Abortion: Killing babies for fun, profit, spite and spiritual growth

There are many possible reasons given for in-womb-baby-killing, but the human sacrifice aspect seems to be the real driver.

That's why you have the witches, the socialists, the jews all dancing the abortion jig at Dublin Castle. It's easy to picture Micky Mongrel Martin, Slimy Simon Hooknose Harris, Hindu Leo Queen of the Thuggees and their wives and sex partners participating in a human sacrifice. Not making any allegations, of course.

Of course, the vast majority of women and men who kill their own babies are not aware of this at all. How do we get the message out there?
 
Questions about John McGuirk and his role in the pro-life side of the abortion referendum.

He is quoted as saying that he was "relieved" at the big margin of defeat. If it was a small margin, they would have wondered if it was their fault -if they had campaigned a bit harder , perhaps they could have won. A strange attitude to take.

Also, it seems that he never once raised the possibility that the result was rigged. The second Lisbon referendum saw a uniform percentage swing in every constituency, a remarkable coincidence if the result was real. Allegations of rigging have been made for many years, so it was reasonable to make it in the abortion referendum.

A remarkable detail in the book about the Irish pro-life movement said that the abortion enthusiasts campaign was very slow to start and was not particularly busy on the ground. That is not the attitude you would expect from people keen to win an honest referendum.

It is the attitude of people who know that the result will be rigged, so there's no need to put too much effort into it.

A woman in Sligo told me that when her daughter went to vote, the evil civil servant in the polling station said to her: "You're young. You'll vote the right way" and gave her a bunch of ballot papers. But it is supposed to be one person, one ballot paper.

Anyone else got any abortion referendum rigging anecdotes they would like to share?
 
Diarmuid said:
There are many possible reasons given for in-womb-baby-killing, but the human sacrifice aspect seems to be the real driver.

That's why you have the witches, the socialists, the jews all dancing the abortion jig at Dublin Castle. It's easy to picture Micky Mongrel Martin, Slimy Simon Hooknose Harris, Hindu Leo Queen of the Thuggees and their wives and sex partners participating in a human sacrifice. Not making any allegations, of course.

Of course, the vast majority of women and men who kill their own babies are not aware of this at all. How do we get the message out there?
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Dont think too many women are getting abortions or would stop getting one based on their knowledge of what the political establishment say, think or do. They know they are killing a life, they do it anyway. Do they even have a better nature that could appealed too?
 
SeekTheFairLand said:
They know they are killing a life, they do it anyway. Do they even have a better nature that could appealed too?
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Women are heavily influenced by groupthink. The ladies I had abortion dealings with are good people, on the whole.

How do we change the groupthink?

But they have their jealous girlfriends encouraging them to do the deed and the doc/pharmacist plays his/her role in seducing them into it. It's not personal for the abortionist, it's strictly business.

Frederick Forsyth had a very funny story of handsome ski instructors in the Swiss Alps deliberately getting rich girls pregnant and getting a percentage kickback from the abortion doctor.

The Negro students in Sligo Institute of Technology seem to be on a similar scam with the anonymous - but presumably darkie - abortionists in Sligo Hospital.

If it wasn't so tragic it would be funny.

Women are notorious for betraying their friends and reducing their value on the sexual marketplace. Abortion reduces a woman's value, so her own friends will be encouraging her to kill her baby.

Most women are actually not aware of how quickly the baby develops: at three months it's a fully a baby, though very tiny. The blob/lizard stage is very short. At two months it is very recognizably a baby.

I doubt that any woman who has an abortion is aware that she is quadrupling her risk of death versus giving birth. Actual devil worshipping gals excluded, of course. I think that is the key information we need to promote.

Spite is a big motivation for ladies to kill their babies, but I'm not sure how to deal with that. Spite towards their "partner", men in general, Christianity, etc, etc.
 
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Just Think said:
Have the abortionists, haven and roc, gone to ground?
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I think they are scared of you! You joked that they hadn't a slap in them and they went very silent since then. I think they think that you know who they are IRL. That must terrify them :)

The impression I get from them is that they are relatively high up in the deep state. They could, if they wanted and hopefully they don't, order a Segeant and a half dozen of his worst coppers to ambush me and in the middle of the torture session they will appear and taunt me with quotes from my Sarsfield's posts. That's why I am being relatively polite and friendly with them.

Roc. in particular claims to be genuine, if very vulgar, aggressive and disagreeable, disagreer, and if that is the case, he is very welcome to post here to contribute to the abortion comedy.
 
Diarmuid said:
Are they Irish pro-abortion ladies? Who is the guy?
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No, this is Lily Rose in America. She makes mince meat of all the loony pro-baby killing advocates and their half baked arguments.

Well worth a watch.
 
Wow! 2k views already! Thanks to everyone for your high grade informative and comedic contributions.

Tune in tomorrow, if God spares us, and if your stomach can handle it, for dead babies as food and cosmetics.

Hopefully Haven and Roc will contribute something. Or any pro-abortion male anywhere in Ireland. They are so shy....
 
Some other macabre consequences of abortion...

www.theguardian.com

Beauty salons fuel trade in aborted babies

Racketeers pay Ukraine women to sell foetuses to quack clinics for £10,000 courses of 'anti-ageing' jabs.
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www.professionalbeauty.com.au

Aborted Fetus Tissue In Cosmetics Sparks Outrage

A shocking court case against an underground beauty ring who conspired to used stem cells acquired from fetus tissue in cosmetic products has once again brought the ethical implications of the use of human stem cells in the beauty industry under question. Nadia Stennett reports.
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Fetal Collagen

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Products That Use Aborted Fetuses:
 
More Catholics for abortion:

The Catholic Women’s Association of Germany demanded access to abortion in Catholic institutions as a matter of ‘physical and mental health of those with unwanted pregnancies.’

MAINZ, Germany (LifeSiteNews) — The Catholic Women’s Association of Germany (kfd) has demanded that abortion be carried out in Catholic hospitals.
The kfd adopted a position paper, titled “Between the Protection of Life and Self-Determination: Positions and Perspectives of the kfd on Section 218 of the German Criminal Code,” at its assembly in Mainz last weekend.
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The document states: “The kfd demands that abortions must also be available in Catholic hospitals.”
The group argued that Catholic hospitals not offering abortions “endangers the physical and mental health of those with unwanted pregnancies.”
The kfd is Germany’s largest Catholic women’s association with around 265,000 members. Other than supporting access to abortion, the group also called for free access to contraceptives and health insurance coverage for abortion. The Catholic Church has categorically condemned both abortion and the use of contraception.
 
Just Think said:
If only the leadership of SF could be aborted...
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Irish law allows forced, non consensual abortions. If one doctor certifies it is an emergency, they can abort up to nine months.

The abortion law itself says that consent is determined by another law on health issues. When you check out that law, it allows "medical procedures" to be carried out against the patient's wishes in an emergency, etc.

That SocDem Holly Cairns lady is supposedly pregnant at the moment. One doctor and a High Court injunction should do the job.

It's the law. She voted for it. Nobody is above the law.
 
The sister of Soc Dem Whitmore Brennan TD was hustling for publicity for her abortion in the UK. It is entirely possible that she deliberately got pregnant so she could abort the baby and promote abortion.

She persistently referred to her "baby". She normalised the idea of aborting a baby because it might be deformed - even though there have been several cases where the docs pushed the women to abort a deformed baby, but it turned out the baby was perfectly healthy. She used her abortion to push the abortion agenda.

The Jews used to publicly kill their first born in a sacrifice to Moloch. Perhaps that is what they are pushing for? Normalise the idea that abortion means killing a baby and make it ever more public and celebrated. Abortion is a jewish sacrament, as they often boast. The ultimate aim might be to wait till the baby is born and kill it publicly, like in the good old days.

Perhaps Holly Cairns has deliberately got pregnant with a view to killing the baby and using that killing to normalise baby killing even more?

Perhaps she will have a very late abortion, record it and put the recording out online and sell the body parts to"help" some adult get cured of some disease. She can giggle at people's natural revulsion, sneer at them for being so uncompassionate and gloat over how much money she made.

Who is the father of her baby?

"It's what the Irish people voted for. Your trad Catholic views belong in the dustbin of history."
 
Superb photo. Smug self satisfaction, death pale skin, office environment.

Horrifying statistic. Where did the photo come from?

It seems that it is sometimes possible to tell whether a woman has had an abortion just by looking at her. You can often pick up the bang of abortion from men also.

And in fairness to women, there are always men involved in every abortion.
 
Diarmuid said:
Hopefully Haven and Roc will contribute something... They are so shy....
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Refer here:

Revisiting the repeal referendum & treatment of “unmarried mothers” when we lived under a regime of state & Catholic institutional nexus.

This thread is to address false imputation of intent systematically targeted on this forum at those who were sympathetic to “repeal” in general. I'm going to set out the real position, not the position that zealots insist is the position of their opponents. While these zealots no doubt don't...
www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com
 
Diarmuid said:
It seems that it is sometimes possible to tell whether a woman has had an abortion just by looking at her. You can often pick up the bang of abortion from men also.
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This isn't the first time you've hinted that men can have abortions.

I didn't have you down as a member of Sinn Féin Sir?
 
Myles O'Reilly said:
This isn't the first time you've hinted that men can have abortions.

I didn't have you down as a member of Sinn Féin Sir?
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To clarify, if the man donated sperm to create the baby that was then aborted or if he actually performed the abortion, I'm counting that as "having an abortion".
 
Roc. said:
Refer here:
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For those who don't want to bother visiting Roc's "Repeal and unmarried mothers" thread, some amusing highlights.

He says he wants to set out the actual Repeal position, not what is falsely imputed to them. But then he challenges oppomemts to set out the Repeal position to see if they can do it truthfully.

This is madness. If he cannot set out his own position on baby killing clearly, why should he expect anyone else to be able to do it?

Sez I:
You want me to truthfully represent your views? Surely you are the best person to do that, if you are capable of being truthful.

You think the taxpayer should pay for women to hire a doctor kill their babies for any reason whatsoever up to three months? This reason can include the fact that the baby has a Negro or Jewish father or is female or for spiritual reasons connected to the woman's practice of silly ol'satanism.

His reply was a predictable barrage of revolting, vulgar insults and he denied that was an accurate summary of his position. So it seems that he doesn't support tax payer funded abortions for any reason up to three months.

The Equalizer asked him to set out his view of the pro-life view. Oddly, he politely did so and said that we want to "save the babies."

Equalizer destroyed him:

"I'm not sure that I would put it that way, or, would you describe being against murder as wanting to save people?"

Aldo also made an good contribution.

The abortionisti pretend to be highly offended when they are called baby killers. But killer is a neutral, non judgemental word. I've used it in an effort to be polite. If they know the baby is a baby and they kill him or her, it is more legally accurate to call them baby murderers.
 
Perry said:
https://www.thejournal.ie/mandatory-wait-abortion-law-sinn-fein-7070114-Jun2026/ what is it with far left parties and their infatuation with abortion. Only last month the soc dems had a go at removing the 3 day reflection period, it was defeated, now it's SFs turn. Why not table a motion in speeding up deportations or something useful.
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If it is safe for you to do so, I urge you to lobby your local TDs to vote against this. Do it on the phone or better still, in person.

Be polite, non-threatening, etc, and record your conversation.

It is worth lobbying SF TDs as well - they are the ones proposing this. The clever ones will be polite and pretend to listen to you. You might get lucky and find a stupidly evil one who will let the mask slip and display their evil with aggression, threats, insults etc. They will be baiting you to get you to say something nasty.

Don't fall for the trap. Keep calm, keep recording and you may find some comedy gold.

One thing that really riles up the abortionista women is being asked about their own personal abortion.

The Soc Dem proposal was defeated a few weeks ago, so there is a reasonable possibility this will also be defeated. It's possible that a SF TD or two could be encouraged into a mental breakdown. Very small wins, of course, but every win counts.
 
Perry said:
https://www.thejournal.ie/mandatory-wait-abortion-law-sinn-fein-7070114-Jun2026/

What is it with far left parties and their infatuation with abortion. Only last month the soc dems had a go at removing the 3 day reflection period, it was defeated, now it's SFs turn.
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I already explained it for the forum's members. A number of times.

You morons are the yin to the yang of the far left. They exist for and because of you.

They are fighting you, they will keep pushing this and the other issues because of you. It is in fact much less about what they refer to as these "rights" themselves.

There is this vicious circle of stupidity and viciousness and "one-upmanship" engendered.

You guys on here need to see that you are the same as each other in essence.

For instance, note how you both find your raison d'etre in vilifying others, putting yourselves on a moral pedestal, and claiming to fight on behalf of those you deem need your protection.

In fact the whole horrible dynamic actually makes sense of what Ayan Rand argued. (I actually never understood her before I witnessed the far left and far right on these damned Irish fora.)

To recall, Ayn Rand argued that claiming to act for the "good of others" is a fundamentally vicious motive - that it creates a destructive cycle, ultimately creating a society where both the "do-gooders" and their victims are destroyed.

This argument becomes plainer and plainer to see, and borne out, the more we witness the fallout, related to you spouting your irredeemably stupid shit, on both sides, left and right.
 
Roc. said:
I already explained it for the forum's members. A number of times.

You morons are the yin to the yang of the far left.
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The only "yin and yang" you care about is that both sides are antisemitic. Because that's ultimately all you care about.

Roc. said:
They exist for and because of you.
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Nonsense. They exist because of themselves.

Yes, it's been pointed out that the right, especially limp-wristed faggots called conservatives, simply don't have the ruthlessness of the left, and the left never punches left. The far left summed up -


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kTROMPq1SAA

The sooner everyone on the right figures out that it's us or them, the better.

Roc. said:
They are fighting you, they will keep pushing this and the other issues because of you. It is in fact much less about what they refer to as these "rights" themselves.

There is this vicious circle of stupidity and viciousness and "one-upmanship" engendered.

You guys on here need to see that you are the same as each other in essence.

For instance, note how you both find your raison d'etre in vilifying others, putting yourselves on a moral pedestal, and claiming to fight on behalf of those you deem need your protection.

In fact the whole horrible dynamic actually makes sense of what Ayan Rand argued. (I actually never understood her before I witnessed the far left and far right on these damned Irish fora.)

To recall, Ayn Rand argued that claiming to act for the "good of others" is a fundamentally vicious motive - that it creates a destructive cycle, ultimately creating a society where both the "do-gooders" and their victims are destroyed.

This argument becomes plainer and plainer to see, and borne out, the more we witness the fallout, related to you spouting your irredeemably stupid shit, on both sides, left and right.
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The Equalizer said:
The only "yin and yang" you care about is that both sides are antisemitic. Because that's ultimately all you care about.
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Granted that consists my "Eureka" moment.

I.e. In the exact same sense as say Moseley had his "Eureka" moment when he noticed that different elements bombarded with electrons, emit characteristic X-rays - that there is a predictable, mathematical relationship between the frequencies of these emitted X-rays and the element's atomic number, providing the basis for organising the periodic table.

Likewise, antisemitism is indeed something emitted by social groups exhibiting these behaviours that I was talking about this morning - in my post above, and in the post on the other thread, etc.

It is terribly, abominably fascinating. I could in fact take the various antisemitic characteristics based on these type of "emissions" to arrange the views of you mongs into another kind of social "periodic table", that encompasses both left and the right, and we might even make some defensible analogies with valency and so on and so forth.
 
Roc. said:
Granted that consists my "Eureka" moment.

I.e. In the exact same sense as say Moseley had his "Eureka" moment when he noticed that different elements bombarded with electrons, emit characteristic X-rays - that there is a predictable, mathematical relationship between the frequencies of these emitted X-rays and the element's atomic number, providing the basis for organising the periodic table.

Likewise, antisemitism is indeed something emitted by social groups exhibiting these behaviours that I was talking about this morning - in my post above, and in the post on the other thread, etc.

It is terribly, abominably fascinating. I could in fact take the various antisemitic characteristics based on these type of "emissions" to arrange the views of you mongs into another kind of social "periodic table", that encompasses both left and the right, and we might even make some defensible analogies with valency and so on and so forth.
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Eureka moment? No, it's your entire psychology pal (and the evidence is, or was there for all to see)
 
I am a regular Irish guy. I was going about my business and then I noticed something. And the more I looked the more extraordinary and worthy of notice it became.

Look at it on this forum. Look at it over on gubu.ie. Politics.ie was filled with thousands upon thousands of pages of it. Look at the political life of this country. Look around you, listen, and if you have a mind to, compare it to prior occurrences of the same phenomenon. Look everywhere, anywhere. Go and re-read this very thread for instance.

I wouldn't call that "my entire psychology". It is simply looking, and listening, and going - what in the utter fuck is this sheer brainlessness and the deranged stupid spite that is being served up with it?

Oh sure, most of you like to pretend it is normal, or rational, or justified, something like that. But to others like me, the reaction is - what in the name of fuck is happening here? And I would say that is a normal reaction.
 
Roc. said:
I already explained it for the forum's members. A number of times.

You morons are the yin to the yang of the far left. They exist for and because of you.

They are fighting you, they will keep pushing this and the other issues because of you. It is in fact much less about what they refer to as these "rights" themselves.

There is this vicious circle of stupidity and viciousness and "one-upmanship" engendered.

You guys on here need to see that you are the same as each other in essence.

For instance, note how you both find your raison d'etre in vilifying others, putting yourselves on a moral pedestal, and claiming to fight on behalf of those you deem need your protection.

In fact the whole horrible dynamic actually makes sense of what Ayan Rand argued. (I actually never understood her before I witnessed the far left and far right on these damned Irish fora.)

To recall, Ayn Rand argued that claiming to act for the "good of others" is a fundamentally vicious motive - that it creates a destructive cycle, ultimately creating a society where both the "do-gooders" and their victims are destroyed.

This argument becomes plainer and plainer to see, and borne out, the more we witness the fallout, related to you spouting your irredeemably stupid shit, on both sides, left and right.
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The far left have been around long before me, there's no meaningful "far right", I consider myself a centerist, more conservative as I get older, like any sane person. Do you not think this fascination with even more liberal abortions is odd?
 
Guys, please. There must be some abortion content in every post. There are plenty of other threads for general left/right bickering. Go raibh maith agaibh.

Suggested Protocols of the good faith (male) debaters ón Irish abortion laws.



If any of you male pro-abortion enthusiasts have suggestions ón how to improve these protocols, they are very welcome.



Motion: This house believes that Irish abortion laws should be made much more restrictive so as to reduce abortion numbers by 95%.



Aternative motion, if the baby-killers prefer: This House believes that Irish abortion laws should be made more liberal to allow abortion numbers to increase by 95%



1. Pro-life side agree not to impute motives to to pro-abortion side. And vice versa.

2. Pro-life life side agree not to refer to baby-killing, devil worship and abortion as a Jewish sacrament. Pro-abortion side agree not to refer to Catholic Church, Fianna Fail and the state funded and established Mother and Baby homes.

3. Mental health, personal histories and Ulster conflict combat records of debaters are not relevant. Status of debaters as agents, snitches for the Gardai are also not relevant

4. The referendums are not part of the debate. This is just about the current laws governing abortion. One is the abortion law and the other law that governs consent in medical procedures and when forced procedures are allowed.

5. Vaccines are not part of the debate, except in so far as they have or don't have an abortifacient effect. The sterlization aspect of vaccines is not part of the debate.

6. Abortion as a tactic to implement the Great Replacment is not part of the debate.

7. The development of the baby in the womb, it's capacity to feel pain and it's level of conciousness are relevant to the debate. The effects of abortion ón the health of the mother are also relevant

8. Personal abortion histories of debaters are relevant.

9. God, Jesus, the host of angels, the Whipping in the Synagogue and silly ol' satan are not part of the debate.



The effect of these restrictions is to force debaters to focus strictly ón the existing Irish laws and how changes in them can reduce – or increase! - abortion numbers.



Format:



Three speakers either side. Five minutes for each speaker. Starting side to be decided by a toss of the coin.



Can you pro-abortion boys name anyone you have confidence in as an impartial chairman?
 
Roc. said:
I am a regular Irish guy. I was going about my business and then I noticed something. And the more I looked the more extraordinary and worthy of notice it became.

Look at it on this forum. Look at it over on gubu.ie. Politics.ie was filled with thousands upon thousands of pages of it. Look at the political life of this country. Look around you, listen, and if you have a mind to, compare it to prior occurrences of the same phenomenon. Look everywhere. Go and re-read this very thread for instance.

I wouldn't call that "my entire psychology". It is simply looking, and listening, and going - what in the utter fuck is this sheer brainlessness and the deranged stupid spite that is being served up with it?

Oh sure, most of you like to pretend it is normal, or rational, or justified, something like that. But to others like me, the reaction is - what in the name of fuck is happening here? And I would say that is a normal reaction.
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Speaking of evidence..

On Gaychat (p.ie) all you did was post a hundred Zionist/hasbara posts per day, alongside your Jewish bandmate.. can't remember his name now.

On Gubu, you've openly admitted that you were banned for the same thing.
 
Please guys: I've sent a couple of warnings to both sides to ask to ensure there is at some direct reference to abortion in every post. There are hundreds of other threads for general discussions.

I'm hoping to mine your comments for abortion comedy gold for the updated edition of my Gaelic best selling book: Scealta greannmhar faoi na Ginmhillteorí

In fairness to the male baby killers posting on this site, you are brave boys to debate, even behind your anonymous keyboards. Let's take to real life, eh?
 
Perry said:
The far left have been around long before me, there's no meaningful "far right".
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The left of today that arose with your movement is very different to their left wing forerunners.

That old left actively fought authoritarian, bureaucratic and totalitarian tendencies. It broke with orthodox Marxist-Leninist views, and state-centric views, focusing instead on self-organisation and civic disobedience etc.

It sought to build independent civil society alongside institutions like the Catholic Church, and championed actual democracy. It merged classical liberalism, anti-totalitarianism, and free-market advocacy with emphasis on tolerance and actual human rights (not the weaponisation of same).

Today's left are very far from these ideals, and your movement played a huge role in it, as I have tried to explain.

Also, back closer to the topic, note that the old left did not look on abortion as an "individual rights" issue as they do today.
 
Perry said:
The far left have been around long before me, there's no meaningful "far right", I consider myself a centerist, more conservative as I get older, like any sane person. Do you not think this fascination with even more liberal abortions is odd?
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The left/right distinction died in September '39 when left wing Uncle Joe Stalin joined right wing Uncle Adolf Hitler in the invasion of Poland. Both were enthusiastic abortionists in their own way. I too consider myself a sensible, centrist, middle of the road kinda guy and am puzzled why the abortionisti are so keen to maximise abortion numbers.

Can Roc explain why?
 
Diarmuid said:
Please guys: I've sent a couple of warnings to both sides to ask to ensure there is at some direct reference to abortion in every post. There are hundreds of other threads for general discussions.

I'm hoping to mine your comments for abortion comedy gold for the updated edition of my Gaelic best selling book: Scealta greannmhar faoi na Ginmhillteorí

In fairness to the male baby killers posting on this site, you are brave boys to debate, even behind your anonymous keyboards. Let's take to real life, eh?
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Leave all of the current posts here and I'll quote them in order to reply to them in a different thread.

Over and out
 
Diarmuid said:
...I too consider myself a sensible, centrist, middle of the road kinda guy...
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No, you're not. You're a deranged gibbering lunatic who I would put real money on is in and out of John of God's or St. Pat's at least twice a year.

Diarmuid said:
... and am puzzled why the abortionisti are so keen to maximise abortion numbers. Can Roc explain why?
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No, you're not. You're pandering to the voices in your head that spout this kind of shit.

No one wants to "maximise abortion numbers", that is just your own projection (and it is a projection that reveals something of you). Rather they want to deal with the issue as "humanely" as possible, in whatever framework of "humane" they personally hold.

Remember the far left in this respect think just as well of themselves as you guys think well of yourselves. Don't forget that. They also see themselves as "heroes" saving women, and in fact also saving children from miserable deprived existences, born to parents who don't want them, etc.

You both of you weave a picture in your own minds of yourselves as heroes. Just the far left make a different picture out of it to you guys.
 
Roc. said:
No, you're not. You're a deranged gibbering lunatic who I would put real money on is in and out of John of God's or St. Pat's at least twice a year.


No, you're not. You're pandering to the voices in your head
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No need for ad hominem attacks.

What do you think of the abortion debate protocols?
 
What do I think? I think the foot you set off on, and continued on, says everything that anyone needs to know, and why they would be a moron to say the least to even think about ever engaging with someone like you. But I set out the actual arguments and position to consider in my thread. Now if I ever saw even a scintilla of actual intelligent engagement with what I actually said, then I would be very generous in seeing that there might be some possibility of having an actual debate. But all I see is bullshit, projection, misrepresentation, and lies, and I would honestly be surprised to see any type of reversal of that.
 
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