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<blockquote data-quote="scolairebocht" data-source="post: 143249" data-attributes="member: 8"><p>[ATTACH=full]8093[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p><strong>Commission of Investigation System </strong></p><p></p><p>For almost a decade and a half the Irish establishment let a number of high profile public enquiries run without bothering to track properly the vast legal expenditure involved or their over wide terms of reference, resulting (not accidentally of course) in the discrediting of the whole public enquiry system which has run, smoothly enough, in Ireland since at least the early 17th century.</p><p></p><p>Then inevitably the power that be, in this case Minister of Justice Michael McDowell, proposed their (prepared) ‘solution’. He sponsored an Act that created a ‘Commission of Investigation’ (or Inquiry) system which is almost the complete opposite of a proper public inquiry, but the distinction gets very confused in the minds of ordinary people. Where before a public inquiry involves evidence given in public and then a judge adjudicates the evidence in a final report, which is based only on that evidence given publicly in court. Obviously you can only have confidence in evidence given publicly, anybody can lie about anything they like in private, especially, as in this case, they are receiving large sums of money for so lying.</p><p></p><p>Instead the Commission of Investigation system would make a Stalinist prosecutor in Soviet Russia blush, everything about it is entirely secret, and indeed it also serves to hoover up any information that would otherwise be available to the public on the particular issue. Also, mysteriously, these Commissions have almost always been used only against the Catholic Church in Ireland and the criticisms they make have always been greeted by brainwashing levels of media hype pouring down on top of that Church. For example the Murphy Inquiry was set up to investigate the treatment of child abuse cases in the Dublin area, on the part of the Church, the state agencies and Civil Service, the Gardai, and the health services (the HSE or its preceding bodies). But instead when the Commission actually was up and running the before mentioned latter interested parties just said they had no surviving documentation or witnesses from that time, and then almost the whole report mysteriously became only about the Catholic Church.</p><p></p><p>Fr Padraig McCarthy, who died last June, discovered this Stalinist system when he tried to pursue some serious errors in that Murphy report (called after the same judge who presided over the Mother and Baby Commission):</p><p></p><p></p><p>That Murphy report, and this Commission of Inquiry or Investigation system, was critiqued by the Irish barrister and long term Hong Kong judge, Fergal Sweeney, who writes:</p><p></p><p></p><p>And concluded:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Commission of Investigation into Irish Schools</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>So after it was established by McDowell we have had repeated reports from these secretive Commissions, almost all of them bearing down with huge slanders against Catholics, clerics. bishops and religious. Now the government has opened another one, they have launched another Commission of Investigation, this time into Irish schools. Because of some, massively hyped, allegations into Blackrock College in Dublin in particular, they are now going to investigate every single primary and secondary school in Ireland since Independence. This Commission of Investigation system, rules out any type of cross examination of course, so the general pattern is that people make allegations entirely in secret and entirely without challenge and then get awarded huge sums of money in ‘redress’ if the state, in its wisdom, deems it necessary. </p><p></p><p>And who pays for the redress, you may ask? Well anybody who knows Ireland knows that most of those schools since Independence were patronised and assisted by the Catholic Church, whether it be National Schools assisted by the local priest, or Loreto or Mercy run female secondary schools, or boys schools run by the Christian brothers, or Catholic Diocesan boarding schools, etc etc. In otherwords this is potentially a great big arrow pointing at the financial independence of the Catholic Church in Ireland, as in fact the Minister herself seemed to indicate at the press conference launching this:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="scolairebocht, post: 143249, member: 8"] [ATTACH type="full"]8093[/ATTACH] [B]Commission of Investigation System [/B] For almost a decade and a half the Irish establishment let a number of high profile public enquiries run without bothering to track properly the vast legal expenditure involved or their over wide terms of reference, resulting (not accidentally of course) in the discrediting of the whole public enquiry system which has run, smoothly enough, in Ireland since at least the early 17th century. Then inevitably the power that be, in this case Minister of Justice Michael McDowell, proposed their (prepared) ‘solution’. He sponsored an Act that created a ‘Commission of Investigation’ (or Inquiry) system which is almost the complete opposite of a proper public inquiry, but the distinction gets very confused in the minds of ordinary people. Where before a public inquiry involves evidence given in public and then a judge adjudicates the evidence in a final report, which is based only on that evidence given publicly in court. Obviously you can only have confidence in evidence given publicly, anybody can lie about anything they like in private, especially, as in this case, they are receiving large sums of money for so lying. Instead the Commission of Investigation system would make a Stalinist prosecutor in Soviet Russia blush, everything about it is entirely secret, and indeed it also serves to hoover up any information that would otherwise be available to the public on the particular issue. Also, mysteriously, these Commissions have almost always been used only against the Catholic Church in Ireland and the criticisms they make have always been greeted by brainwashing levels of media hype pouring down on top of that Church. For example the Murphy Inquiry was set up to investigate the treatment of child abuse cases in the Dublin area, on the part of the Church, the state agencies and Civil Service, the Gardai, and the health services (the HSE or its preceding bodies). But instead when the Commission actually was up and running the before mentioned latter interested parties just said they had no surviving documentation or witnesses from that time, and then almost the whole report mysteriously became only about the Catholic Church. Fr Padraig McCarthy, who died last June, discovered this Stalinist system when he tried to pursue some serious errors in that Murphy report (called after the same judge who presided over the Mother and Baby Commission): That Murphy report, and this Commission of Inquiry or Investigation system, was critiqued by the Irish barrister and long term Hong Kong judge, Fergal Sweeney, who writes: And concluded: [B]Commission of Investigation into Irish Schools [/B] So after it was established by McDowell we have had repeated reports from these secretive Commissions, almost all of them bearing down with huge slanders against Catholics, clerics. bishops and religious. Now the government has opened another one, they have launched another Commission of Investigation, this time into Irish schools. Because of some, massively hyped, allegations into Blackrock College in Dublin in particular, they are now going to investigate every single primary and secondary school in Ireland since Independence. This Commission of Investigation system, rules out any type of cross examination of course, so the general pattern is that people make allegations entirely in secret and entirely without challenge and then get awarded huge sums of money in ‘redress’ if the state, in its wisdom, deems it necessary. And who pays for the redress, you may ask? Well anybody who knows Ireland knows that most of those schools since Independence were patronised and assisted by the Catholic Church, whether it be National Schools assisted by the local priest, or Loreto or Mercy run female secondary schools, or boys schools run by the Christian brothers, or Catholic Diocesan boarding schools, etc etc. In otherwords this is potentially a great big arrow pointing at the financial independence of the Catholic Church in Ireland, as in fact the Minister herself seemed to indicate at the press conference launching this: [/QUOTE]
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