Could Iran v Israel turn nuclear? A possible indication from the Occult/Masonic world

Diarmuid said:
Micky Martin and the EU leaders are in sunny Cyprus for two days. Isn't that a bit too close to Iranian missile range?
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What are the chances that even Iran"s bestest missile cannot penetrate von Fartface's thick skull?
 
How to actually sell a country to the warmongering jews in the EU and USA.

EU approves €90 bn Ukraine loan​

The move follows Hungary lifting its veto, while the bloc also adopted new Russia sanctions
Published 23 Apr, 2026 12:48 | Updated 23 Apr, 2026 13:50


The European Union has formally approved a €90 billion ($105 billion) emergency loan for Ukraine for 2026–2027 and adopted its 20th package of sanctions against Russia, the bloc’s presidency said on Thursday.

European Council President Antonio Costa said in a statement that increasing pressure on Russia was part of a strategy “to achieve a just and lasting peace in Ukraine.”

EU ambassadors approved the loan and sanctions package on Wednesday after Hungary lifted its veto following the election win of pro-EU politician Peter Magyar, who is slated to soon take over the government.

The controversial loan to Kiev was the focus of a months-long standoff with Hungary. Viktor Orban, the outgoing head of the Hungarian government, froze the disbursement of Ukrainian funding in retaliation for the halting of oil supplies via the Soviet-era Druzhba pipeline in January. He called it a politically motivated ploy aimed at supporting Magyar’s party in the April 12 parliamentary election.
Cypriot Finance Minister Makis Keravnos, whose country currently holds the EU presidency, said the disbursement of the funds would start “as soon as possible.”
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“Promised, delivered, implemented,” Costa said in a post on X.
European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said the EU “will move to swiftly implement on both fronts,” stepping up pressure on Russia and ramping up aid for Kiev.

EU foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas said on X that the bloc would provide Ukraine “what it needs to hold its ground.”
The approval came after Ukraine restarted the flow of Russian oil to the EU via the Druzhba pipeline under pressure from Hungary, Slovakia – heavily reliant on Russian energy – and its EU backers. Kiev had halted supplies, claiming the infrastructure was damaged by Russian strikes, an accusation Moscow dismissed as “lies.”

READ MORE: Ukraine resumes oil flow via Druzhba pipeline – Hungary

The €90 billion loan, backed by joint EU borrowing and repayable only if Kiev receives war reparations from Russia, was pushed through after plans to seize Russian sovereign assets frozen in the West failed.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova warned the funds could be misused by corrupt Ukrainian officials, while Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the EU was “digging into the pockets of its own taxpayers” to prolong the conflict.
 
I wonder do the Iranians or the Americans have to do this?:unsure:

Ukrainian press gang shoves ‘volunteer’ off roof (VIDEO)​

One of the draft enforcement officers apparently threatened to shoot the man in the legs, as heard in an eyewitness video
Published 23 Apr, 2026 15:42 | Updated 23 Apr, 2026 16:45

Ukrainian press gang shoves ‘volunteer’ off roof (VIDEO)


A draft enforcement squad in the Western Ukrainian region of Volyn has reportedly shoved an unwilling recruit off the roof of a private home where he was apparently trying to evade capture, according to local media and eyewitness footage circulating online.

The incident is said to have taken place in the village of Strymovka outside of Lutsk. Eyewitness videos depict a Territorial Recruitment Center officer demanding that a man on the roof of a single-story building get down of his own accord. The draft enforcer then addresses the onlookers who are shooting the video, saying: “Youths, we will get all of you who are filming – I’m telling you – we’ll come over to you, too… Put down your cameras!”

The conscription officer then leans a ladder against the porch roof while telling his colleague to “get the gun” and threatening to shoot the unwilling recruit in the legs.

In a separate video, the official is seen struggling with the man on the roof for some time before eventually pushing him to the ground and tumbling off the sloping surface himself. Two other draft enforcers quickly grab the man by the arms and legs and haul him away, apparently toward their vehicle waiting outside.

The Volyn Territorial Recruitment Center has confirmed that the press gang, together with police officers, was patrolling the area when they spotted a vehicle whose driver attempted to flee after seeing the officials, as quoted by local media. The authorities claimed that the man, who climbed up to the roof, then supposedly asked the draft enforcers to rescue him due to a “fear of heights.”

According to the regional Territorial Recruitment Center, the man ended up admitting to being a draft dodger and was subjected to a medical checkup in short order.

Faced with mounting losses, widespread desertion and a dearth of willing recruits in the conflict with Russia, Ukrainian draft enforcement squads have increasingly resorted to coercion and brute force to fill the ranks.
The practice, commonly known as “busification,” involves military-age men being captured on the streets, at their places of work, as well as in residential areas, then taken to recruitment centers against their will and reportedly dispatched to the front almost immediately, after only cursory training.
 
Wolf said:
How to actually sell a country to the warmongering jews in the EU and USA.

EU approves €90 bn Ukraine loan​

The move follows Hungary lifting its veto, while the bloc also adopted new Russia sanctions
Published 23 Apr, 2026 12:48 | Updated 23 Apr, 2026 13:50


The European Union has formally approved a €90 billion ($105 billion) emergency loan for Ukraine for 2026–2027 and adopted its 20th package of sanctions against Russia, the bloc’s presidency said on Thursday.

European Council President Antonio Costa said in a statement that increasing pressure on Russia was part of a strategy “to achieve a just and lasting peace in Ukraine.”

EU ambassadors approved the loan and sanctions package on Wednesday after Hungary lifted its veto following the election win of pro-EU politician Peter Magyar, who is slated to soon take over the government.

The controversial loan to Kiev was the focus of a months-long standoff with Hungary. Viktor Orban, the outgoing head of the Hungarian government, froze the disbursement of Ukrainian funding in retaliation for the halting of oil supplies via the Soviet-era Druzhba pipeline in January. He called it a politically motivated ploy aimed at supporting Magyar’s party in the April 12 parliamentary election.
Cypriot Finance Minister Makis Keravnos, whose country currently holds the EU presidency, said the disbursement of the funds would start “as soon as possible.”
EU envoys approve €90 billion for Ukraine after Hungary lifts vetoREAD MORE: EU envoys approve €90 billion for Ukraine after Hungary lifts veto

“Promised, delivered, implemented,” Costa said in a post on X.
European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said the EU “will move to swiftly implement on both fronts,” stepping up pressure on Russia and ramping up aid for Kiev.

EU foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas said on X that the bloc would provide Ukraine “what it needs to hold its ground.”
The approval came after Ukraine restarted the flow of Russian oil to the EU via the Druzhba pipeline under pressure from Hungary, Slovakia – heavily reliant on Russian energy – and its EU backers. Kiev had halted supplies, claiming the infrastructure was damaged by Russian strikes, an accusation Moscow dismissed as “lies.”

READ MORE: Ukraine resumes oil flow via Druzhba pipeline – Hungary

The €90 billion loan, backed by joint EU borrowing and repayable only if Kiev receives war reparations from Russia, was pushed through after plans to seize Russian sovereign assets frozen in the West failed.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova warned the funds could be misused by corrupt Ukrainian officials, while Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the EU was “digging into the pockets of its own taxpayers” to prolong the conflict.
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"EU approves €90 bn Ukraine loan"......You would have to launch at how the media frame this as a loan - not a hope of ever seeing a cent of that 90billion........ might as well gone into Paddy power and placed a €90 billion bet on Cape Verde to win the world cup - at least there's a chance, albeit outside chance, that could be achieved...
 
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"EU approves €90 bn Ukraine loan"......You would have to launch at how the media frame this as a loan - not a hope of ever seeing a cent of that 90billion........ might as well gone into Paddy power and placed a €90 billion bet on Cape Verde to win the world cup - at least there's a chance, albeit outside chance, that could be achieved...
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Yea, but look who owns Ukraine now....the Perverts and pedophile bankers from Tel Aviv.:sick:
 
clarke-connolly said:
Will this Save The Planet like the Greens / Other Nutters want to do ? !
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Well, it might! We could have mass starvation or widespread war and death, hence limiting human consumption. Trump could save the planet that way! True 4D chess move there.
 
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Myles O'Reilly said:
Trannyism is more important than nuclear oblivion Sir.


(Or should I say Sir/Madam/Them..........I'm not sure of your pronouns today)
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Do you have anything actually interesting to offer on this crisis?
 
Yes Sir. Its a crisis of its own making. If you only had 0.001% of people identifying as Trans and then all of a sudden half the kids in school are down with it then you have to realise its a sick societal invention.

Did you even ask your daughter why she was thinking of going Trans?
 
clarke-connolly said:
Will this Save The Planet like the Greens / Other Nutters want to do ? !
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Just another psycop. Farmers would love food prices to be based on cost of inputs but with all the subsidies, grants and the mercenary attitude of the food companies that link is somewhat blurred to say the least, so how will the cost of fertilizers play out on the supermarket shelf?

We need note that the relationship between yield and nitrogen input is not a straight line, as the amount of fertiliser increases so does the response, but as it increases further the response tails off until too much becomes toxic to the plant and yield falls back.

The question then beomes at what point along that graph does the grower set his input level in expectation of what yield and, ultimately, what profit, if any. A 10% reduction in nitrogen input will not automatically result in a 10% reduction in yield, it could be 5% or15%, there are so many other factors involved, most noticeably the weather.

Another element in all of this is that about a third of the food grown in the world is wasted, it never gets eaten, so only a minimal improvement in food usuage efficiency will compensate for a small reduction in fertiliser use.
 
Myles O'Reilly said:
Yes Sir. Its a crisis of its own making. If you only had 0.001% of people identifying as Trans and then all of a sudden half the kids in school are down with it then you have to realise its a sick societal invention.

Did you even ask your daughter why she was thinking of going Trans?
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Myles, I mean the Middle East crisis. The war. What this thread is about.
 
They love to scare us. Micky Martin claims that EU leaders are all depressed and that the coming oil-price economic crash will be worse than 1973, 1979 and some other year, ALL ROLLED INTO ONE!!!

The Hormuz thing is deliberately created so as to create a plausible excuse for energy lockdown.

How do we avoid this?

Haven, are you still in the Gulf and are the Iranians honouring the ceasefire by not lobbing missiles in your direction? If the Emir does not object to you answering....
 
Diarmuid said:
They love to scare us. Micky Martin claims that EU leaders are all depressed and that the coming oil-price economic crash will be worse than 1973, 1979 and some other year, ALL ROLLED INTO ONE!!!

The Hormuz thing is deliberately created so as to create a plausible excuse for energy lockdown.

How do we avoid this?

Haven, are you still in the Gulf and are the Iranians honouring the ceasefire by not lobbing missiles in your direction? If the Emir does not object to you answering....
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All quiet here Diarmuid.
 
Diarmuid said:
They love to scare us. Micky Martin claims that EU leaders are all depressed and that the coming oil-price economic crash will be worse than 1973, 1979 and some other year, ALL ROLLED INTO ONE!!!

The Hormuz thing is deliberately created so as to create a plausible excuse for energy lockdown.

How do we avoid this?

Haven, are you still in the Gulf and are the Iranians honouring the ceasefire by not lobbing missiles in your direction? If the Emir does not object to you answering....
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An energy shutdown will lead to the collapse of civil society. Maybe that's the aim.
 
If Haven is telling the truth, the Iran war is at least part fake. The Lebannon war sounds real.

Energy shutdown will be Covid all over again. Don't travel. Be afraid. Dissenters are dangerous.

But a lot less people will buy the lie this time.

Good news: Dan Bilzerian running for Congress against some Jewish guy in Florida on an explicity anti-Jewish platform - No more Jewish supremacy.
 
Diarmuid said:
If Haven is telling the truth, the Iran war is at least part fake. The Lebannon war sounds real.

Energy shutdown will be Covid all over again. Don't travel. Be afraid. Dissenters are dangerous.

But a lot less people will buy the lie this time.

Good news: Dan Bilzerian running for Congress against some Jewish guy in Florida on an explicity anti-Jewish platform - No more Jewish supremacy.
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Oh its not fake. Iran doesnt need to attack anymore here right now. They control the Strait and now wait to see how far they can squeeze Trump in these talks.

fortune.com

UAE in talks with U.S. for possible financial lifeline, WSJ says | Fortune

UAE Central Bank Governor Khaled Mohamed Balama raised the idea of a currency swap line with Federal Reserve and Treasury officials during meetings in Washington last week.
fortune.com fortune.com
 
Wrong. Iran needs to continue attacking the Gulf to force the Israelis to withdraw from Lebannon - and Gaza and the West Bank. The Israelis are merrily breaking the ceasefire every day of the week.

Otherwise, Iran is abandoning the Palestinians and Hezbollah, their supposed allies.

How would you assess the total damage "in your part of the Gulf"? Airport, electricity, water still working, but lots of explosions and some damaged buildings/ bases?
 
Diarmuid said:
Wrong. Iran needs to continue attacking the Gulf to force the Israelis to withdraw from Lebannon - and Gaza and the West Bank. The Israelis are merrily breaking the ceasefire every day of the week.

Otherwise, Iran is abandoning the Palestinians and Hezbollah, their supposed allies.

How would you assess the total damage "in your part of the Gulf"? Airport, electricity, water still working, but lots of explosions and some damaged buildings/ bases?
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Iran doesnt need to do anything right now. Hezbollah is not going anywhere. Israel breaking the ceasefire is a political headache for Trump as he tries to rescure something from this mess.


Iran just needs to let the pressure build.
 
Wolf said:
An energy shutdown will lead to the collapse of civil society. Maybe that's the aim.
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I too believe that is the aim. This could kill a few billion in jog time. I just wonder where it will kick in first
 
Diarmuid said:
Wrong. Iran needs to continue attacking the Gulf to force the Israelis to withdraw from Lebannon - and Gaza and the West Bank. The Israelis are merrily breaking the ceasefire every day of the week.

Otherwise, Iran is abandoning the Palestinians and Hezbollah, their supposed allies.

How would you assess the total damage "in your part of the Gulf"? Airport, electricity, water still working, but lots of explosions and some damaged buildings/ bases?
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Disagree. Iran sits tight and it only needs to survive this weekend .
 
Wolf said:
An energy shutdown will lead to the collapse of civil society. Maybe that's the aim.
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We must bear in mind that only 20% of the world's oil pass through the straits, that leaves 80% still freely available and with a pinch point in place other sources of oil will increase their production to compensate. It might not completely fill the gap but it is not as calamitous as some are trying to make out. A higher price will also reduce demand, companies like Lufthansa are cutting back their routes, we might start thinking more about pooling cars for work or not taking daily trips into town for shopping and so on.

Folk might also start asking as to where all this energy from wind and solar power is? Weren't we promised an end to oil anyway, but here we are unable to cope with a minor drop in supply despite the billions spent on alternatives. There are plenty in power who wouldn't want those sort of questions being asked.
 
Declan said:
Disagree. Iran sits tight and it only needs to survive this weekend .
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As soon as Vance sits down to negotiate, the Iranians should fire all their missiles at once, concentrating on Israel and on the Cyprus hotel where the EU leaders are.

They can just brush it off as skirmishes due to poor communication.
 
Yes Mad as Fish, they are going to talk a lot about reducing demand, hence the lockdown, close down schools, unessential industries, you will not be able to travel beyond a certain point, reduced speed limits etc etc. Its the 15 minute city net zero thing we knew was coming, but they just have this twist to it to get us there.

For example somebody said on twitter recently said that in the UN Sustainability goals, you are only allowed 1 short haul flight every 3 years, so you can see how it fits in. I saw the logo for those goals in a picture online from a school textbook recently, never mind everywhere else.

The elite have been planning this for decades, for reasons of population control, so they won't be cheated out of this drama. Remember there are mysterious fires and explosions at energy infrastructure all over the world right now.
 
scolairebocht said:
Yes Mad as Fish, they are going to talk a lot about reducing demand, hence the lockdown, close down schools, unessential industries, you will not be able to travel beyond a certain point, reduced speed limits etc etc. Its the 15 minute city net zero thing we knew was coming, but they just have this twist to it to get us there.

For example somebody said on twitter recently said that in the UN Sustainability goals, you are only allowed 1 short haul flight every 3 years, so you can see how it fits in. I saw the logo for those goals in a picture online from a school textbook recently, never mind everywhere else.

The elite have been planning this for decades, for reasons of population control, so they won't be cheated out of this drama. Remember there are mysterious fires and explosions at energy infrastructure all over the world right now.
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Just on that point about oil refineries bursting into flames, this from David Blackmon's substack -

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5 Big Energy Stories - 4.23.2026: Y'all Calm Down

X and other social media platforms have been filled in recent days with viral videos of refineries around the world going up in smoke, with the posters commenting that it’s all a result of a nefarious global conspiracy to exacerbate the loss of supply from the Middle East.
blackmon.substack.com blackmon.substack.com
 
scolairebocht said:
Yes Mad as Fish, they are going to talk a lot about reducing demand, hence the lockdown, close down schools, unessential industries, you will not be able to travel beyond a certain point, reduced speed limits etc etc. Its the 15 minute city net zero thing we knew was coming, but they just have this twist to it to get us there.
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I think you're scaremongering Bocht.
 
scolairebocht said:
Yes Mad as Fish, they are going to talk a lot about reducing demand, hence the lockdown, close down schools, unessential industries, you will not be able to travel beyond a certain point, reduced speed limits etc etc. Its the 15 minute city net zero thing we knew was coming, but they just have this twist to it to get us there.

For example somebody said on twitter recently said that in the UN Sustainability goals, you are only allowed 1 short haul flight every 3 years, so you can see how it fits in. I saw the logo for those goals in a picture online from a school textbook recently, never mind everywhere else.

The elite have been planning this for decades, for reasons of population control, so they won't be cheated out of this drama. Remember there are mysterious fires and explosions at energy infrastructure all over the world right now.
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Yeah this is total bollox.

The gov will "advise" on reducing demand alright, which will be like pissing on a refinery fire.

Demand will reduce only on price increases.
The West wont have a shortage as such, its just going get expensive.We are going to outbid poorer counties in Asia and Africa who will then have physically have much less fuel available to them. Even a short term shortage of jet fuel in Europe will eventually be reversed by buying shipments that would have gone to other parts of the world.
 
There's a lad like Pervert in our equestrian yard.
He always disagrees and takes the contrarian view to everything and everyone.
Everyone says he's a sad little gobshite.😊
 

Round 4​

It appears the Epstein Alliance has finished resupplying and reloading and is going to take its fourth crack at Iran since last summer. It will be interesting to discover which side has made more profitable use of the latest ceasefire.
The Trump administration is setting the stage to renew its attack on Iran. White House spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt said on Friday that the “Iranians reached out” and requested an “in-person meeting,” so President Trump “dispatched Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner to go hear what they have to say.” This is a complete fabrication.
Iran wasted no time in destroying that claim. Iran’s Foreign Ministry Spokesman, Ismael Baqaei, confirmed in a post on X late on the 24th that NO meeting — I repeat, NO meeting — is planned with US officials. Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi is in Islamabad to meet with high-level Pakistani officials in order to give them a written document with Iran’s views on recent developments, which will be delivered to Witkoff and Kushner.
I think that Trump is trying to create a narrative to justify renewing the US and Israeli attack on Iran. He is sending his Jewish emissaries to Islamabad ostensibly to meet with Iranian negotiators only to discover that Iran allegedly bailed out. Trump will claim this is an act of bad faith and is going to punish Iran accordingly.
If the following posts on Telegram are true, then the war will be back in its full fury by Sunday night:
  • China urges its citizens to leave Iran as soon as possible – Chinese Embassy in Tehran
  • India urges its citizens to leave Iran.
It also appears that Trump gave Bibi permission to trash the ceasefire with Hezbollah, according to another recent Telegram post: The Israeli Air Force resumed strikes on southern Lebanon, a moratorium on which was part of the ceasefire between the US and Iran.
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I see absolutely no likelihood that the fourth round of attacks will be any more successful than the previous three rounds. And I am half-convinced that the main reason the Iranians haven’t seriously tried to sink the US carriers is because they wanted to get as many of them in the kill zone as possible before they target them.
The missile-attrition angle is objectively part of Iran’s strategic logic, whether Iran planned the current concentration or merely benefits from it. The cost-exchange ratio is brutal: Iranian ballistic missiles at ~$100K–$1M per unit against SM-3 Block IIA interceptors at ~$27M, with US production rates for the high-end interceptors in the low dozens per year. THAAD and SM-6 stocks have been drawn down hard across the 2024 Houthi engagements, the 2025 Twelve-Day War, and now six weeks of sustained interception. The US cannot replenish at engagement tempo. Every additional carrier group in theater is another defensive perimeter consuming from the same finite magazine, which inverts the usual logic of concentration — more carriers means each individual carrier’s defensive budget shrinks, not grows.
Hence the parallel to the Sicilian Expedition.
Athens projected decisive naval power into confined waters far from home. The initial campaign achieved tactical effects without strategic decision. Nicias’s letter warned that the fleet was degrading and Athens should either withdraw or massively reinforce — Athens chose reinforcement. Syracuse, backed by a major-power ally (Sparta, via Gylippus), had turned the Great Harbor into a kill box by the time Demosthenes arrived. The concentration created by reinforcement was precisely what made the trap work. The hegemon was effectively broken by one engagement in waters it could not leave gracefully.
Current situation: six-week campaign destroyed Iranian nuclear and leadership targets without producing strategic capitulation. Hormuz closed. Ford already past normal deployment length per CNN. Decision to reinforce with third carrier rather than withdraw. Russia and China providing ISR (satellite kill-chain support against mobile naval targets is the classic gap in Iran’s capabilities, and closing that gap is exactly what a major-power ally would provide). Hormuz is the Great Harbor.
Iranian strategic writing, drawing on both Islamic precedent and Sun Tzu-adjacent thinking via Chinese military exchange, explicitly privileges sabr and drawing the adversary onto defender-favorable terrain. Accepting the ceasefire while continuing Hormuz harassment fits patient-ambusher doctrine cleanly: conserve offensive munitions, probe defenses, keep the kill chain warm, let the hegemon commit further.
What would falsify it: Iran escalating to maximalist Hormuz action before the third carrier is fully in position, i.e. before the bait is fully set. What would confirm it: a period of continued attritional pressure — commercial shipping incidents, minelaying indicators, drone-boat probes — while the high-end anti-ship inventory (submarines, ASBM regiments, smart mines) remains conspicuously unused until the US force posture maximally exposes it.
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