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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AUL LAD" data-source="post: 124180" data-attributes="member: 406">RE PRE VATICAN 11 i am probably the only person on this site  who was forced to learn Latin to serve mass . you had a senior alter server to make you learn sounds not words by rote -- the sounds were completely foreign and non intuitive --it was a misery for me and i was beaten for not making good progress .nobody in the church could ever in their lifetimes  translate the ceremony and the service was conducted with the priest facing the altar his back to us .he then  mounted a high pulpit to address us  and i can say for sure in over 60 years they never said anything memorable or profound  and i should be able to remember something but no i cannot remember a single sermon . i served mass for the very famous fr mc namara who grabbed me one day in the graveyard and he slipped on the grass  and stumbled as he fought for his balance .i was 10ish and i had no idea of the danger i was in --but his face had pure evil on it and for some reason i ran --i told my parents and they asked me was i bold  what did i do to upset him  and that was the end of it  for me . my fellow server whose real name is Pa was molested and raped and he spent his life going in and out of st canices  . he lost everything including his marriage his physical and mental health  and then his life .My childhood was horrific --i was beaten to go to the devotions in the night 2 miles away in the rain and had to repeat what was said to prove i was there --all the shops in the town had to close on the important feast days/processions . the clergy were presidents of the golf club--Gaa- everything that moved they had a finger in the pie --if you had an independent mind you would suffer big time from the taliban who ruled us .you who miss the REAL church do not know what you are talking about --it was bizarre --try serving the priest at a churching and ask what is it and you are told she sinned by having a child and needs cleansing /churching .it was mad because at the core of it were people who were insane with totally unchristian beliefs and who sold thousands of Irish people/babies for as much as the market would bear --aer lingus stewardesses were told they had to look after the infant and hand him over to the couple in America  -----human trafficking -- no paperwork allowed  to/ by aer lingus  not even a postage stamp -- no records all cash .i do not miss that church and i hope it never returns .fr mc na mara was then sent to the west of Ireland where he was responsible for o Donnell killing a priest and Imelda Riney and her son in a wood .</blockquote>

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