Was there a Global Flood

[Tiger]

Just listening to Joe Rogan’s latest guest- Graham Hancock and I think the curiosity around a global catastrophic flood has never really been resolved.

The Sahara wasn't always a desert; there used to be rivers, like the massive Tamanrasset River, that ran through it. These dried-up rivers, which you can still see from satellite images, suggest that the region was once covered with a lot of water. Some people argue that this could be the result of a huge flood event that affected the whole planet.

Another interesting clue is the discovery of marine fossils in the Sahara—things like whale bones. The fact that sea creatures once lived in what’s now one of the driest places on Earth seems to suggest that the area was underwater at some point. This could fit into the idea of a global flood that covered large parts of the world, turning even landlocked places like the Sahara into temporary seas.

Finally, if you look at ancient cultures and their stories, almost all of them talk about some kind of massive flood. From Noah’s Ark in the Bible to the Epic of Gilgamesh, people from all over the world have these flood myths. These stories might actually be based on something real that happened, like a global flood. So, when you add up the geological evidence, the fossils, and these old stories, it starts to seem like the Sahara could be part of the bigger picture of a flood that once affected the whole world


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[Myles O'Reilly]

I've heard Hancock on Rogan a number of times. The last if I recall had a protagonist who looked like Penfold from Danger Mouse with an equally ridiculous name.

I fear, however, you might be putting the cart before the horse here Tiger. In other words you have a specific belief - the Bible - and you're then going looking for evidence to support that story.

Rather than a true enquiry which wouldn't have a start point at all and would just allow your mind follow the evidence regardless of where it might take you Sir.

 

[Tiger]

I've heard Hancock on Rogan a number of times. The last if I recall had a protagonist who looked like Penfold from Danger Mouse with an equally ridiculous name.

I fear, however, you might be putting the cart before the horse here Tiger. In other words you have a specific belief - the Bible - and you're then going looking for evidence to support that story.

Rather than a true enquiry which wouldn't have a start point at all and would just allow your mind follow the evidence regardless of where it might take you Sir.

Myles, it’s not wrong to have a starting point—as long as we're open to letting the evidence challenge or confirm those views. The presence of marine fossils in the Sahara, ancient river systems, and flood myths from multiple cultures are pieces of evidence worth investigating, regardless of where they lead. I'm not forcing them to fit a narrative; I'm pointing out that they could potentially align with a broader flood hypothesis.

Lastly, if we flip this argument, aren't you also coming into this with a specific viewpoint—that a global flood is impossible or that the Bible is unreliable? In the spirit of true inquiry, wouldn’t it be better to engage with the evidence on its own terms, instead of assuming it can't possibly point toward a conclusion you disagree with? True critical thinking requires that we don’t dismiss evidence just because it challenges our worldview, whatever that worldview may be

 

[Professor]

Have they assessed the whale bones to get some fix on the dates?

Anyway, on a planet where there are tons of fish, crustacean and sea shell fossils in the high mountains of the Himalaya's and considering long term continental drift, then sure, why not have a partially submerged Africa too.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Sir, I urge you to seek out Hancock's original Rogan appearance with a lad with a long bushy beard (since deceased).

You'll find it very fulfilling.

 

[Tiger]

Have they assessed the whale bones to get some fix on the dates?

Anyway, on a planet where there are tons of fish, crustacean and sea shell fossils in the high mountains of the Himalaya's and considering long term continental drift, then sure, why not have a partially submerged Africa too.

Professor, It's true that marine fossils are found in high mountain ranges like the Himalayas, but that’s possibly a result of tectonic activity—specifically the collision of the Indian and Eurasian plates, which pushed up what was once ocean floor. However, this isn't the same as explaining the presence of marine fossils in regions like the Sahara, which haven’t experienced that kind of tectonic uplift. Simply saying "why not" misses the point that different regions have different geological histories. The Sahara's fossils and ancient river systems suggest it was submerged in water, not due to continental drift, but potentially because of large-scale flooding or climate shifts, and this is where the conversation should focus.

Additionally, dismissing the need to assess the dates of the whale bones sidesteps one of the key aspects of the debate: timing. If these fossils and river systems date back to a period that aligns with a potential global flood event, that’s significant. Without acknowledging this, you're ignoring the possibility that these findings could challenge mainstream assumptions. So, while continental drift can explain some fossils in the Himalayas, it doesn’t automatically explain what we see in the Sahara. The evidence deserves a closer look, not a wave of the hand.

 

[Professor]

Yes, agreed Tiger. I'll take a look at the video now and learn something new.

Meanwhile, the gut feeling says that the ice caps were melted away by increased sun activity which caused an increase in plant/tree growth and consequent major greenhouse gas production when earth eventually became like a sauna.

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

Gelogeoly proves there was a catastrophic flood. In the US for example, you can visit the Scablands of Washington state or the Grand Canyon, carved out violently by massive flood waters. If you look at a topographical map of NY state, you can see the path of the flood waters coming from North to Southwest, gouging out landmarks such as the Finger lakes.

 

[Hermit]

Lastly, if we flip this argument, aren't you also coming into this with a specific viewpoint—that a global flood is impossible or that the Bible is unreliable? In the spirit of true inquiry, wouldn’t it be better to engage with the evidence on its own terms, instead of assuming it can't possibly point toward a conclusion you disagree with? True critical thinking requires that we don’t dismiss evidence just because it challenges our worldview, whatever that worldview may be

Do you agree with the Bible's description of the flood?

 

[Tiger]

Do you agree with the Bible's description of the flood?

That it covered the entire world?

 

[SwordOfStZip]

That it covered the entire world?

Some people who would consider themselves to hold by a strong sense of Biblical Inerrancy hold that the Great Flood was a local rather than a global one.

 

[Hermit]

That it covered the entire world?

Yes, and how it is described in Genesis, for example:

4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

8 And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters assuaged;

 

[SwordOfStZip]

That it covered the entire world?

At least as regards what contemporary scholars call the Priestly narrative the description of the Flood in the Bible at the very least strongly implies the flat Earth model of cosmology.

 

[Professor]

Gelogeoly proves there was a catastrophic flood. In the US for example, you can visit the Scablands of Washington state or the Grand Canyon, carved out violently by massive flood waters. If you look at a topographical map of NY state, you can see the path of the flood waters coming from North to Southwest, gouging out landmarks such as the Finger lakes.

So, the water feature responsible for the carving must have been around for a long time, something more than a flood perhaps?
A flood being an occurrence which develops by exceptional conditions and usually subsides within a relatively short time, not lasting 100's or maybe 1000's of years as your example seems to imply?

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

So, the water feature responsible for the carving must have been around for a long time, something more than a flood perhaps?
A flood being an occurrence which develops by exceptional conditions and usually subsides within a relatively short time, not lasting 100's or maybe 1000's of years as your example seems to imply?

Correct, the geological structures in question reveal dramatic and violent activity over short ranges of time, mostly likely just weeks. In the scablands, for example, we see a geologic feature, preserved in the stone, that is associated with the receding of water (not ice), called tidal sand waves or sand ripples except on massive scale.

The Channeled Scablands in eastern Washington State are a unique geological formation, characterized by vast, barren landscapes shaped by catastrophic floods during the Last Glacial Maximum. One of the most striking features of this region is the presence of giant current ripples, which are massive sedimentary structures formed by the turbulent flow of water.

Some force was unleashed on the northern ice walls that resulted in near immediate and massive melting of the mile high ice at such volumes as to cause these geologic transformations of the landscape.

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

The tidal ripples in the Scablands are 30 to 40 foot tall. This gives you some idea of the forces and volume of water involved, not to mention the speed with which this process ended. It had to be swift to leave the ripples behind, untouched after the main event

Giant Current Ripples in Eastern Washington along the Columbia River - Blog — Casey J Scalf

I so enjoy a good geological formation and this formation of gigantic “current ripples” along the Columbia River in Eastern Washington near West Bar / Crescent Bar is absolutely wild! There are ample parking locations on the river bank across from the formation that provide excellent vantage points

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[Myles O'Reilly]

Sir, I urge you to seek out Hancock's original Rogan appearance with a lad with a long bushy beard (since deceased).

You'll find it very fulfilling.

The guy with the beard has reappeared on Rogan. He doesn't look too bad for a man that's dead!



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