Andrew Gold Tackles The Taboo Topic Of Race Realism

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It seems to me that they have a beef over the JQ. Cofnas (who's Jewish) saying - there's nothing to see here

 

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It seems to me that they have a beef over the JQ. Cofnas (who's Jewish) saying - there's nothing to see here

Joyce should have hit Cofnas with this clip

 

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View: https://t.me/OffgridiIreland/61799

 

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[SwordOfStZip]

<Some Obscure Yank Internet Fuckwit> Tackles The "Taboo" Topic Of <Some Sensational Political Phrase That Some Other Group of Obscure Yank Internet Fuckwits Invented>​

He an English Jew who used to work in the BBC but left because they didn't allow him to be as chauvinist as he wanted to be and not some Yank. I think he is an awful creature BUT he has had the former Prime Minister of the UK Liz Truss on his show which argues against him being obscure.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA17ma1SyZ0

 

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<Some Obscure Yank Internet Fuckwit> Tackles The "Taboo" Topic Of <Some Sensational Political Phrase That Some Other Group of Obscure Yank Internet Fuckwits Invented>​

You should have a fallacy named after you (and your ilk)

 

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He an English Jew who used to work in the BBC but left because they didn't allow him to be as chauvinist as he wanted to be and not some Yank.

I think he is an awful creature BUT he has had the former Prime Minister of the UK Liz Truss on his show which argues against him being obscure.

He's a Jew. Have you seriously not spotted the pattern with all of them?

 

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Re: immigration they're always the same, Jews and Jewish controlled e.g. Tommeh

Here is a video I watched the other day of a debate between Jared Taylor and Richard Hanania -


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dsfU6Rpe6nU&t=1h12m9s

Hanania argues for an hour for open borders and 'diversity', only displaying a queasiness for it when it comes to Moslems, identical to @Mods vs Roc_ers, I've seen it countless times

I've said before, Jews are divided, with some not caring how white genocide is carried out and some who want it done without Moslems

 

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As for "race denialism", assuming it means I deny race,

If you don't know what race denialism is then see the OP of this thread (there's a link at the bottom of the post)

my position is to simply "follow the science", until such point as I can develop greater insight into the question myself, if ever.

Yeah, sure it is

And actually, I have studied the question, and can find no basis to disagree with the peer reviewed scientific consensus that:

"... With the vast expansion of scientific knowledge in this century, it has become clear that human populations are not unambiguous, clearly demarcated, biologically distinct groups.

Evidence from the analysis of genetics (e.g., DNA) indicates that most physical variation, about 94%, lies within so-called racial groups. Conventional geographic “racial” groupings differ from one another only in about 6% of their genes.

So race is real. QED

It always amazes me how thick race deniers are

This means that there is greater variation within “racial” groups than between them.

And again lol

In neighboring populations there is much overlapping of genes and their phenotypic (physical) expressions. Throughout history whenever different groups have come into contact, they have interbred.

This reminds me of another stupid race denier argument, which is to cite mixed race people

The continued sharing of genetic materials has maintained all of humankind as a single species...".

Uh, yeah, we're a single species all right, different races (which can broadly be defined as subspecies)

Now, it also seems to me that if I went against the facts as science has set them out, that would leave me susceptible to such messages as I quoted you earlier.

You don't know anything about science, in fact, whenever you've opened your gob on the subject you've made a fool of yourself

I've never actually seen anyone make a coherent argument with what you've copy pasted (which is hardly news to me) to deny the biological reality of race or explain why the differences between races are essentially meaningless. It's a sort of pseudoscience to appeal to anti-white thickos like you

But Jambo, if you have something to offer, beyond white supremacist catch phrases, let's hear it. For example, can you refute what is set out in this book, and if so, lead us through your argument.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Real-Race-Sourcebook-Culture/dp/0759122733

Oh look, an anthropologist (Marxist) race denier got a book published therefore race isn't real

Book Talk with the Authors of How Real is Race? – Washington Square: The Stories of San Jose State University

blogs.sjsu.edu

I seriously doubt you can. All you have at the end of the day Jambo are the catchcries set out in that bugs buddy website,

whether you got them direct, or channeled through Morgoth, Reece and Woods.

Would you ever give over with your (Gowl inspired) empty-headed nonsense

For that, you're not a serious person. At all. No one could possibly take you seriously, Jambo. You're a joke, Jambo. A bad, racist, little Nazi joke, probably IRL along the same lines as your most favourite politician on this little rock we call home, Herr Justin B. Garrotte (he of the nooses to asphyxiate the gays).

There's actually somewhat of an interesting debate going on at the moment in nationalist circles about nationalism and neo-Nazism, might be worth a thread

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Whoop-de-do. Do let us know what comes out of that "interesting debate".

Not.

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(De far roight up the Dublin mountains recently having lots of "interesting debates" and a bit of military and fighting training.)

Not always but regularly enough wisdom comes with age and also bonding the land, allowing the ether of the soil to nurture you, is something important in many ways. That photograph is not the "gotcha" that you think it is.

 

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Whoop-de-do. Do let us know what comes out of that "interesting debate".

Yeah, interesting debate, as in what adults (who aren't intellectually challenged) do

You wouldn't know anything about it

Not.

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(De far roight up the Dublin mountains recently having lots of "interesting debates" and a bit of military and fighting training.)

 

[SwordOfStZip]

There's actually somewhat of an interesting debate going on at the moment in nationalist circles about nationalism and neo-Nazism, might be worth a thread

I don't follow ethno-Nationalism nearly as much as I used to but that piqued by interest, can you link to any of these discussions that doesn't involve Telegram (I am afraid if I join it I will become more glued to the phone and the laptop than I am already).

 

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I don't follow ethno-Nationalism nearly as much as I used to but that piqued by interest, can you link to any of these discussions that doesn't involve Telegram (I am afraid if I join it I will become more glued to the phone and the laptop than I am already).

lol Okay

Em, unfortunately not really, it's mostly on Telegram (that I've seen it), Woods did a substack about it.

I'll start a thread on it in a bit, I think it's interesting and it's something that I've been questioning myself. The OP might be a bit minimal as I'm feeling a little lackadaisical at the mo

 

[SwordOfStZip]

lol Okay

Em, unfortunately not really, it's mostly on Telegram (that I've seen it), Woods did a substack about it.

I'll start a thread on it in a bit, I think it's interesting and it's something that I've been questioning myself. The OP might be a bit minimal as I'm feeling a little lackadaisical at the mo

What does the term "Neo-Nazi" mean to you?

 

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What does the term "Neo-Nazi" mean to you?

Not a member of the NSDAP (in fairness there aren't any) but nonetheless would think of themself as a National Socialist or a Hitlerite etc.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Well, the first step would be to decide on a definition for the term, and google tells me Neo nazis are goons who seek to revive and reinstate Nazi ideology.

Now Jambo wants to revive and reinstate Nazi race science, just an alleged new and improved new version of it, does he not?

No he doesn't. Actual Nazi race science was a lot more nuanced and holistic than the "race realism" of people like Richard Lynn and Nathan Cofnas which is what Jambo appears to draw on. I am reading the below book at the moment which was written by a Sabra and I would recommend it to others.

The Metaphysics of Race: Science and Faith in the Nazi Worldview

This book seeks to reframe debates on the conflicting scientific and spiritual traditions that underpinned the Nazi worldview, showing how despite the multitude of tensions and rivals among its adherents, it provided a coherent conceptual grid and possessed its own philosophical consistency...

www.routledge.com

 

[SwordOfStZip]

And obviously his latest online boyfriend who he has been lately going around holding hands with would sell his Grandmother to a harem to see the Jews again in the extermination camps.

You are paraphrasing there an extremely nasty Italian anti-Muslim bigot. While I do believe that people like Gideon Falter are highly problematic I am opposed to anti-Jewish anti-Semitism as such. I asked what your end game was as regards Palestine and now we know it- and this is a thing, people will point to that and argue from that that the bile you push against people like Jambo means that you also want to destroy non-Jewish European groups. Also please at least try to behave here as you behave on P.ie and not worse. If there was as much anti-Jewish stuff being pushed in the West as there is anti-Russian and anti-Muslim stuff I really wonder how you would react.

 

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Well, the first step would be to decide on a definition for the term, and google tells me Neo nazis are goons who seek to revive and reinstate Nazi ideology.

Now google the definition of white supremacy

Now Jambo wants to revive and reinstate Nazi race science, just an alleged new and improved new version of it, does he not?

I think it's important that people know the truth about race, especially white people

If white people knew the truth about race then they might realise that they're not interchangeable with other populations, anti-white discrimination (a la DEI) wouldn't be tolerated which would prevent the lowering of standards (good for everybody), disproportionate levels of crime would be blamed at source etc.

And obviously his latest online boyfriend who he has been lately going around holding hands with would sell his Grandmother to a harem to see the Jews again in the extermination camps.

So the point being, should the forum allow two neo nazis to have an "intellectual debate" about it?

In the exact same way, would you consider that two paedophiles be given a platform to have an extended "intellectual debate" between themselves?

That that should be the natural order of things around here?

And no doubt they would be referencing other paedophiles, maybe even groups of them who go up the mountains to get training about how to be a better paedophile and have "intellectual debates" about it.

Or are these type of "intellectual debates" desirable in the name of "free speech"?

Whereas obviously their function is to promote neo Nazism and paedophilia, respectively.

I say give both groups short shrift, Jambo and his boyfriend Zippydick included.

Regarding nationalism and Nazism, I started a thread on it -

Thread 'Does Nationalism Need National Socialism?' https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com/threads/does-nationalism-need-national-socialism.1185/

I have not given my own opinion on it yet, I think it's better not to do so in one's own OP, so keep your powder dry

 

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No he doesn't. Actual Nazi race science was a lot more nuanced and holistic

True

than the "race realism" of people like Richard Lynn and Nathan Cofnas which is what Jambo appears to draw on.

Well, I draw on reality

I hadn't heard of Cofnas until recently (basically the date of the OP)

I did have a look at the/his spat with Joyce albeit not meticulously but I didn't see anything to do with race realism

No, I think it was more to do with the JQ, Joyce arguing that Jews are overrepresented in leftism, leftism being harmful to whites, which it is

I am reading the below book at the moment which was written by a Sabra and I would recommend it to others.

The Metaphysics of Race: Science and Faith in the Nazi Worldview

This book seeks to reframe debates on the conflicting scientific and spiritual traditions that underpinned the Nazi worldview, showing how despite the multitude of tensions and rivals among its adherents, it provided a coherent conceptual grid and possessed its own philosophical consistency...

www.routledge.com

Modern-day race denialism has been very successful, including convincing people that it's scientific (trust the science bros) but if you look at the scientists who peddle it, they tend to be of the social sort, social scientists, anti-white quacks basically

Ask a real scientist in the field, for example Dawkins, and he'll tell you that race is a biological reality and the idea that it's a 'social construct' is nonsense

I actually posted a video of Dawkins (who roc somewhat reveres) saying exactly that at him (roc), so I'm somewhat surprised that he's come back with this Carol Mukhopadhyay gal (who's a full-blown race denier). But if @Mods vs Roc_ers has taught us anything it's that he has an inability to learn

 

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[Hermit]

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Similar incident from a few years ago:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFEfXXcn4vM

...found another clip while looking for that:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY7752aBdJI

 

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Well, I draw on reality

I hadn't heard of Cofnas until recently (basically the date of the OP)

Modern-day race denialism has been very successful, including convincing people that it's scientific (trust the science bros) but if you look at the scientists who peddle it, they tend to be of the social sort, social scientists, anti-white quacks basically

Ask a real scientist in the field, for example Dawkins, and he'll tell you that race is a biological reality and the idea that it's a 'social construct' is nonsense

I actually posted a video of Dawkins (who roc somewhat reveres) saying exactly that at him (roc), so I'm somewhat surprised that he's come back with this Carol Mukhopadhyay gal (who's a full-blown race denier). But if @Mods vs Roc_ers has taught us anything it's that he has an inability to learn

Seconds Out - Round Umpteen!

So it's hardly a surprise that roc scurried away to start a thread elsewhere dedicated to yours truly rather than answer me here..

Now while not being the sharpest knife in the drawer by any means, Jambo is no where near the level of stupidity many of them on Arsefield's are.

But he has an almost complete absence of discernment. A complete inability to judge when does a difference make a difference.

For example he hears Dawkins say that there are measurable differences between races.

I hear Dawkins say that race is a biological reality (and that the idea of it being a social construct, as per your dogma, is "nonsense")

He goes, "whoopee". My slogans are right. Now join me as an idiot white supremacist, and chant with me, "race is real", etc.

Believing the truth about race is not "white supremacy"

But he doesn't hear Dawkins say that it makes no difference.

I don't hear the voices in your head, you mean

Which he is in fact at pains to say and make clear.

That when you put those differences beside the much, much more substantial differences within the traditionally viewed conspicuous "races", there is no basis to claim that these much less substantial differences vindicate racist ideology.

What "racist ideology"?

Jambo is apparently unable to hear the whole sentence, he only hears the first part of it. If he does hear the second part, he appears incapable of understanding it.

I told you, I don't hear the voices in your head

So stupidity is definiely a big part of it.

Pro Tip: If you're going to call someone else stupid be sure to not make any basic spelling mistakes in your (nine word) sentence

Here is what Dawkins says on race (which doesn't include the voices roc hears in his head) that I've already posted at him although he probably didn't watch it as he's the Soapbox Dunce

Click play and you need only listen for a minute or two -


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d6SQ3mXzZeI&t=1m49s

 

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I've never actually known anyone to make a coherent argument with what you've copy pasted (which is hardly news to me) to deny the biological reality of race or explain why the differences between races are essentially meaningless. It's a sort of pseudoscience to appeal to anti-white thickos like you

lol Oh my God..

EVEN though I haven't read the dead site since around this time last year, I just read this by the Soapbox Dunce (roc), it never ends with this anti-white Jew weirdo..

He says -

"Dawkin [sic] explain [sic] after he had acknowledged a difference in genetic codes between races that since those differences are so much less than the differences observed within the pre-genetics conceived "races", that it makes no real difference as compared to the substantial differences that exist between people, whatever their skin colour or "race" etc."

The part highlighted in bold is the voice roc hears in his head, Dawkins says no such thing.

I first encountered this trope by race deniers donkey's years ago, before I even posted on Irish political fora (when I was in White Nationalism school)

I'll tell you what though, roc does kinda (single-handedly) destroy the myth of a supposedly high average Ashkenazi Jewish IQ, the guy's a complete dunce

 

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lofl.. roc is now whining that I left out the "as compared to" part of his sentence..

It DOESN'T matter

As I said, this IS the voice roc hears in his head -

"that it makes no real difference"

roc is a race denier

 

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Reminder: (((roc))) actually believes this (or he regularly hauls it out from his arsenal of anti-white propaganda)

 

[clarke-connolly]

Reminder: (((roc))) actually believes this (or he regularly hauls it out from his arsenal of anti-white propaganda)

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But they can't build Africa ? !

 

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But they can't build Africa ? !

And the pyramids! -


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VieI_yLmQkI

 

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View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MsCbHwZn3qE

 

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View: https://t.me/ihypocritical/13696

 

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[Donald J Trump]

AT about an hour long the video may be about an hour too long for @Myles O'Reilly but I think it's a good candidate for watching at an increased playback speed (Andrew's guest is a rather slow speaker)

Description (YouTube)
Nathan Cofnas is a Fellow in the Faculty of Philosophy at the University of Cambridge who works in the philosophy of biology. He discusses why IQ is important for understand [sic] intelligence differences in race, and helps us understand which races do better. Some of his findings about black people in the UK and the problems Jews have is fascinating. #antiwoke #iq #intelligence


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BvxZZ4fUHp0

Race denialism - Metapedia

en.metapedia.org

Might be worth watching at 1.5x speed, yeah—it has that slow, “measured” delivery that can come off as deliberate or just plodding, depending on your patience.

That said, there’s a broader issue with these kinds of discussions. A lot of this stuff—especially when it dives into race and IQ—ends up walking a really fine line between scientific inquiry and ideological agenda. People like Cofnas might frame it as “just the data,” but in practice it often feeds directly into online ecosystems that push racial essentialism or even soft eugenics.

It’s one thing to talk about population-level trends in a responsible, cautious way. It’s another to let it bleed into sweeping claims about which “races do better” or why certain groups “fail.” That’s when it stops being science and starts becoming fuel for dog-whistling or outright supremacist narratives.

Just because someone is from Cambridge or uses a philosophical framework doesn’t automatically mean their conclusions aren’t being misused—or that they aren’t stretching the data to fit an agenda.

 

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Might be worth watching at 1.5x speed, yeah—it has that slow, “measured” delivery that can come off as deliberate or just plodding, depending on your patience.

That said, there’s a broader issue with these kinds of discussions. A lot of this stuff—especially when it dives into race and IQ—ends up walking a really fine line between scientific inquiry and ideological agenda. People like Cofnas might frame it as “just the data,” but in practice it often feeds directly into online ecosystems that push racial essentialism or even soft eugenics.

It’s one thing to talk about population-level trends in a responsible, cautious way. It’s another to let it bleed into sweeping claims about which “races do better” or why certain groups “fail.” That’s when it stops being science and starts becoming fuel for dog-whistling or outright supremacist narratives.

Just because someone is from Cambridge or uses a philosophical framework doesn’t automatically mean their conclusions aren’t being misused—or that they aren’t stretching the data to fit an agenda.

Donald J,

Can you further clarify in what way your post above is a compelling argument to not believe the truth about race?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

I read that during the 70's Irish people had an IQ of 85.

We were so stupid we were on a par with American Negros (and we know what they did to the once beautiful city of Detroit).

Is it any wonder our economy was a basket case with our frontal lobes so underdeveloped.

 

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I read that during the 70's Irish people had an IQ of 85.

Cite (or it never happened)

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

His basis for this view was a study by MacNamara (1966) which “. . . found the Irish to have IQs which were not very different from those observed in American negroes, and far below comparable English samples”

Irish IQ: The Massive Rise That Never Happened – Russell T. Warne

 

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His basis for this view was a study by MacNamara (1966) which “. . . found the Irish to have IQs which were not very different from those observed in American negroes, and far below comparable English samples”

Irish IQ: The Massive Rise That Never Happened – Russell T. Warne

I think Lynn is/was (is he dead?) a somewhat accursed figure when it comes to the Irish and race realism. Anyone who seems to know anything about the subject seems to be aware of his eh, less than complimentary views on the Irish

In fact, I couldn't help but notice that Golah said recently that he was a racist

Which made me a little curious, does she think that he's a "racist" because he's a race realist, or anti-Irish? Perhaps @SwordOfStZip could clarify..

 

[Fishalt]

@James would you be pro-immigration if, or more accurately pro an immigration system whereby immigrants were granted citizenship on the basis of I.Q score?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

He wasn't anti-Irish. He just observed discrepancies in IQ between different Countries and races.

When he went to work in Trinity College he noticed how sh1t the Irish economy was and out of curiosity he asked his associate to get data on Irish IQ levels and found them to be low.

He put that down to mass emigration aka brain drain and Catholicism, where in those days the brightest tended to become Priests and Nuns and with them having no progeny it stopped the good genes passing down.

We were indeed quite thick for a period but we improved after that. Of course that brought its own set of problems.

 

[Fishalt]

He wasn't anti-Irish. He just observed discrepancies in IQ between different Countries and races.

When he went to work in Trinity College he noticed how sh1t the Irish economy was and out of curiosity he asked his associate to get data on Irish IQ levels and found them to be low.

He put that down to mass emigration aka brain drain and Catholicism, where in those days the brightest tended to become Priests and Nuns and with them having no progeny it stopped the good genes passing down.

We were indeed quite thick for a period but we improved after that. Of course that brought its own set of problems.

Brain drain due to immigration is likely legitimate, it's a selection pressure. George Orwell lamented that the decline of the English quite a lot in his early writings, describing them as dim-witted and sickly because the best of the breed had been sent en masse to die in the Flander's mud.

 

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@James would you be pro-immigration if, or more accurately pro an immigration system whereby immigrants were granted citizenship on the basis of I.Q score?

lol Absolutely not