"Tommy Robinson" arrested at "March Against Antisemitism" Rally.

[Myles O'Reilly]

So what is this great conspiracy of getting people to attack Islam in the west you two talk of?

And why is it so at odds with what the multi-culti establishment want?

 

[SwordOfStZip]

So what is this great conspiracy of getting people to attack Islam in the west you two talk of?

And why is it so at odds with what the multi-culti establishment want?

There are a whole host of forces at work, stuff around Banking, homosexuality and Zionism (stuff historically opposed by the Far Right in England) being the most obvious, some you would not think of, for instance the UAE (you must have copped that Dubai is a haven for Irish criminals).

How the UAE weaponised western fears of Islam to crush dissent

Abu Dhabi has capitalised on orientalist fears in the West to stigmatise "Islamism" as a catch-all phrase encompassing any form of extremist ideology coming out of Islam

www.middleeasteye.net

Why the UAE is stoking European Islamophobia

Funded by a government with bottomless pockets, this campaign has swayed state policies, destroyed reputations and bankrupted legitimate businesses

www.middleeasteye.net

Is it?

A core problem Tommeh has with Muslims is that Fatimah and Aisha don't open their legs for non-Muslims and Tommeh goes on and on and on about how he is not a racist as if being called a racist is the very worst thing in the world. Tommy has said again and again that he has no trouble with multiculturalism and that his problem is with people taking God seriously.

 

[AN2]

So what is this great conspiracy of getting people to attack Islam in the west you two talk of?

And why is it so at odds with what the multi-culti establishment want?

I'm not sure how much further this can be attempted to be explained to you..

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All nationalists are Islamophobes but not all Islamophobes are nationalists

 

[SwordOfStZip]

All nationalists are Islamophobes but not all Islamophobes are nationalists

Is that true though? The segments of the European Far Right have had a fascination with and liking for Islam going back to the 1920s. Given the reception Patriotic Alternative gave Daniel Haqiqatjou, who is psycho Muslim if ever there was one though he appears now to have fallen victim to other purity spirallers, I would not call them Islamophobic.

 

[AN2]

Is that true though? The segments of the European Far Right have had a fascination with and liking for Islam going back to the 1920s. Given the reception Patriotic Alternative gave Daniel Haqiqatjou, who is psycho Muslim if ever there was one though he appears now to have fallen victim to other purity spirallers, I would not call them Islamophobic.

Yes. Unless you think this isn't Islamophobic


View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/0fhIuZf27yY

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Yes. Unless you think this isn't Islamophobic


View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/0fhIuZf27yY

I don't necessarily.

 

[AN2]

I don't necessarily.

Well I think that not wanting a Muslim in your country would fall within the confines of 'Islamophobia' (and is indeed a more extreme view than Robinson's)

I don't think nationalists have much of a "fascination with and liking for Islam" but they can agree on such as anti-degeneracy (liberalism) and antisemitism

There has been some dabbling with the idea of a, eh, alliance with Muslims, Collett and Woods being examples (neither of whom I think are religious) which other nationalists roundly reject

 

[willows68]

Islam is expansionary. History shows it does not mix well with other cultures. My comparison is that of a pike in a carp pond. Islamophobia was coined by the Muslim Brotherhood as a convenient stick to beat down opposition and must be rejected, as indeed must be Islam itself if one wishes to preserve the achievements of the Enlightenment in the West.
The damage is done - the proverbial Gates of Vienna were breached, and we are now dealing with an enemy in our midst.
I believe this was deliberate - but that is perhaps for a different discussion.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

There has been some dabbling with the idea of a, eh, alliance with Muslims, Collett and Woods being examples (neither of whom I think are religious) which other nationalists roundly reject

They got that idea from where?

 

[AN2]

They got that idea from where?

I would say majoritively their shared antisemitism (and I don't think Islamophilia really plays any role)

 

[SwordOfStZip]

I would say majoritively their shared antisemitism (and I don't think Islamophilia really plays any role)

No they got the idea from the old National Front and the motivation was not primarily shared "antisemitism". It was being inspired by the Iranian Revolution and the influence of Italians like Claudio Mutti and Franco Freda.

https://www.duo.uio.no/bitstream/handle/10852/69156/Masteroppgave_Storli_til_trykk.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

 

[AN2]

No they got the idea from the old National Front and the motivation was not primarily shared "antisemitism". It was being inspired by the Iranian Revolution and the influence of Italians like Claudio Mutti and Franco Freda.

https://www.duo.uio.no/bitstream/handle/10852/69156/Masteroppgave_Storli_til_trykk.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

You are desperate to believe that nationalists are Islamophiles such as yourself, they aren't

And I'm not downloading a PDF

 

[SwordOfStZip]

roc_ will bring up Johann Von Leers who Zionist Jews are obsessed about.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

You are desperate to believe that nationalists are Islamophiles such as yourself, they aren't

And I'm not downloading a PDF

Can you not read PDFs without downloading them on your computer?

 

[AN2]

Can you not read PDFs without downloading them on your computer?

I'm not downloading a PDF to read some obscurantism.

I told you that I think the idea of nationalists (Collett and Woods) for an alliance between nationalists and Moslems would be majoritively based on their shared antisemitism, I'm not particularly interested in what someone who's been dead for a century had to say

 

[SwordOfStZip]

I'm not downloading a PDF to read some obscurantism.

I told you that I think the idea of nationalists for an alliance between them and Moslems would be majoritively based on their shared antisemitism, I'm not particularly interested in what someone who's been dead for a century had to say

The thesis is about the 1980s and 1990s!

Anyway Claudio Mutti, Derek Holland and Franco Freda are all still alive.

 

[AN2]

The thesis is about the 1980s and 1990s!

Anyway Claudio Mutti, Derek Holland and Franco Freda are all still alive.

I live in the current year. I can't think of anyone you ever talk about who's relevant to the white genocide era proper

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Whatever about antisemitism (I don't care for Jews either way) you are spot on regarding people actually getting out and doing things like Tommy does.

In comparison to the useless grifters Sparky and Ms Catherine follow who just post tweets from their living room.

I can't stand those d1ckheads.

Keith Woods is an activist in the National Party. Also action without thought is worse than thought without action.

I am not a fan at all of Mark Collett going back to his time in the BNP HOWEVER Patriotic Alternative is an actual movement that engages in real activism as opposed to the odd protest march which end up being about lads escaping the wife or girl friend and necking back tins.

Also Keith Woods could very easily batter Tommy.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

I live in the current year. I can't think of anyone you ever talk about who's relevant to the white genocide era proper

When did this era start in your opinion?

 

[AN2]

When did this era start in your opinion?

Probably after the Jews won WW2 but it's only become obviously manifest in the last few decades (for Ireland beginning around the turn of the century)

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Secondly, and most of all, they resent someone actually basing real world action on convictions that have come from their own actual real world experience; their own observations unmediated by these online UK and US antisemitic and racist "influncers", the likes of whom tell Jambo and Swords that they are worth something, who reinforce the antisemitic projections and vicious inferiority complexes of this Irish pair of halfwit fantasists.

I hope this does not insult him but the last thing Jambo has is an inferiority complex. And Keith Woods is Irish.

The thing is that fans of Gad Saad and Douglas Murray who are sneaking regarders of Tommeh as well as open fans of Tommeh himself often do have massive inferiority complexes which they try to shield from both themselves and others. There thing against the Muzzies is basically that they feel that Muzzies do not respect the West and therefore them- now before the 1960s a large majority of the planet looked to the West, Rightists like the forget (or else deny by claiming it was all a Jewish conspiracy) that Marxism arose in the West and was a product of Western history, both intellectual and otherwise, however during the 1960s Western culture started making a massive downturn and this had the knock on effects of the Baal Teshuva movement among Jews as well as the "Islamic Revival" and the rise of Hindutva.

That gets into another thing- Hindus and worst type of Jews (and I have much more respect for the worst type of Jews than I do for Hindus) can put on an act of being of ingratiating even servile in a very sly sycophantic manner while as Muzzies in actually a very clumsy typically masculine way are not good at such carry on at all and have instinctive problems with engaging it, at least nearly all types of Muslims. Of course often Hindus and not unoften Jews have a much deeper and unnuanced contempt for the West than you can find among the vast majority of Muslims, even the vast majority of genuinely psycho Muslims. Nietzsche's critque of Nationalism applies to them usually at least.

With Jambo and certainly with the majority of those he considers valid Nationalists (my view on who is and who is not a Nationalist is a significantly wider than his) things are more complex, often a lot more so.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Islam is expansionary. History shows it does not mix well with other cultures. My comparison is that of a pike in a carp pond. Islamophobia was coined by the Muslim Brotherhood as a convenient stick to beat down opposition and must be rejected, as indeed must be Islam itself if one wishes to preserve the achievements of the Enlightenment in the West.
The damage is done - the proverbial Gates of Vienna were breached, and we are now dealing with an enemy in our midst.
I believe this was deliberate - but that is perhaps for a different discussion.

Who is the Egyptian Army in the context of Western Europe?

 

[willows68]

Who is the Egyptian Army in the context of Western Europe?

I didn't mention the Egyptian army. They are in many ways diametrically opposed to the MB.
May I remind everyone of the Muslim Brotherhood's motto:

God is our goal
The Prophet is our Leader
The Quran is our constitution
Jihad is our way
Death in the service of God
is the loftiest of our wishes
God is Great(est) God is Great (est)

Since their beginnings in 1920's Egypt , arguably when Islam itself was at its lowest ebb they have infiltrated every Western nation, are in every town borough and hamlet
Very clever, longterm strategy - I'll not deny - in their pursuit of having every mouth on Earth assert that their God is Greatest - turning Dar al Harb into Dar as Salaam ( the house of war into the house of peace, forgive the spelling)
That in and of itself makes them very dangerous people and a direct threat to religious autonomy everywhere especially 'The West'.
Perhaps you are familiar with Hamed abdel Samad, an Egyptian scholar who requires 24/7 armed protection for daring to shine a light on some very ugly cans of worms.
Islam is indeed the pike in the carp pond and we are like the pond owner wondering where his fish went - daily stabbings, rapes, murder. It is a numbers game - what will you do when they knock on your door to demand jizya? Call the police? The army? There are hundreds of thousands of them on this island alone.
The odds are not good for those who love liberty.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

I didn't mention the Egyptian army. They are in many ways diametrically opposed to the MB.
May I remind everyone of the Muslim Brotherhood's motto:

I know you did not- that was the point. The Egyptian Army is the actual enemy of the Muslim Brotherhood and their battle is why Egypt which has so much potential is so retarded.

"The Quran is the Consitution and Jihad is our Methodolgy" was a slogan of Hamas and not the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood- the idea of the Quran as the Consitution rather than the "Sunnah" would be considered very "Modernist".

All Christians believe- Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox- that death in the service of God is the loftiest of our wishes. It scares me that you see this concept as a bad thing.

 

[willows68]

I know you did not- that was the point. The Egyptian Army is the actual enemy of the Muslim Brotherhood and their battle is why Egypt which has so much potential is so retarded.

"The Quran is the Consitution and Jihad is our Methodolgy" was a slogan of Hamas and not the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood- the idea of the Quran as the Consitution rather than the "Sunnah" would be considered very "Modernist".

All Christians believe- Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox- that death in the service of God is the loftiest of our wishes. It scares me that you see this concept as a bad thing.

Again I did not say that. Death in the defense of one's homeland, way of life and religious self determination is noble and honourable. As old as I am - I'd rather die defending this soil than live as a slave on it. I'd last about a minute.
What I object to are vast hordes of culturally and religiously incompatible enemy combattants admitted without checks or balances to my ancestor's homelands. That goes against all healthy human instinct.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Again I did not say that. Death in the defense of one's homeland, way of life and religious self determination is noble and honourable. As old as I am - I'd rather die defending this soil than live as a slave on it.
What I object to are vast hordes of culturally and religiously incompatible enemy combattants admitted without checks or balances to my ancestor's homelands. That goes against all healthy human instinct.

Do you honestly believe that Islam stands any chance of taking over Western Europe?

 

[willows68]

Do you honestly believe that Islam stands any chance of taking over Western Europe?

Their jihad is carried out through the wombs of their women. Their words, not mine.
We have largely lost our Faith, the bulwark which prevented them in Tours, in Vienna, in Lepanto etc.
They outbreed us 8 to 1.
T'is a mathematical certainty.
I don't witness a watering down effect of them experiencing 'Western' culture - which has become to degenerate in some instances, one must ask the question whether we ought to survive.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Their jihad is carried out through the wombs of their women. Their words, not mine.
We have largely lost our Faith, the bulwark which prevented them in Tours, in Vienna, in Lepanto etc.
They outbreed us 8 to 1.
T'is a mathematical certainty.
I don't witness a watering down effect of them experiencing 'Western' culture - which has become to degenerate in some instances, one must ask the question whether we ought to survive.

Having the majority does not mean having power- France has the largest Muslim population in Western Europe, and hey ho the French State hardcore oppresses and represses Muslims doing stuff that Tommeh does not advocate in the UK.

 

[willows68]

Having the majority does not mean having power- France has the largest Muslim population in Western Europe, and hey ho the French State hardcore oppresses and represses Muslims doing stuff that Tommeh does not advocate in the UK.

Fair comment. But they are playing the long game. Majority hasn't as yet been reached a few cities excluded. On va voir, as they say, what happens when they do.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Fair comment. But they are playing the long game. Majority hasn't as yet been reached a few cities excluded. On va voir, as they say, what happens when they do.

You really believe Muslims are capable of stuff I don't- especially in France where those of quality move away after University in general.

 

[willows68]

You really believe Muslims are capable of stuff I don't- especially in France where those of quality move away after University in general.

Hope you're right, genuinely.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

A core problem Tommeh has

I've told you before, Tommy's from the south. People in the south of England don't speak like that.

Please don't use that nonsensical spelling again.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

roc_ will bring up Johann Von Leers who Zionist Jews are obsessed about.

He's been abusing you again today Miss, calling you an old man with grey testicles.

Why do you put up with such misogyny?

 

[AN2]

You really believe Muslims are capable of stuff I don't- especially in France where those of quality move away after University in general.

Having the majority does not mean having power- France has the largest Muslim population in Western Europe, and hey ho the French State hardcore oppresses and represses Muslims doing stuff that Tommeh does not advocate in the UK.

If Moslems think they're oppressed and repressed in white countries then they know where to go (home), same for all racial aliens

Of course, they don't, they all stay, because their homelands are shitholes and in fact, in white countries they're privileged over the natives

 

[SwordOfStZip]

He's been abusing you again today Miss, calling you an old man with grey testicles.

Why do you put up with such misogyny?

He is a a reminder to you and others of what Tommy Robinson stands for and the contempt that Tommy Robinson has for most of his supporters, especially the indigenous English and actually working class ones.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Hope you're right, genuinely.

How am I not right? Houria Bouteldja attempted to give Muslims in France leadership and failed utterly. Of course though you still have the thing where North Africans from Muslim backgrounds or Muslims have kids and the indigenous French don't.

 

[willows68]

How am I not right? Houria Bouteldja attempted to give Muslims in France leadership and failed utterly. Of course though you still have the thing where North Africans from Muslim backgrounds or Muslims have kids and the indigenous French don't.

That was my point. The indigenous aren't reproducing due to feminism and economic pressures to boil it down for brevity as I'm only on a short break. Add to that the clotshot and associated infertility, their numbers game works out. Will France be France? A look at the shitholes they 'fled' from suggests not so much. But that is all intentional, ofc.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

That was my point. The indigenous aren't reproducing due to feminism and economic pressures to boil it down for brevity as I'm only on a short break. Add to that the clotshot and associated infertility, their numbers game works out. Will France be France? A look at the shitholes they 'fled' from suggests not so much. But that is all intentional, ofc.

Why does the economic pressures thing not stop the North Africans from reproducing?

France, though not it alone is not to blame, is a major cause of North Africa being the "shit hole" it is today but France- the French ruling class don't see any real difference between France and their former colonies. They really are still living in their Empire.

The major problem for me is the South binding itself to France through infatuation with EU, a place most Irish people think they know a lot about but actually don't, and this is going to end in tragedy.

 

[AN2]

Why does the economic pressures thing not stop the North Africans from reproducing?

France, though not it alone is not to blame, is a major cause of North Africa being the "shit hole" it is today but France- the French ruling class don't see any real difference between France and their former colonies. They really are still living in their Empire.

The major problem for me is the South binding itself to France through infatuation with EU, a place most Irish people think they know a lot about but actually don't, and this is going to end in tragedy.

Race deniers like you are utterly hopeless

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Race deniers like you are utterly hopeless

Where is the race denial in that post?

I am in favour of "isolationism"- which is the historic Irish Nationalist position and not necessarily a left wing one, it was actually the Hard Right who coined the phrase "Don't Invade the World and don't Invite the World" which sums up my position.