Should I buy a pub in Ireland.

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I have noticed an aberration. It is cheaper to but a pub with a house than to buy a house on its own. It would be a private pub. What do ye think.
 
Yes that aberration is probably correct, commercial property is falling here, because in practice so is the economy especially tourism, while the housing market remains very overblown. If its affordable I'd say you could go for it, but be careful nothing you need to do on it requires any kind of planning permission, or expect to spend bucketfulls more money if so!
 
Just buying the one pub? Disappointed in the lack of ambition in this plan. Surely rich Yanks would be buying a chain of pubs? Of course, not as large a chain of pubs as they have in Texas. Isn't that right Honey?
 
Well this would not be a trading pub. They are obviously not viable and that is why they are so cheap
 
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Valamhic has agreed to provide security and he knows a brazzilian lady to tend bar. The problem is there is just a 2 bedroom apartment and she would have to share as many here are 3 of us
 
Declan said:
I have noticed an aberration. It is cheaper to but a pub with a house than to buy a house on its own. It would be a private pub. What do ye think.
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One reason is that stamp duty on a commercial property is 7.5% as opposed to 1% on residential. PP to convert to a dwelling only should not be that big a problem, but each council is different.
 
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Valamhic has agreed to provide security and he knows a brazzilian lady to tend bar. The problem is there is just a 2 bedroom apartment and she would have to share as many here are 3 of us
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A private club where a Brazilian lady serves the punters. (Is Pub, not Knocking Shop)
 
Declan said:
I have noticed an aberration. It is cheaper to but a pub with a house than to buy a house on its own. It would be a private pub. What do ye think.
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kilkenny is littered with empty closed down pubs --- many are river-stone with mortar walls 3 ft thick no insulation and no damp course --a fffing nightmare to renovate and to own with its lovely lead pipes and dry rot in the wood paneling meant to hold the plaster to the roof .
for many of these buildings a quick accident with a hi mac would be the best advice .
a modern pub will have no insulation and as money was made rooms are added on which make no structural sense and the building has at least 6 collections of foundations all different in width and height and age and naturally all settling at their own god given pace and if your property has ONLY 6 fighting zones with the whole structure then you are lucky and the electrics and sewage had at least 5 designers none of whom talked to each other.
needs must is a statement every 10 ft in the property and you can be lucky but the way pubs grew in Ireland in the mad 70s when all could drive to the pub and stagger to your car and make your own way home -- was keep the pub open and tack on bits as demand required -- very rarely did an architect arrive at a clean site and build a large pub designed as a unit .
of all structures to buy an Irish pub requires the most bravery .
there are churches for sale some cheap due to the listed building status but if you are clever and have your feet on the ground you can dry-line the inside and have a sound but cold structure built and designed by one architect for one purpose and if you are clever you can re purpose .
O FAOLINES pub john st kilkenny is a modern structure built around a Belgian church as he could not get a church to buy and remove in Ireland
its different but not a mecca for tourists --tynans is and was a 18th century chemist and a pub and i tell people it was the only shop which could kill you and cure you on the same premises and its bar/chemist furniture /contents have attracted offers of 500,000 to remove to the USA .
kilkenny has langtons which is a university for publicans and they made eamonn the judge to allow somebody else to win Irish pub of the year.
its all very scientific and as the night goes on and you have had a few drinks the tills go up and as you approach the nightclub zone the tills increase also .
he spent 6 million on his private theater THE SET and 2 million on the only proper TEA ROOMS in Ireland --you have to go to kensington to find their equal .
his son is a professional industrial designer and designed BRIDIES next door for another son --the staff wear 18th century aprons which stretch from your neck to your shoes and the gentry of the town drink there.
 
AUL LAD said:
There are churches for sale some cheap due to the listed building status but if you are clever and have your feet on the ground you can dry-line the inside and have a sound but cold structure built and designed by one architect for one purpose and if you are clever you can re purpose .
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I don't know Aul Lad. I always felt turning a former place of worship into a drinking den was something of a sacrilege.
 
Nope, you would be wasting your time.

If you are thinking of purchasing a pub do so in Greece or Spain, Irish bars are booming, especially in places like Teneriffe where summer is 24/7.

In Ireland you are faced with huge overheads including energy and licences.
 
Anderson said:
Nope, you would be wasting your time.

If you are thinking of purchasing a pub do so in Greece or Spain, Irish bars are booming, especially in places like Teneriffe where summer is 24/7.

In Ireland you are faced with huge overheads including energy and licences.
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a quality Irish pub is unknown in most of Europe and due to the mad mindset of English landlords who have to give most of their income to the brewery as the brewery's own most of the pubs --they do daft things and you have a class historic building and a well heeled clientele passing the door and what do they do --put in flashing /bell ringing /mad fucker one armed bandits and dart board and never ending mindless darts matches on multiple screens which are in every location and they create white noise with the sick background MUZAK competing with the mindless darts commentary which despite dark threats and loud shouts from me "" do you need to torture your customers """ and the classy atmosphere/building the classy wealthy clients want is trashed by a moron behind the bar .
you will not see this crap in quality Irish pubs and a big microwave and a sack of frozen Cornish pasties is not pub food -- they do not get it at all in the UK.
and Irish pubs in Spain are a bit tacky usually and many are British .
 
Very good nyrresting and thought provoking input, i am glad I started this thread.

Surely buying a place still open would eliminate structural problems
 
And I am not looking at millions. I am looking at a say 400000 euro house with my own private pub attached.
 
Declan said:
And I am not looking at millions. I am looking at a say 400000 euro house with my own private pub attached.
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Are you looking at moving back to Ireland, or just a mere investment?
 
Maybe neither. Using it as a base for private ireland tours
 
Declan said:
Maybe neither. Using it as a base for private ireland tours
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Is there still the nostalgia for the Auld country, or are we moving into the third, fourth or fifth generation where the bloodline is diluted to the extent that the interest has waned?
 
It is the opposite in fact. You see many bemoaning they cant be citizens because it is their great grandparent or before that left Ireland. They see ireland in a complete fantasy of course
 
Declan said:
It is the opposite in fact. You see many bemoaning they cant be citizens because it is their great grandparent or before that left Ireland. They see ireland in a complete fantasy of course
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its the fantasy that brings them -- john wayne and maureen o hara was worth billions to us .
 
AUL LAD said:
its the fantasy that brings them -- john wayne and maureen o hara was worth billions to us .
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Yes, and at the fear of being overly pecuniary, I would like to assist in their happiness
 
Declan said:
It is the opposite in fact. You see many bemoaning they cant be citizens because it is their great grandparent or before that left Ireland. They see ireland in a complete fantasy of course
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one day i was doing the liners at cobh and blarney castle was one of the stops and they all got off except one guy in his 70,s and we got talking and he was black and his family sent him to Europe for a tour before he died-- he soldiered in Korea and elsewhere and got a job in Detroit attaching gearboxes to engines for 25 years and retired to his large house bought cheap when he left the army and now 5 yes FIVE of his children and 3 of them with families occupied the house DEY LETS ME SLEEP IN D BASEMENT ITS KOOL DERE .
i listened to a man who worked all his life and gave everything to his family and country and did not see the purpose in kissing the blarney stone as he said very little anyway -- he was one of the most impressive Americans i ever met and the most humble .
when the liners pull into dunmore east the woman who owns woods town house opens up as the liners give her mad money to let in mature American women who want to see where Jackie Kennedy had a fling with some guy after JFK was killed .
money no object they have to see it .
 
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Ate you still doing tours Sir because I am speaking to someone here about actually running tours to Ireland.
 
AUL LAD said:
when the liners pull into dunmore east the woman who owns woods town house opens up as the liners give her mad money to let in mature American women who want to see where Jackie Kennedy had a fling with some guy after JFK was killed .
money no object the have to see it .
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Holy fuck, if you are as old as @Myles O'Reilly believes you to be, then you could pretend you were the young buck. Say your name is Barney and sell the tour as an oppurtunity to kiss both the Barney and Blarney stones in the same day.

this could be a serious money maker.
 
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Ate you still doing tours Sir because I am speaking to someone here about actually running tours to Ireland.
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still doing tours.
i have the ex rulers of ireland shortly they have a "" RALLY"" every 2 years and i have been looking after them for 32 years .
i have all sorts
Declan said:
Yes, and at the fear of being overly pecuniary, I would like to assist in their happiness
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do they say that in galway -- i do not think it is likely the galway crowd have ever thought it is possible to be overly pecuniary .
 
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Ate you still doing tours Sir because I am speaking to someone here about actually running tours to Ireland.
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i can give you a hand and advice but i am semi retired and i have a few vehicles but nothing less than 10 years old which may place me beyond the needs of your group --but i will be glad to advise/help in any way i can otherwise .
 
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i can give you a hand and advice but i am semi retired and i have a few vehicles but nothing less than 10 years old which may place me beyond the needs of your group --but i will be glad to advise/help in any way i can otherwise .
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Maybe be the most important help I would need is to have a real time gauge into the health of the tourist numbers. We jest had a canadian attacked and he was close to death yesterday.

i saw a company offering a scenic trip down the grand canal as one of their days out. Yamks would not find migrant tents overly scenic
 
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Maybe be the most important help I would need is to have a real time gauge into the health of the tourist numbers. We jest had a canadian attacked and he was close to death yesterday.

i saw a company offering a scenic trip down the grand canal as one of their days out. Yamks would not find migrant tents overly scenic
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there are thousands of tours and family tours to ancestral villages and castles are popular and we do industrial and historical and cultural and craft tours for local tourists who stay in the local hotels .
i have done 3 foreign weddings this year and all bought tours from me --i have university groups and retired army and active retired groups --
there is a mountain of information available from Bord failte and other sources and that will give you an idea of who is on the move .
we declan do not on our lives get involved in providing accommodation as you have to legally provide accommodation/food if any thing goes wrong and between aerlingus and the french air traffic controllers you can go bust in your first week .
 
Ok, lets say I have 7 couples in a nice house in say moate. The mn want to golf onna day and the womn want to to Ailwee caves and The Cliffs. How much wpuld tjat cost.
 
Declan said:
Ok, lets say I have 7 couples in a nice house in say moate. The mn want to golf onna day and the womn want to to Ailwee caves and The Cliffs. How much wpuld tjat cost.
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just google offally coach hire and get a quote for a 15 transit or 24 seater merc or 19 seater sprinter merc would be the best tool for the job .
i have no small vehicles and you should check them out --have they a premises --how long are they in the game did their co name stay the same for the past 30 years or so and so on.
people with no staff no premises but a pair of dark glasses and a hungry smile are not your choice . take time and get to know them .
 
I do not consider myself wealthy,the man las t Saturday worth 10 billion, I would consider him wealthy. But I certainly made money, you cant be a bar owner for 12 years and not have made money, unless you stayed too long and not sell. I sold in 2006 which needless to say was perfect timing .


My instinct tells me to wait a few months here as the EU are highly likely to destroy itself aganst Russia. Then ypu could buy for peanuts in ireland . Tjese pubd are not selling
 

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