Was Irish Independence Even Worth It? Be Honest…

[Anderson]

Right, I know this might rattle a few cages, but I’ve been thinking about it a lot lately — and someone has to say it. Over a century on from Irish "freedom," can anyone seriously say this country is in a better place?

We fought tooth and nail to get out from under British rule. Generations sacrificed themselves — shot, imprisoned, exiled — all for the dream of a free Ireland. But here today, I have to ask… was it worth it? Or have we been completely sold out under a different name?

Look around. You can’t tell half our towns apart from Britain anymore:

• Marks and Spencer in every city
• Tesco, JD Sports, Boots, Costa Coffee
• British news plastered everywhere — BBC, Sky News, Guardian headlines shoved down our throats
• The same soulless chain stores from Belfast to Cork

We’re supposed to be independent, yet we mimic the UK like we’re still their lost cousin trying to impress them.

And don’t get me started on our culture — or what’s left of it.

We were promised, as Padraig Pearse put it, “Not free merely, but Gaelic as well; not Gaelic merely, but free as well.” Yet fast-forward to today, and tell me — what part of Ireland feels Gaelic, or even Irish anymore?

St. Patrick’s Day, the one global event meant to showcase our heritage, has turned into a circus of multicultural nonsense. African parades down O’Connell Street, every flag under the sun waving, and barely a trace of real Irish tradition left. You’ve foreigners holding Irish passports, lecturing us about diversity — and half our own people can’t speak a word of Irish.

It’s the same story everywhere:

• Mass immigration changing towns overnight
• Young Irish priced out of housing
• Communities divided
• Our own culture diluted beyond recognition

All while the government smiles for the cameras, desperate to show how "inclusive" and "modern" we’ve become.

And the North?

Decades of bloodshed, lives destroyed, families ripped apart. Thousands dead during the Troubles — for what?

You walk the streets of Belfast Dublin, Cork or Derry, you’ll see the same UK high street shops, the same immigration policies, the same globalist nonsense. Africans with Irish passports, British stores on every corner, EU flags everywhere, and our politicians crawling after Brussels like lost puppies.

You have to seriously ask — what did we gain from all the death? Would we not have ended up exactly where we are now, only without the funerals and trauma?

It’s a harsh thing to say, but be honest — Michael Collins didn’t die for this. The same Michael Collins who said, “Give us the future… give us back our country to live in, to grow in, to love.”

What future?

• Our government can’t even house our own people
• They’re itching to drag us into NATO
• They’ve practically handed over sovereignty to the EU
• Young Irish forced to emigrate again, like the 1950s all over
• And crime, homelessness, and lawlessness taking over the cities

And meanwhile, the UK — the country we fought to leave — had the balls to get out of the EU. Say what you like about Brexit, but at least they tried to take back control.

We, on the other hand, run straight into Brussels’ arms, begging to be part of an EU army, selling off our neutrality — the last thing people respected about us.

We fought for freedom, for Irish identity, for control over our own destiny — but what we’ve got is a copy-paste British economy, EU-dictated laws, mass immigration changing our communities, and Irish people at the back of the queue in their own country.

Wolfe Tone once said, “To subvert the tyranny of our execrable government… to break the connection with England, the never-failing source of all our political evils.”

Well, we broke the connection with England alright. But now we’ve a different tyranny — Brussels, global corporations, NGOs — dictating our policies, deciding our future, flooding our country with people we never voted for.

All while the housing crisis worsens, young families can’t get by, Irish culture disappears, and the government preaches about progress.

So I’m asking again, plain and simple — was Irish independence even worth it?

Was it worth the deaths, the pain, the history, for a country overrun by chain stores, mass immigration, and foreign control?

Or could we have just stayed as we were, and spared ourselves the heartbreak — because we’ve ended up in the same place, only with less Irishness left to show for it?

You might not like hearing it, but a lot of people are thinking it. Curious to know what others reckon, whether you agree or not.

 

[nobody knows I'm a dog]

What independence?
On what day do we celebrate our independence?

We don't celebrate it because we never got it.

 

[AN2]

I think that Brexit shows that the Brits, excluding the Scots, are a more sovereign and nationalistic people than the Irish, albeit in Ireland (and Scotland) nationalism has been hijacked by Marxism, largely funnelled into Anglophobia (and that's why ridiculous so-called "nationalist" parties like Sinn Fein and the SNP exist)

 

[Declan]

Excellent OP that I must think about

 

[clarke-connolly]

Excellent Thread = = Great Points.

 

[Mad as Fish]

One point that is often overlooked is that away from the political scene the Irish have depended heavily on Britain for work. It was the Irish navvy who helped build the canals, railways and later the housing in the UK and a fair chunk of the money earnt returned to Ireland in one form or another. So there has always been a reliance on the UK at ground level due to the close social ties formed over the centuries.

I know it will be said that England stamped upon any attempt by Ireland to build its own industrial base, but we simply don't have the natural resources over here, where is the coal and iron ore? It was never going to happen to the same extent and now we are in competition with cheap labour and energy from the east and even many parts of Europe itself.

It begs the question as to what exactly is meant by independence?

 

[Yer Ma.]

Here's Sean O'Faolain way back in the 1960's lamenting the betrayal of the ideals of the men of 1916.

"... The kind of society that actually grew up was a society of what I call 'urbanised peasants'. They were a society that were without moral courage; constantly observing a self-interested silence, never speaking in moments of crisis, and in complete alliance with an obscurantist, repressive, regressive and uncultivated church."


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg77zby11iI

I.e. This was actually something set in motion a long time ago - in my view the root of it is the problem of the peasant mindset, that back then allied itself with the catholic church, I.e. The mindset that Zola described as egocentricity, being concerned solely with one's own short-term interest, understanding only coercion and thus kowtowing to any established authority, childishness, deceitfulness, meanness, greediness (if someone else is paying) etc.

 

[Yer Ma.]

The problems evident in areas like our housing "market", our land-rentierism, high executive compensations, vested interests, institutional self-interestedness, ideological dogma driving decisions, private sector pandering and commensurate government and public sector compensations and all other kinds of rent-seeking and market-rigging, are long rooted.

They mostly took root in the era of the regressive symbiosis of the state with the Roman Apostolic Church.

The way today for example we grovel to multinational companies, offering them low low tax rates as incentives to buy up vast tracts of housing, and set up call centres and their like here, and promise them that we will ensure them the largest captive "market", and largest employment pools, and towards that bringing in more and more people for their parasitical schemes, did not only begin recently.

The root is the original peasant minded affliction of the country. God love you all, but this forum is a grand exhibit of it.

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

As breath fresh air against the OP, I'd urge everyone to watch video at the bottom of the substack post linked here. Its Stephen Sutton singing at the rally in Dublin at the weekend. Of course read and watch the other video included, but the bottom clip is very powerful.

A Weekend to Remember

It’s time to start asking yourself “why not?”

stephensutton.substack.com

 

[Anderson]

One point that is often overlooked is that away from the political scene the Irish have depended heavily on Britain for work. It was the Irish navvy who helped build the canals, railways and later the housing in the UK and a fair chunk of the money earnt returned to Ireland in one form or another. So there has always been a reliance on the UK at ground level due to the close social ties formed over the centuries.

I know it will be said that England stamped upon any attempt by Ireland to build its own industrial base, but we simply don't have the natural resources over here, where is the coal and iron ore? It was never going to happen to the same extent and now we are in competition with cheap labour and energy from the east and even many parts of Europe itself.

It begs the question as to what exactly is meant by independence?

Fair points to be fair, and I appreciate the tone — you’re right that there’s always been that Irish reliance on work from Britain, especially during hard times. The navvies, the generations who went to London, Birmingham, Manchester — that money kept a lot of families afloat back home, no doubt about it.

But I think that just proves how complicated this whole "independence" thing is — we call ourselves free, but economically we’ve always been tangled up with Britain one way or another, even after the flag changed.

You mentioned industrial limitations, and I get it — we weren’t sitting on coal or iron ore like Wales or Yorkshire, so there were natural barriers. But still, there were some serious Irish industrial success stories that often get brushed aside:

• The Belfast shipyards, obviously the most famous — Harland & Wolff built the Titanic, and for decades it was one of the world’s biggest shipbuilding centres. That wasn’t just a British achievement, that was Irish hands, Irish skills, Irish workers building ships for the world.
• The linen industry — Belfast wasn’t called "Linenopolis" for nothing. Northern Ireland produced some of the finest linen anywhere and supplied huge demand across Britain and beyond.
• Down South, even without the heavy industry, we had massive agricultural exports — cattle, butter, Guinness, whiskey — Irish produce filled British shops and pubs for generations.
• In Cork, the Ford Motor Company set up one of its earliest overseas plants — Henry Ford himself had Irish roots and set up car manufacturing there, long before globalisation took off.

So while we lacked the raw materials for heavy industry at scale, Ireland didn’t sit back doing nothing. We contributed — ships, linen, food, engineering — and yeah, a lot of that fed straight into the British economy.

Which circles back to the point you made at the end — what does independence actually mean? Because when you strip it all back, even today we rely on Britain for trade, jobs, policies… and we’re even more tangled up with the EU now than we ever were with London.

 

[céline]

Isn't this what James Joyce was warning about?

Patrick Pearse was essentially providing a British clone as a response to British colonialism.

But honestly speaking that is what I love about Patrick Pearse... he's super-British.

The problem is not that we are still following Patrick Pearse' super-british vision... the problem is that we are following James Joyce.

But that's not surprising, since Britain is even more Joycean than we are.

What's actually good about Ireland is that we still retain something of Pearse... we're more British than the British.

 

[céline]

I think that Brexit shows that the Brits, excluding the Scots, are a more sovereign and nationalistic people than the Irish, albeit in Ireland (and Scotland) nationalism has been hijacked by Marxism, largely funnelled into Anglophobia (and that's why ridiculous so-called "nationalist" parties like Sinn Fein and the SNP exist)

Brexit just shows an allegiance to the States as opposed to keeping the allegiances between European countries.

I'm in favour of a British rebirth but I have to say Brexit is taking them in a different direction.

Maybe the rebirth can only happen on this island.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

The root is the original peasant minded affliction of the country. God love you all, but this forum is a grand exhibit of it.

Could you expand on this please Sir?

 

[Declan]

All I can say for sure is that not a single man from 1916 would die if he walked down Sackville Place today

 

[SwordOfStZip]

The Catholic Church strictly forbids cousin marriage (the Presbyterians and the Baptists maybe right in seeing that as an overstretch of Ecclesiastical authority and a lot of your Rabbis historically agreed with them but there you go).

 

[Mad as Fish]

The problems evident in areas like our housing "market", our land-rentierism, high executive compensations, vested interests, institutional self-interestedness, ideological dogma driving decisions, private sector pandering and commensurate government and public sector compensations and all other kinds of rent-seeking and market-rigging, are long rooted.

They mostly took root in the era of the regressive symbiosis of the state with the Roman Apostolic Church.

The way today for example we grovel to multinational companies, offering them low low tax rates as incentives to buy up vast tracts of housing, and set up call centres and their like here, and promise them that we will ensure them the largest captive "market", and largest employment pools, and towards that bringing in more and more people for their parasitical schemes, did not only begin recently.

The root is the original peasant minded affliction of the country. God love you all, but this forum is a grand exhibit of it.

Was it not the policies of the Catholic church that led to Ireland's greatest export being its people, rather than inviting them in?

 

[PISH-heads]

The problems evident in areas like our housing "market", our land-rentierism, high executive compensations, vested interests, institutional self-interestedness, ideological dogma driving decisions, private sector pandering and commensurate government and public sector compensations and all other kinds of rent-seeking and market-rigging, are long rooted.

They mostly took root in the era of the regressive symbiosis of the state with the Roman Apostolic Church.

The way today for example we grovel to multinational companies, offering them low low tax rates as incentives to buy up vast tracts of housing, and set up call centres and their like here, and promise them that we will ensure them the largest captive "market", and largest employment pools, and towards that bringing in more and more people for their parasitical schemes, did not only begin recently.

The root is the original peasant minded affliction of the country. God love you all, but this forum is a grand exhibit of it.

That's a ridiculous position. Blaming Ireland’s current housing crisis, market-rigging, and corporate pandering on some ancient “symbiosis” with the Roman Catholic Church is intellectually lazy but typical of the average modern day cucked Irishman. The rentierism and private sector favoritism we see today are products of modern neoliberal capitalism, not medieval canon law. Multinationals, vulture funds, and political cronyism didn’t spring from monasteries or diocesan councils; they’re largely driven by secular, often explicitly anti-Catholic actors whose interests are rooted in deregulation and global finance, not religious tradition. People that you have more in common with than your average silver haired practicing Catholic.

Dismissing public concern about these issues as a “peasant-minded affliction” is very telling. It reveals a kind of class disdain dressed up as historical insight. Ironically, it’s the Church that often stood against usury, protected small farmers, and emphasised the moral obligations of rulers to the common good. If anything, many of the people driving today’s housing crisis and market distortions are outright anti-Catholic in worldview, favoring profit over people and ideology over heritage.

 

[Yer Ma.]

"... The kind of society that actually grew up was a society of what I call 'urbanised peasants'. They were a society that were without moral courage; constantly observing a self-interested silence, never speaking in moments of crisis, and in complete alliance with an obscurantist, repressive, regressive and uncultivated church."


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg77zby11iI

I.e. This was actually something set in motion a long time ago - in my view the root of it is the problem of the peasant mindset, that back then allied itself with the catholic church, I.e. The mindset that Zola described as egocentricity, being concerned solely with one's own short-term interest, understanding only coercion and thus kowtowing to any established authority, childishness, deceitfulness, meanness, greediness (if someone else is paying) etc.

Sorry. Does he say "urbanised" or "organised"?

I think he actually says "a society of organised peasants".

This is so spot on. - Fianna Fail are basically "organised peasants". - All the institutions of this state are "organised peasants".

This forum is basically a coterie of "organised peasants".

Nail on head, Mr. O'Faolain.

 

[Aldo]

If you told the average Irish person even 30 years ago that in 30 years the country would be colonised by Indians, the dregs of the world would be invited in en masse, a rigged housing market would mean young Irish couples have no chance of buying a home and its only unique selling point is that it's the European capital of faggotry- you would have been dismissed as a loon.

The extent of decline in the last 30 years is astonishing.


View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/E0FiR6Ktb9Y

 

[PISH-heads]

Sorry. Does he say "urbanised" or "organised"?

I think he actually says "a society of organised peasants".

This is so spot on. - Fianna Fail are basically "organised peasants". - All the institutions of this state are "organised peasants".

This forum is basically a coterie of "organised peasants".

Nail on head, Mr. O'Faolain.

Seán O’Faoláin's time at Harvard clearly changed him. He left Ireland a nationalist with a Catholic background but came back thinking and writing like a crypto-Protestant—deeply critical of the Church, traditional Irish life, and anything that smacked of old-world piety. Harvard, with its elite, secular, and liberal culture, replaced that with a mindset rooted in rationalism, relativism, and anti-clericalism—the very ideas long pushed by groups like the Scottish Rite Freemasons.

You see it in how he wrote: dismissing the native Irish as "peasant-minded," pushing modernist ideas, and treating the Church as a backwards force. He might not have been a Mason in name (but probably was considering who he mixed with in Irish society), but in spirit, he was right in step—chipping away at Catholic Ireland from behind a mask of cultural sophistication.

 

[Declan]

I visit a friend yesterday evening and watch some TV. Irish channel ONE. It reviewed the year 2006 and the events in Ireland.

it was astounding to see the crowds being all irish!!

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

That's a ridiculous position. Blaming Ireland’s current housing crisis, market-rigging, and corporate pandering on some ancient “symbiosis” with the Roman Catholic Church is intellectually lazy but typical of the average modern day cucked Irishman. The rentierism and private sector favoritism we see today are products of modern neoliberal capitalism, not medieval canon law. Multinationals, vulture funds, and political cronyism didn’t spring from monasteries or diocesan councils; they’re largely driven by secular, often explicitly anti-Catholic actors whose interests are rooted in deregulation and global finance, not religious tradition. People that you have more in common with than your average silver haired practicing Catholic. Dismissing public concern about these issues as a “peasant-minded affliction” is very telling. It reveals a kind of class disdain dressed up as historical insight. Ironically, it’s the Church that often stood against usury, protected small farmers, and emphasised the moral obligations of rulers to the common good. If anything, many of the people driving today’s housing crisis and market distortions are outright anti-Catholic in worldview, favoring profit over people and ideology over heritage.

That's either Tiger with a false account or an Artificial Intelligence effort.

Either way its a laugh

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Seán O’Faoláin left Ireland a nationalist with a Catholic background but came back thinking and writing like a crypto-Protestant

MODS! Attention please!

Tiger has a second account for certain

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Land trouble, Co Meath, 1971



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yTmaYrzrgg

 

[jpc]

Right, I know this might rattle a few cages, but I’ve been thinking about it a lot lately — and someone has to say it. Over a century on from Irish "freedom," can anyone seriously say this country is in a better place?

We fought tooth and nail to get out from under British rule. Generations sacrificed themselves — shot, imprisoned, exiled — all for the dream of a free Ireland. But here today, I have to ask… was it worth it? Or have we been completely sold out under a different name?

Look around. You can’t tell half our towns apart from Britain anymore:

• Marks and Spencer in every city
• Tesco, JD Sports, Boots, Costa Coffee
• British news plastered everywhere — BBC, Sky News, Guardian headlines shoved down our throats
• The same soulless chain stores from Belfast to Cork

We’re supposed to be independent, yet we mimic the UK like we’re still their lost cousin trying to impress them.

And don’t get me started on our culture — or what’s left of it.

We were promised, as Padraig Pearse put it, “Not free merely, but Gaelic as well; not Gaelic merely, but free as well.” Yet fast-forward to today, and tell me — what part of Ireland feels Gaelic, or even Irish anymore?

St. Patrick’s Day, the one global event meant to showcase our heritage, has turned into a circus of multicultural nonsense. African parades down O’Connell Street, every flag under the sun waving, and barely a trace of real Irish tradition left. You’ve foreigners holding Irish passports, lecturing us about diversity — and half our own people can’t speak a word of Irish.

It’s the same story everywhere:

• Mass immigration changing towns overnight
• Young Irish priced out of housing
• Communities divided
• Our own culture diluted beyond recognition

All while the government smiles for the cameras, desperate to show how "inclusive" and "modern" we’ve become.

And the North?

Decades of bloodshed, lives destroyed, families ripped apart. Thousands dead during the Troubles — for what?

You walk the streets of Belfast Dublin, Cork or Derry, you’ll see the same UK high street shops, the same immigration policies, the same globalist nonsense. Africans with Irish passports, British stores on every corner, EU flags everywhere, and our politicians crawling after Brussels like lost puppies.

You have to seriously ask — what did we gain from all the death? Would we not have ended up exactly where we are now, only without the funerals and trauma?

It’s a harsh thing to say, but be honest — Michael Collins didn’t die for this. The same Michael Collins who said, “Give us the future… give us back our country to live in, to grow in, to love.”

What future?

• Our government can’t even house our own people
• They’re itching to drag us into NATO
• They’ve practically handed over sovereignty to the EU
• Young Irish forced to emigrate again, like the 1950s all over
• And crime, homelessness, and lawlessness taking over the cities

And meanwhile, the UK — the country we fought to leave — had the balls to get out of the EU. Say what you like about Brexit, but at least they tried to take back control.

We, on the other hand, run straight into Brussels’ arms, begging to be part of an EU army, selling off our neutrality — the last thing people respected about us.

We fought for freedom, for Irish identity, for control over our own destiny — but what we’ve got is a copy-paste British economy, EU-dictated laws, mass immigration changing our communities, and Irish people at the back of the queue in their own country.

Wolfe Tone once said, “To subvert the tyranny of our execrable government… to break the connection with England, the never-failing source of all our political evils.”

Well, we broke the connection with England alright. But now we’ve a different tyranny — Brussels, global corporations, NGOs — dictating our policies, deciding our future, flooding our country with people we never voted for.

All while the housing crisis worsens, young families can’t get by, Irish culture disappears, and the government preaches about progress.

So I’m asking again, plain and simple — was Irish independence even worth it?

Was it worth the deaths, the pain, the history, for a country overrun by chain stores, mass immigration, and foreign control?

Or could we have just stayed as we were, and spared ourselves the heartbreak — because we’ve ended up in the same place, only with less Irishness left to show for it?

You might not like hearing it, but a lot of people are thinking it. Curious to know what others reckon, whether you agree or not.

Looking at the decaying shithole the UK is rapidly turning into.
Yes we are now.

 

[Wolf]

Right, I know this might rattle a few cages, but I’ve been thinking about it a lot lately — and someone has to say it. Over a century on from Irish "freedom," can anyone seriously say this country is in a better place?

We fought tooth and nail to get out from under British rule. Generations sacrificed themselves — shot, imprisoned, exiled — all for the dream of a free Ireland. But here today, I have to ask… was it worth it? Or have we been completely sold out under a different name?

Look around. You can’t tell half our towns apart from Britain anymore:

• Marks and Spencer in every city
• Tesco, JD Sports, Boots, Costa Coffee
• British news plastered everywhere — BBC, Sky News, Guardian headlines shoved down our throats
• The same soulless chain stores from Belfast to Cork

We’re supposed to be independent, yet we mimic the UK like we’re still their lost cousin trying to impress them.

And don’t get me started on our culture — or what’s left of it.

We were promised, as Padraig Pearse put it, “Not free merely, but Gaelic as well; not Gaelic merely, but free as well.” Yet fast-forward to today, and tell me — what part of Ireland feels Gaelic, or even Irish anymore?

St. Patrick’s Day, the one global event meant to showcase our heritage, has turned into a circus of multicultural nonsense. African parades down O’Connell Street, every flag under the sun waving, and barely a trace of real Irish tradition left. You’ve foreigners holding Irish passports, lecturing us about diversity — and half our own people can’t speak a word of Irish.

It’s the same story everywhere:

• Mass immigration changing towns overnight
• Young Irish priced out of housing
• Communities divided
• Our own culture diluted beyond recognition

All while the government smiles for the cameras, desperate to show how "inclusive" and "modern" we’ve become.

And the North?

Decades of bloodshed, lives destroyed, families ripped apart. Thousands dead during the Troubles — for what?

You walk the streets of Belfast Dublin, Cork or Derry, you’ll see the same UK high street shops, the same immigration policies, the same globalist nonsense. Africans with Irish passports, British stores on every corner, EU flags everywhere, and our politicians crawling after Brussels like lost puppies.

You have to seriously ask — what did we gain from all the death? Would we not have ended up exactly where we are now, only without the funerals and trauma?

It’s a harsh thing to say, but be honest — Michael Collins didn’t die for this. The same Michael Collins who said, “Give us the future… give us back our country to live in, to grow in, to love.”

What future?

• Our government can’t even house our own people
• They’re itching to drag us into NATO
• They’ve practically handed over sovereignty to the EU
• Young Irish forced to emigrate again, like the 1950s all over
• And crime, homelessness, and lawlessness taking over the cities

And meanwhile, the UK — the country we fought to leave — had the balls to get out of the EU. Say what you like about Brexit, but at least they tried to take back control.

We, on the other hand, run straight into Brussels’ arms, begging to be part of an EU army, selling off our neutrality — the last thing people respected about us.

We fought for freedom, for Irish identity, for control over our own destiny — but what we’ve got is a copy-paste British economy, EU-dictated laws, mass immigration changing our communities, and Irish people at the back of the queue in their own country.

Wolfe Tone once said, “To subvert the tyranny of our execrable government… to break the connection with England, the never-failing source of all our political evils.”

Well, we broke the connection with England alright. But now we’ve a different tyranny — Brussels, global corporations, NGOs — dictating our policies, deciding our future, flooding our country with people we never voted for.

All while the housing crisis worsens, young families can’t get by, Irish culture disappears, and the government preaches about progress.

So I’m asking again, plain and simple — was Irish independence even worth it?

Was it worth the deaths, the pain, the history, for a country overrun by chain stores, mass immigration, and foreign control?

Or could we have just stayed as we were, and spared ourselves the heartbreak — because we’ve ended up in the same place, only with less Irishness left to show for it?

You might not like hearing it, but a lot of people are thinking it. Curious to know what others reckon, whether you agree or not.

What independence?
We are controlled and governed from Brussels.

 

[jpc]

What independence?
We are controlled and governed from Brussels.

And that's a fact.
Starting with our fishing rights.

 

[Mad as Fish]

And that's a fact.
Starting with our fishing rights.

And Lisbon cemented it all into place.

 

[jpc]

And Lisbon cemented it all into place.

Vote until you get it right you stupid Paddy.

 

[Wolf]

Vote until you get it right you stupid Paddy.

And Paddy is stupid for the most part, unfortunately.
Brainwashed by RTE/PRAVDA.