US tariffs

[Mad as Fish]

Trump imposing such a wide sweeping range of stiff tariffs upon the rest of the world is akin to lobbing a hand grenade into aunty's fish pond, what will we see dead in the water and and how is the remaining ecology going to adapt?

The BBC, for all its faults, published a brief summary


In a background call before Trump's speech, a senior White House official told reporters that the president would impose a "baseline" tariff on all imports to the US.
That rate is set at 10% and will go into effect on 5 April.
It is the companies that bring the foreign goods into the US that have to pay the tax to the government, although this could have knock-on effects to consumers.
Some countries will only face the base rate. These include:

• United Kingdom
• Singapore
• Brazil
• Australia
• New Zealand
• Turkey
• Colombia
• Argentina
• El Salvador
• United Arab Emirates
• Saudi Arabia

Custom tariffs for 'worst offenders'​

White House officials also said that they would impose what they describe as specific reciprocal tariffs on roughly 60 of the "worst offenders".
These will go into effect on 9 April.
Trump's officials say these countries charge higher tariffs on US goods, impose "non-tariff" barriers to US trade or have otherwise acted in ways they feel undermine American economic goals.
The key trading partners subject to these customised tariff rates include:

• European Union: 20%
• China: 54%
• Vietnam: 46%
• Thailand: 36%
• Japan: 24%
• Cambodia: 49%
• South Africa: 30%
• Taiwan: 32%

For the time being Canada and Mexico are not affected by any further tariffs.

Donald Trump's tariffs on China, EU and more, at a glance

Besides a 10% rate globally, some countries billed as "worst offenders" have higher rates including 104% for China.

www.bbc.com

 

[Declan]

He set the tariffs at half of what these countries are so in a few weeks they double.

But he will not need to, all countries are smart enough to buckle except, guess

 

[Mad as Fish]

Trump imposing such a wide sweeping range of stiff tariffs upon the rest of the world is akin to lobbing a hand grenade into aunty's fish pond, what will we see dead in the water and and how is the remaining ecology going to adapt?

The BBC, for all its faults, published a brief summary


In a background call before Trump's speech, a senior White House official told reporters that the president would impose a "baseline" tariff on all imports to the US.
That rate is set at 10% and will go into effect on 5 April.
It is the companies that bring the foreign goods into the US that have to pay the tax to the government, although this could have knock-on effects to consumers.
Some countries will only face the base rate. These include:

• United Kingdom
• Singapore
• Brazil
• Australia
• New Zealand
• Turkey
• Colombia
• Argentina
• El Salvador
• United Arab Emirates
• Saudi Arabia

Custom tariffs for 'worst offenders'​

White House officials also said that they would impose what they describe as specific reciprocal tariffs on roughly 60 of the "worst offenders".
These will go into effect on 9 April.
Trump's officials say these countries charge higher tariffs on US goods, impose "non-tariff" barriers to US trade or have otherwise acted in ways they feel undermine American economic goals.
The key trading partners subject to these customised tariff rates include:

• European Union: 20%
• China: 54%
• Vietnam: 46%
• Thailand: 36%
• Japan: 24%
• Cambodia: 49%
• South Africa: 30%
• Taiwan: 32%

For the time being Canada and Mexico are not affected by any further tariffs.

Donald Trump's tariffs on China, EU and more, at a glance

Besides a 10% rate globally, some countries billed as "worst offenders" have higher rates including 104% for China.

www.bbc.com

The main takeaways are the divisions that will be created within the EU as it notes that the UK is just half the rate, and his all out economic war on Asia, especially China. There is going to be an awful lot of wailing as iPhones shoot up in price.

 

[Mad as Fish]

He set the tariffs at half of what these countries are so in a few weeks they double.

But he will not need to, all countries are smart enough to buckle except, guess

'Buckle', in what way?

 

[Declan]

they will remove their tarifs on the US, if they know what is good for them. the EU and Irish will not, and will be destroyed.

 

[Mad as Fish]

they will remove their tarifs on the US, if they know what is good for them. the EU and Irish will not, and will be destroyed.

I'm not so sure, but have a days work here, so will be back on this point.

 

[Tiger]

I was chatting to a friend who works at pharmaceuticals company in Dublin yesterday.

I asked about the tariffs affecting his company and he just laughed. He says that a month ago they did a deal with the Indian government which opens them up to another 2 billion people. Literally a quarter of the population of the world in one deal.He says that they don’t need the American market. It’s tiny.

 

[clarke-connolly]

Why did America allow the situation, to be as it has been, for so long ?

Kinda mad to let every Gob-Shite Fucker from around the world ~ ~ To Tarriff you, and not Tariff them ? !

 

[Tiger]

The obvious presumption is that we are seeing a controlled and purposeful implosion of the world economy.

It’s theatre.

 

[clarke-connolly]

The obvious presumption is that we are seeing a controlled and purposeful implosion of the world economy.

It’s theatre.

Certainly planned by the American Deep-State / Dark-State = = Or else it wouldn't be happening, Trump or no Trump ! !

The Politicians are only allowed to operate within the parameters set by the American Deep-State / Dark-State !

If the Politicians step outside of those ~ ~ The Politicians will be stopped one way or another ! !

 

[Mad as Fish]

I was chatting to a friend who works at pharmaceuticals company in Dublin yesterday.

I asked about the tariffs affecting his company and he just laughed. He says that a month ago they did a deal with the Indian government which opens them up to another 2 billion people. Literally a quarter of the population of the world in one deal.He says that they don’t need the American market. It’s tiny.

I read somewhere this morning that pharmaceuticals are not included, at the moment anyway.

 

[Tiger]

I read somewhere this morning that pharmaceuticals are not included, at the moment anyway.

Most major pharmaceutical companies have more influence and power than any politician.

 

[Tiger]

With the UK tariffs being half of the EU’s rate, I imagine that many Irish companies will simply open an office in Northern Ireland and do business from there.

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

I remember in my youthful ignorance, about 6 years ago, buying a lovely AGFA vintage 120 medium format camera from the USA. Over-engineered 1950s West German manufactured, an economy high on US largesse of Marshall Plan money. Such a sweet folding camera of 6x6 delight. It came from a camera guy in the US who had restored vintage camera to be as good as the day the German technicians had sent it out the door. It was steep in price as I recall... around 300 quid. I waited excitedly for it to come across the Atlantic once more. Sure enough, it arrived and I was notified by a Post Office slip through the door and off to the Sorting Office to collect, only to be informed i'd have to pay nearly 90 pounds more. WTF? I had not realise that importing such an item would be subject to a tariff.

I'm sure the British government were delighted that they were coining it from my expensive hobby. I'd have bought it here if there had been one available or if there were people with the skills to restore such vintage mechanical devices. But there weren't. I could get any God's amounts of Chinese shite with expensive Japanese brand names in Curry's.

In this regard, I can see why the US might want to tariff things, if other countries have being do that on them for years.

 

[Tiger]

I remember in my youthful ignorance, about 6 years ago, buying a lovely AGFA vintage 120 medium format camera from the USA. Over-engineered 1950s West German manufactured, an economy high on US largesse of Marshall Plan money. Such a sweet folding camera of 6x6 delight. It came from a camera guy in the US who had restored vintage camera to be as good as the day as German technicians had sent it out the door. It was was steep in price as I recall... around 300 quid. I waited excitedly for it come across the Atlantic once more. Sure it arrived and I was notified by a Post Office slip through the door and off to the Sorting Office to collect, only to be informed i'd have pay nearly 90 pounds more. WTF? I had not realize that importing such an item would be subject to a tariff.

I'm sure the British government were delighted that they were coining it from my expensive hobby. I'd have bought it here if there had been one available or if there were people with the skills to restore such vintage mechanical devices. But there weren't. I could get any Gods amounts of Chinese shite with expensive Japanese brand names in Curry's.

In this regard, I can see why the US might want to tariff things, if other countries have being do that on them for years.

I have an old Hasselblad.

It’s hard to beat medium format.

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

I have an old Hasselblad.

It’s hard to beat medium format.

sweet. 500cm? It would take a second mortgage to put film through it and get them developed nowadays. I dabbled a bit in dark room stuff but never developed my skills sufficiently

 

[Mad as Fish]

With the UK tariffs being half of the EU’s rate, I imagine that many Irish companies will simply open an office in Northern Ireland and do business from there.

This is an interesting one. There are a lot of manufacturing companies struggling at present and bankruptcies are expected, I should imagine a good few will be blamed on tariffs rather than the general downturn in trading levels. Makers of agricultural machinery should not be too badly affected by the tariffs as the US is not a target market for them, it's the wrong side of the equator.

 

[Tiger]

sweet. 500cm? It would take a second mortgage to put film through it and get them developed nowadays. I dabbled a bit in dark room stuff but never developed my skills sufficiently

Yeah, a 500c Carl Zeiss.

I haven’t used it for years. I used to go to a place on Lennox street called Photolabs that developed 120 film.

They’d provide a contact sheet relatively cheaply and then I’d select the images that I wanted to print.

 

[Mad as Fish]

I have an old Hasselblad.

It’s hard to beat medium format.

I cut my teeth in wedding photography on a pair of Bronicas with just three fixed lenses. Was given 20 rolls of Kodak (300 shots) was expected to use 10 (150 shots) and 80 were meat to be good enough to show the bride (read brides mother who was usually paying for it). Oh, and everything was done with a light meter. You learnt to do things properly back then.

 

[Tiger]

I cut my teeth in wedding photography on a pair of Bronicas with just three fixed lenses. Was given 20 rolls of Kodak (300 shots) was expected to use 10 (150 shots) and 80 were meat to be good enough to show the bride (read brides mother who was usually paying for it). Oh, and everything was done with a light meter. You learnt to do things properly back then.

Yikes.

Wedding photography is not for the faint hearted. I helped out a friend a few times with some wedding photography. We were using digital cameras and it was still very stressful. I can’t imagine what the pressure would be like with a film camera and a separate light reader.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Seeing that the UK is being treated 'favorably' by its supposed best friend I should think there will more pressure for EU exits over the coming months. Fond of Lying is probably of the idea that she is seen as a glorious leader navigating her beloved empire through these stormy seas. I doubt that it is a universal view of the situation.

 

[Tiger]

No politician would be allowed to do this without the backing of the banking fraternity.

Someone wants the house of cards to fall.

Global markets in turmoil as Trump tariffs wipe $2.5tn off Wall Street

Economists say levies of between 10% and 50% have dramatically added to the risk of a worldwide downturn

www.theguardian.com

 

[Wolf]

Who is this gowl to warn anyone?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5PRbupFhhE


Fucking piano in the background......

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

'....President Von Der Leyden...'

I don't remember voting for President Von Der Leyden.

 

[jpc]

'....President Von Der Leyden...'

I don't remember voting for President Von Der Leyden.

Damn right we didn't.

 

[Neptune]

Who is this gowl to warn anyone?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5PRbupFhhE


Fucking piano in the background......

He needs to watch out for a chin "tariff'

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Does anyone know of good critiques of some of the arguments below?

Trump’s Absurd Trade Policies Will Impoverish Americans and Harm the World

U.S. President Donald Trump is trashing the world trade system over a basic economic fallacy. He wrongly claims that America’s trade deficit is caused by the rest of the world ripping off the U.S., repeatedly stating things such as, “Over the decades, they ripped us off like no country has never...

www.unz.com

Trump’s Trade Policies: A Fast Track to Economic Ruin

NIMA ALKHORSHID: Hi, everybody. Today is Thursday, April 3rd, 2025, and our friends, Michael Hudson and Richard Wolfer back with us. Welcome back. Let's talk about the Liberation Day and the new tariffs on each and every country on this planet. And here is what the press secretary, the White...

www.unz.com

 

[clarke-connolly]

Does anyone know of good critiques of some of the arguments below?

Trump’s Absurd Trade Policies Will Impoverish Americans and Harm the World

U.S. President Donald Trump is trashing the world trade system over a basic economic fallacy. He wrongly claims that America’s trade deficit is caused by the rest of the world ripping off the U.S., repeatedly stating things such as, “Over the decades, they ripped us off like no country has never...

www.unz.com

Trump’s Trade Policies: A Fast Track to Economic Ruin

NIMA ALKHORSHID: Hi, everybody. Today is Thursday, April 3rd, 2025, and our friends, Michael Hudson and Richard Wolfer back with us. Welcome back. Let's talk about the Liberation Day and the new tariffs on each and every country on this planet. And here is what the press secretary, the White...

www.unz.com

I suppose it's a bit beyond my expertise ~ ~ But if Trump's Policies are upsetting the, Usual Suspects / Correct Suspects / Annoying Suspects / Globalist Suspects / General Suspects, then maybe they are Good Policies !

These things take time to play out ~ I suppose it depends on whether the American Deep-State / Dark-State are really behind them or not ? !

 

[Donald J Trump]

Vietnam one of the first countries to bow to Trump, offering to do what it takes.

Trump is a genius, his masterful tackling of the world with these tariffs will make America great again and cripple countries like Ireland who have been lazy and not invested in their own industries and country.

 

[it_is_what_it_is]

Does anyone know of good critiques of some of the arguments below?

Trump’s Absurd Trade Policies Will Impoverish Americans and Harm the World

U.S. President Donald Trump is trashing the world trade system over a basic economic fallacy. He wrongly claims that America’s trade deficit is caused by the rest of the world ripping off the U.S., repeatedly stating things such as, “Over the decades, they ripped us off like no country has never...

www.unz.com

Trump’s Trade Policies: A Fast Track to Economic Ruin

NIMA ALKHORSHID: Hi, everybody. Today is Thursday, April 3rd, 2025, and our friends, Michael Hudson and Richard Wolfer back with us. Welcome back. Let's talk about the Liberation Day and the new tariffs on each and every country on this planet. And here is what the press secretary, the White...

www.unz.com

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAyricurDKg


I did not read any of these, sorry, I do not have the mindspace for such right now. The reality is most of the talking heads do not know what they are talking about in the first place. This was default democratic talking points before they where completely corrupted, where they likely did not believe such in the first place, talking points was all it was, not a real and practical economic vision, more a not what the others side of the political spectrum is doing in the now at the time.

I am not going to go into how the whole system regards Europe or the US and how it has been completely been suborned at this point in time to corruption. The issue is regards the globe, as in every one else, they do not know what Trump and his people will do next, this creates potential instability, and this is what can spiral.

This means that people and countries do not know what to do with their money or finance and production in general. They are scared. You see the south koreans and the chinese and the japanese talking to each other, who all hate each other at an ethnic level, as again they do not know anything other then the current status quo of the last fifty years or so. Where fuck the Europeans, they have bought into a globalist system that would have always up ended itself if not lead from those that have a duty of care and the concept of noblesse oblige, that is gone long ago. And so it ends up with things like supporting Ukraine to kill itself so they can pat themselves on the head for whatever short term effect it will have. None of these people can think long term, or even understand such a concept.

If we assume, which I do, that he will try to pull back industry to America, a sound and sensible thing to do, where I would do exactly that if I was running the country, then it will have an effect on the rest of the world for obvious reasons. The US cannot continue to be the underwriter to all others, when it has China as a better reflection on production or Russia regards military means of late, especially when the Europeans have all lost their collective minds regards any of such. It needs to build back, and pull back all these industries, or it will end up doing the one thing it has never done, default on it's currency, like every other system before. The reason the dollar is considered sound like no other is such has never happened, it was close before a century ago, where they do not have people like Morgan to bail them out, the disparity of debt to wealth is too high, ye need hard assets again.

Again, they do not know what he is going to do, as they do not believe what he is saying. I think he is true to his word to a point, where he wants others to bend the knee, not forgetting countries that have slighted him, which is spastics with notions that have drank too much of the Kool-Aid.

The thing in the back of my mind is something other though, and that is if there is going to be a serious war in the middle east, like Iran, what you want to do is make sure you have the production capacity to be as sound as possible in the US. You cannot rely on others in such a case with regards the actions there of the tribe, not saying such is true, but again if I was thinking on such, this is what I would do regards building up resilience and ability regards such, as such would be very different to invading Iraq, but that is my schizo take.

 

[Declan]

Ireland has buckled already and are begging for special treatment

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Ireland has buckled already and are begging for special treatment

Link or it hasn't happened

 

[Declan]

Why do ya think Guy Smiley is coming to see Howard Lutnick next Wednesday but to grovel and beg

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Guy Smiley?

 

[Mad as Fish]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAyricurDKg


I did not read any of these, sorry, I do not have the mindspace for such right now. The reality is most of the talking heads do not know what they are talking about in the first place. This was default democratic talking points before they where completely corrupted, where they likely did not believe such in the first place, talking points was all it was, not a real and practical economic vision, more a not what the others side of the political spectrum is doing in the now at the time.

I am not going to go into how the whole system regards Europe or the US and how it has been completely been suborned at this point in time to corruption. The issue is regards the globe, as in every one else, they do not know what Trump and his people will do next, this creates potential instability, and this is what can spiral.

This means that people and countries do not know what to do with their money or finance and production in general. They are scared. You see the south koreans and the chinese and the japanese talking to each other, who all hate each other at an ethnic level, as again they do not know anything other then the current status quo of the last fifty years or so. Where fuck the Europeans, they have bought into a globalist system that would have always up ended itself if not lead from those that have a duty of care and the concept of noblesse oblige, that is gone long ago. And so it ends up with things like supporting Ukraine to kill itself so they can pat themselves on the head for whatever short term effect it will have. None of these people can think long term, or even understand such a concept.

If we assume, which I do, that he will try to pull back industry to America, a sound and sensible thing to do, where I would do exactly that if I was running the country, then it will have an effect on the rest of the world for obvious reasons. The US cannot continue to be the underwriter to all others, when it has China as a better reflection on production or Russia regards military means of late, especially when the Europeans have all lost their collective minds regards any of such. It needs to build back, and pull back all these industries, or it will end up doing the one thing it has never done, default on it's currency, like every other system before. The reason the dollar is considered sound like no other is such has never happened, it was close before a century ago, where they do not have people like Morgan to bail them out, the disparity of debt to wealth is too high, ye need hard assets again.

Again, they do not know what he is going to do, as they do not believe what he is saying. I think he is true to his word to a point, where he wants others to bend the knee, not forgetting countries that have slighted him, which is spastics with notions that have drank too much of the Kool-Aid.

The thing in the back of my mind is something other though, and that is if there is going to be a serious war in the middle east, like Iran, what you want to do is make sure you have the production capacity to be as sound as possible in the US. You cannot rely on others in such a case with regards the actions there of the tribe, not saying such is true, but again if I was thinking on such, this is what I would do regards building up resilience and ability regards such, as such would be very different to invading Iraq, but that is my schizo take.

The reality is most of the talking heads do not know what they are talking about in the first place.

The absolute truth of it, but the media needs 'content' so we have suffer these intolerable fools.

 

[jpc]

The reality is most of the talking heads do not know what they are talking about in the first place.

The absolute truth of it, but the media needs 'content' so we have suffer these intolerable fools.

And as it happens the legacy media is another collective of insufferable fools.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Trump gives the impression that American manufacturing is in terminal decline and it needs drastic action to turn it around, the chart below suggests otherwise. It might be static over the last couple of years and that may mean it's being left behind, but it is not dropping off a cliff as we are led to assume.

Industrial Production - 100 Year Historical Chart

This interactive chart tracks the Federal Reserve's Industrial Production Index, which measures real output for all facilities located in the United States manufacturing, mining, and electric, and gas utilities (excluding those in U.S. territories).

www.macrotrends.net

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

they will remove their tarifs on the US, if they know what is good for them. the EU and Irish will not, and will be destroyed.

Yes, the EU was expressly established to be an economic competitor to the US. Tariffs will end that, not that the EU has ever managed its books well in any case.

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

EU Hit From Both Sides - Vox Popoli

The EU’s reaction to getting a taste of its own medicine is downright humorous: So, just to be clear, the EU is now going to a) fight a shooting war with Russia, b) fight an economic war with the USA, and c) fight an economic war with China. I strongly recommend exiting the so-called Union […]

voxday.net

 

[SwordOfStZip]

I suppose it's a bit beyond my expertise ~ ~ But if Trump's Policies are upsetting the, Usual Suspects / Correct Suspects / Annoying Suspects / Globalist Suspects / General Suspects, then maybe they are Good Policies !

Uh the most hatefilled Feminists are mad against Transgenderism- does that mean that we should think that maybe Transgenderism is okay because of that?