope the best for him, but his path is not the Irish path, It is a messed up Brit quagmire that they are trying to unfuck, where he is pushing a direction of thinking, and doing such with others with incredible heart, where they are ending up in prison for voicing their path. They are trying to help the spastic masses in his country from deleting themselves and their own direct blood lines, as in the general peoples of that continent that made that continent a thing in reality. I hope he and his followers do well, where he is pushing the overton window, and who knows, they may succeed in at least pushing the masses, and politics in an anti suicide path going forward with regards his rhetoric.

Such shite does not matter a fuck here in Ireland. Who are you ? If you are not Irish in your heart, where we have our own history, that is above all others, what are ye otherwise ?. If you are of the muh hwite man gibberish, or muh mustache man, you aren't of the mindest of an Irish man, and you will fail and fall. Ye can build bridges with people a thousand miles away, but they aren't coming to save you when they have their own mess to handle, are ye stupid, obvious is obvious, let alone are ye thinking like an Irish man.

The jews in the 1930/40's took what the Irish did against the Brits as core to their bombing campaigns and killings of the time, many other ethnic groups did against the brits, where the jews also took issue with us for not thinking that such was great in the follow up, with the fact that they where geocoding people from the region in the 1940's after the war, it was pure mass murder and just a mix of what the Irish are and the brit regime was in the end regards a thought process. There is an evil within those cunts that is not human, different issue.

In the end no matter what, the Irish lead the Irish in the end, where our issue is that our supposed leaders of late are either spastics or clowns at best, and it is a huge problem. Where the primary issue of the why, is that such spastics and clowns could not be where they are, without the affluence of the last 30 years. Things are too easy, and too many are happy in the short term, muh house price rising. Muh mustach man is not fixing that, it's clown tier shit when I hear such bollix, and completely alien to an Irish man.

As an aside, and I hate bringing such shite up, but our current public private partnerships shite that is going on as default with regards how contracts are given out, is core corporatism. It is something that needs to be talked on, where all these words of muh facist or nazi is nothing different to what was put out 50 years ago, meaningless buzz words, where economically we are being directed on mussolini type thought process increasingly. So what are we actually talking about here outside of buzzwords that are not in any ways reflecting reality in the now ?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

I can nearly guarantee by chance of life, that I'm the only person here in this thread that has met Joel

Joel Osteen?

 

[AN2]

I seen this of late between the two,

and honestly I wasn't bothered reading their walls of text on it. I am getting tired of the two, and many others at this point. I will listen to this when I get a chance, the only think I could find that was between the two directly of late on it. But I did not spend a lot of time looking such up, and this has fuck all views.

That's on an archive channel (with a total of 9 videos and 11 subscribers) so I wouldn't expect the video to have too many views.

When it was originally recorded between the two, I don't know but probably quite a while ago, as in years. Keith and Joel did have YouTube channels before but they've both been banned.

I can nearly guarantee by chance of life, that I'm the only person here in this thread that has met both Joel and Keith in person, I would be incredibly surprised otherwise. I like Joel, but he is in a messed up situation regards the reality of what Australia is, and it's history.

I think Joel is aware of what Australia is and its history, as he's often been at pains to point out

I hope the best for him, but his path is not the Irish path, It is a messed up Brit quagmire that they are trying to unfuck, where he is pushing a direction of thinking, and doing such with others with incredible heart, where they are ending up in prison for voicing their path. They are trying to help the spastic masses in his country from deleting themselves and their own direct blood lines, as in the general peoples of that continent that made that continent a thing in reality. I hope he and his followers do well, where he is pushing the overton window, and who knows, they may succeed in at least pushing the masses, and politics in an anti suicide path going forward with regards his rhetoric.

Such shite does not matter a fuck here in Ireland. Who are you ? If you are not Irish in your heart, where we have our own history, that is above all others, what are ye otherwise ?. If you are of the muh hwite man gibberish, or muh mustache man, you aren't of the mindest of an Irish man, and you will fail and fall. Ye can build bridges with people a thousand miles away, but they aren't coming to save you when they have their own mess to handle, are ye stupid, obvious is obvious, let alone are ye thinking like an Irish man.

Are you asking me? I would describe myself as an Irish white nationalist.

The jews in the 1930/40's took what the Irish did against the Brits as core to their bombing campaigns and killings of the time, many other ethnic groups did against the brits, where the jews also took issue with us for not thinking that such was great in the follow up, with the fact that they where geocoding people from the region in the 1940's after the war, it was pure mass murder and just a mix of what the Irish are and the brit regime was in the end regards a thought process. There is an evil within those cunts that is not human, different issue.

In the end no matter what, the Irish lead the Irish in the end,

Over the years I've accumulated a number of lines that I thought of and that I repeat. I had them saved on my hard drive but unfortunately I Iost that in a tsunami following an earthquake so I have to recall them from memory now. One of them was -

Ireland is a province of globalism administered by apparatchiks.

So I kind of disagree with you that Ireland is being led by the Irish.

where our issue is that our supposed leaders of late are either spastics or clowns at best, and it is a huge problem. Where the primary issue of the why, is that such spastics and clowns could not be where they are, without the affluence of the last 30 years. Things are too easy, and too many are happy in the short term, muh house price rising. Muh mustach man is not fixing that, it's clown tier shit when I hear such bollix, and completely alien to an Irish man.

As an aside, and I hate bringing such shite up, but our current public private partnerships shite that is going on as default with regards how contracts are given out, is core corporatism. It is something that needs to be talked on, where all these words of muh facist or nazi is nothing different to what was put out 50 years ago, meaningless buzz words, where economically we are being directed on mussolini type thought process increasingly.

So what are we actually talking about here outside of buzzwords that are not in any ways reflecting reality in the now ?

I have to admit that I find it hard to actually understand exactly what it is that you're talking about.

Perhaps if you can expand a little more on "muh hwite man gibberish", "muh mustache man" etc. it might help.

Or maybe you could try to better elucidate why you think that what's happening in other white countries (the exact same thing) that's happening in Ireland is completely irrelevant to Ireland, which you appear to think is the case.

 

[willows68]

Joel Osteen?

Joel Davis, Sir. With respect, do have a look at telegram.

 

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That's on an archive channel (with a total of 9 videos and 11 subscribers) so I wouldn't expect the video to have too many views.

When it was originally recorded between the two, I don't know but probably quite a while ago, as in years. Keith and Joel did have YouTube channels before but they've both been banned.


I think Joel is aware of what Australia is and its history, as he's often been at pains to point out

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Are you asking me? I would describe myself as an Irish white nationalist.



Over the years I've accumulated a number of lines that I thought of and that I repeat. I had them saved on my hard drive but unfortunately I Iost that in a tsunami following an earthquake so I have to recall them from memory now. One of them was -

Ireland is a province of globalism administered by apparatchiks.

So I kind of disagree with you that Ireland is being led by the Irish.



I have to admit that I find it hard to actually understand exactly what it is that you're talking about.

Perhaps if you can expand a little more on "muh hwite man gibberish", "muh mustache man" etc. it might help.

Or maybe you could try to better elucidate why you think that what's happening in other white countries (the exact same thing) that's happening in Ireland is completely irrelevant to Ireland, which you appear to think is the case.

I think his point is - much condensed - that we all have to fight our local national battles - but that the threat is to all of us combined. As remaining people of the white race we shouldn't infight but unite.
How many are we now? 8 to 10%?
If we were Pandas they'd be concerned.
Just my take on this fellow's post.

 

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I think his point is - much condensed - that we all have to fight our local national battles - but that the threat is to all of us combined. As remaining people of the white race we shouldn't infight but unite.
How many are we now? 8 to 10%?
If we were Pandas they'd be concerned.
Just my take on this fellow's post.

Sure, we all have to fight our own battles but I don't get the not noticing

I suppose it's different in the New World and the Old World, shall we say

The New World being nations of white settlers unlike the Old World being nations of white ethnicities. But the same thing is happening in both worlds. White genocide

 

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Muh mustach man is not fixing that, it's clown tier shit when I hear such bollix, and completely alien to an Irish man.

So what are we actually talking about here outside of buzzwords that are not in any ways reflecting reality in the now ?

This thread is about national socialism. What are the principles of national socialism that you disagree with and that are alien to an Irish man? Is it just an optics thing, Hitler is toxic therefore counter-productive to play-it-safe-don't-talk-about-the-Jews-or-racial-purity nationalism? You seem to be saying that national socialism is not Irish, therefore bad. Democracy, republicanism, parliamentarism (which have resulted in our current existential predicament) are not Irish either.

 

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