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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AUL LAD" data-source="post: 124249" data-attributes="member: 406">you have it all wrong--the Latin mass was unintelligible even for educated people --it was deliberate and the people slowly freed themselves from their fear of the Latin speaking elite who clearly held them in contempt by not allowing each and everyone an understanding of the mass and religion  .slowly each aspect of the catholic church was examined by the laity and much  was found to be criminal in nature  -- and the policy of rejecting heterosexuality  while bearing witness to the  successful heterosexual church of Ireland with its female clergy in the same parish  and attending the same public events made many Catholics examine the almost enforced homosexuality of the catholic church and wonder why this was seen to be a good idea .any organization which has children in its care has to have a robust duty of care policy in place for its own and the children's protection .the church with its joke ""celibacy"" clause which attracted deviants of every kind to paid employment  did know what was going on for centuries  and that is now visible to the laity  and they wonder at the reason for it all -- no normal family person would run the catholic church the way it is run today  and if you subjected a single person to these extremes privately you would be arrested in most countries .the catholic church was a church when it banned usury -like the Muslims  AND THE JEWS .today in each city of the USA and Canada you can get A HEBREW LOAN --INTEREST FREE -the Jews have not abandoned THEIR mad Talmudic  religion  with its permission to kill gentiles and rape 3 year old children -- which make ours look like a  harmless kindergarten .the reason the catholic church has diminished is clearly their lack of interest in Catholics particularly  ""ordinary "" Catholics in a western environment  where they seem to offer nothing but trouble with their sick and weird practice of denying a priest a wife and family and i have been to church of Ireland services where a female priest  spoke to us and i detected a fuller more substantial christian   presence from this woman who had 3 children and a husband .the first girl i dated  Ruth S--- is now a church or Ireland minister  and i treasure the time-- half a century ago -- we spent together today .A HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL ON THIS SITE  AND THANKS DECLAN FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK  IN MAKING THIS SITE  IMPORTANT  FOR US ALL.</blockquote>

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