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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mad as Fish" data-source="post: 131921" data-attributes="member: 396">Which begs the question at where did all of this start? Mi5 was formed in 1909, so did it adopt the role or was it handed it by whoever was in charge before then? I keep thinking back to Thatcher, her wrecking of British industry was not all her doing I'm sure, she may well have believed in it but I can't help think that she was being used, just as Starmer is being used today. It must be remembered that the Aristocracy, by and large, hated the industrial revolution, trade, usery and exploitation were there preferred methods of gaining wealth and upstart men of genius rather than birth were never really accepted into the  top tiers of the establishment.Britain is heading back towards its pre colonial past where the money was made and controlled by the nobility and its bankers rather than actually making anything.</blockquote>

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