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Part 1:
A lot of propaganda and false inferences have been made about the events of the 2023 NP coup d'état/split. Some of it has been made by partisan sides in the events. Others are just wrongheaded inferences made by people who simply don't know what they're saying.
Since covid and particularly the Dublin Bay South by election, Justin changed his mind about how the NP could ever hope to "take power"
Initially he said he wanted to build up a far right party and be like Jean Marie Le Pen. Take it to a certain stage, maybe where it's won like 10% of the vote, and then hand over to a younger leader and let him take the reigns
2020 election and the 2021 by election in DBS shocked him, as the NP was much less popular than he thought.
He didn't think the party would win seats, but he thought it would be on like 5%. Instead it was on less than 1%.
Covid he was cooped up at home and started to lose touch. He moved to Longford during this time and started drinking. He'd previously been an alcoholic but he was sober for like 10 years. During Covid he went back drinking. He pretty much gave up on politics around the same time. He was being pressured by his subordinates to turn up to meetings. He wasn't setting the direction at all. He was just letting things drift.
He kept his alcohol abuse quiet until it became unbearable and it was discovered (I won't say how). There was essentially an intervention. NP top people called to his house and he was basically passed out on the floor, alone. They weened him off the alcohol and got him back on his feet.
He got off the drink and promised he'd be a changed man. That was all good and accepted, and his supporters said we'll overlook this falling off the wagon. So he went back to being NP leader as usual.
But his entire approach to politics had changed. He really saw covid as a major change, and began to feel electoral politics was just rigged. Imo this was influenced by NP failures at elections too, despite a lot of work going into them
Rather than him say "politics is rigged, it's all hopeless" he actually got more optimistic. He started to say how he'd become taoiseach in 5 years time, and started talking about plans for government like it was a realistic thing on the horizon. People started to feel he was losing touch due to this.
His idea was that there'd be an economic crash and that the NP would then sweep to power very quickly on an extreme platform, including naming the Jew.
His top supporters, who were all ideologically anti-jew and far right, said this was not realistic. He interpreted this as them being cucks and cowards. He said it was pointless holding meetings, operating the party in the usual way, etc. Instead he just wanted to wait for the economic collapse he'd predicted.
Then the ard fheis got attacked in 2022, and he took that very badly. It shook him up. He then said the NP needed to be more extreme and overtly pro-Hitler, and quoted Mein Kampf on telegram. There was a massive feeling of unhappiness within the party over this, as it was seen as politically retarded for a party aiming to win elections to be supporting Hitler like this.
His top sidekick at the time told all the unhappy party members to just suck it up and keep supporting him, but he himself also believed it was a mistake. However, Justin thought it was genius to quote Mein Kampf as it ensured the party would be seen as genuinely extreme-right rather than "populist". He felt once the collapse came, people would only want the most extreme option which meant a pro-Hitler and pro-NS party.
Some people left over this quoting Hitler controversy. But the party trundled on with this feeling things were not going well. Lads like Patrick Quinlan wanted to focus on building up a local base, running in the local elections and winning a seat for the NP. Justin just kept saying how this was pointless as soon the economy would collapse and he'd become taoiseach pretty much immediately.
In summer 2023, Justin turned against his top sidekick (who I won't dox but many of you probably know his name). The reason was ostensibly over the Rally for Life. Justin had this idea that the NP should storm the stage and grab the mic, create a big media incident. His sidekick said "no, that's retarded, we should try to be winning over these people, not antagnosing them". Justin said it was an order, and his lieutenant said "no". To Justin this was a major breach of trust, to the other guy it was a shit test and he'd had enough of it. There was growing unhappiness with Justin in the party.
This top organiser is somewhat of a cantankerous person. A lot of people in the NP somewhat feared him. But many felt he was right in this situation. They also respected that he had given a lot of his time to the party and was never paid for all his hard work. Justin wanted rid of him, and he started suggesting that he delegate his work to other people. Maybe 2 years ago this wouldve been accepted without isue, but it was felt that he was laying the foundations to fire him altogether and install a lackey.
He "dismissed" him as national organiser in July 2023 but by then the relationship had massively broken down. They weren't even talking. So Justin was left in this situation where he was nominally party leader but wasn't in control of the guy who ran the party, the website, the social media, and so on. He also didn't know who supported who in this dispute, as Justin was never in touch with the ordinary members.
A lot of propaganda and false inferences have been made about the events of the 2023 NP coup d'état/split. Some of it has been made by partisan sides in the events. Others are just wrongheaded inferences made by people who simply don't know what they're saying.
Since covid and particularly the Dublin Bay South by election, Justin changed his mind about how the NP could ever hope to "take power"
Initially he said he wanted to build up a far right party and be like Jean Marie Le Pen. Take it to a certain stage, maybe where it's won like 10% of the vote, and then hand over to a younger leader and let him take the reigns
2020 election and the 2021 by election in DBS shocked him, as the NP was much less popular than he thought.
He didn't think the party would win seats, but he thought it would be on like 5%. Instead it was on less than 1%.
Covid he was cooped up at home and started to lose touch. He moved to Longford during this time and started drinking. He'd previously been an alcoholic but he was sober for like 10 years. During Covid he went back drinking. He pretty much gave up on politics around the same time. He was being pressured by his subordinates to turn up to meetings. He wasn't setting the direction at all. He was just letting things drift.
He kept his alcohol abuse quiet until it became unbearable and it was discovered (I won't say how). There was essentially an intervention. NP top people called to his house and he was basically passed out on the floor, alone. They weened him off the alcohol and got him back on his feet.
He got off the drink and promised he'd be a changed man. That was all good and accepted, and his supporters said we'll overlook this falling off the wagon. So he went back to being NP leader as usual.
But his entire approach to politics had changed. He really saw covid as a major change, and began to feel electoral politics was just rigged. Imo this was influenced by NP failures at elections too, despite a lot of work going into them
Rather than him say "politics is rigged, it's all hopeless" he actually got more optimistic. He started to say how he'd become taoiseach in 5 years time, and started talking about plans for government like it was a realistic thing on the horizon. People started to feel he was losing touch due to this.
His idea was that there'd be an economic crash and that the NP would then sweep to power very quickly on an extreme platform, including naming the Jew.
His top supporters, who were all ideologically anti-jew and far right, said this was not realistic. He interpreted this as them being cucks and cowards. He said it was pointless holding meetings, operating the party in the usual way, etc. Instead he just wanted to wait for the economic collapse he'd predicted.
Then the ard fheis got attacked in 2022, and he took that very badly. It shook him up. He then said the NP needed to be more extreme and overtly pro-Hitler, and quoted Mein Kampf on telegram. There was a massive feeling of unhappiness within the party over this, as it was seen as politically retarded for a party aiming to win elections to be supporting Hitler like this.
His top sidekick at the time told all the unhappy party members to just suck it up and keep supporting him, but he himself also believed it was a mistake. However, Justin thought it was genius to quote Mein Kampf as it ensured the party would be seen as genuinely extreme-right rather than "populist". He felt once the collapse came, people would only want the most extreme option which meant a pro-Hitler and pro-NS party.
Some people left over this quoting Hitler controversy. But the party trundled on with this feeling things were not going well. Lads like Patrick Quinlan wanted to focus on building up a local base, running in the local elections and winning a seat for the NP. Justin just kept saying how this was pointless as soon the economy would collapse and he'd become taoiseach pretty much immediately.
In summer 2023, Justin turned against his top sidekick (who I won't dox but many of you probably know his name). The reason was ostensibly over the Rally for Life. Justin had this idea that the NP should storm the stage and grab the mic, create a big media incident. His sidekick said "no, that's retarded, we should try to be winning over these people, not antagnosing them". Justin said it was an order, and his lieutenant said "no". To Justin this was a major breach of trust, to the other guy it was a shit test and he'd had enough of it. There was growing unhappiness with Justin in the party.
This top organiser is somewhat of a cantankerous person. A lot of people in the NP somewhat feared him. But many felt he was right in this situation. They also respected that he had given a lot of his time to the party and was never paid for all his hard work. Justin wanted rid of him, and he started suggesting that he delegate his work to other people. Maybe 2 years ago this wouldve been accepted without isue, but it was felt that he was laying the foundations to fire him altogether and install a lackey.
He "dismissed" him as national organiser in July 2023 but by then the relationship had massively broken down. They weren't even talking. So Justin was left in this situation where he was nominally party leader but wasn't in control of the guy who ran the party, the website, the social media, and so on. He also didn't know who supported who in this dispute, as Justin was never in touch with the ordinary members.
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