THE EFFECT ON IRELAND OF THE IMPENDING COLLAPSE OF THE UK ECONOMY.

[BIG FAT HOOR]

Many financial experts and worldwide jourlinasts and politicians are warning about the collapse of the French economy due to a myriad of reasons including losing control of the metals and assets in the west African countries which have revolted against France .
however the state of the UK economy is described as imminent disaster and even government propaganda like the guardian have stated Rachel Reeves requires cash urgently to keep the doors open and 50 billion is the emergency sum mentioned to temporarily keep the wolf from the door .
Also various strategy's to cope with the emergency have been discussed and following the transfer of 9 billion from the duke of Westminster to his son where no tax was paid on the transfer ,
lately following his unexpected death at 64 .
it has prompted an examination of a 2% wealth tax which we are told would bring in 24 billion annually .
we have the insane picture of the despised starmer strutting the world stage doing his best to start a war with Russia and spending billions in Ukraine as his proxy and planning with British military vast terrorist schemes like the invasion of Kursk to blow up 2 nuclear power stations to topple the Russian government.,
this is now known by all to be a British operation which would have poisoned millions and left an area the size of Europe uninhabitable and being a nuclear attack on a sovereign Russia by a foreign government would have caused a nuclear exchange 30 miles from our shores .
they are stark raving mad and do not currently know how to manage their economy .
we have a common trade /living space where people are allowed to move freely .
what is the chance of at least a million people coming here to avail of our dole which is a multiple of the uk when she blows and riots start as it is reported 3 million marched inn London last weekend and England is ready to blow .
there is not a shadow government the Israelis saw to it that starmer was elected and the Tories are weak and despised what is left has the intellect of a migrant inflatable dingy.
Britain is on the boil and is fucked also financially -- look out for trouble when the English who are a nation of robbers cast around for a solution as history teaches us.

 

[willows68]

It won't come to nuclear...But yea - we screwed. Bigly.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

It is reported 3 million marched inn London last weekend.

They were trying to say only 100k turned up when it was clear from the aeriel shots that it was way bigger than that.

 

[clarke-connolly]

They were trying to say only 100k turned up when it was clear from the aeriel shots that it was way bigger than that.

Western Governments are telling Blatant Lies to Western People !

And Main Stream Western Media is Lying for these Governments ! ! !

Surely this is Totalitarianism = = It's just that Normies don't even know that they are under Totalitarian Control !

 

[jpc]

Well on the question.
We're going to be in a lot of bother to put it mildly.

 

[Jay Homer Simpson]

Imagine how fucked Ireland would be since 2021 without the tax scam of corporation tax ? Paddy has been on a binge 1000 times worse than the Celtic tiger binge the past few years, but he doesn't know it yet.

 

[jpc]

Imagine how fucked Ireland would be since 2021 without the tax scam of corporation tax ? Paddy has been on a binge 1000 times worse than the Celtic tiger binge the past few years, but he doesn't know it yet.

Not going to be a pretty reality.

 

[Anderson]

Sadly despite Brexit, Ireland still imports most of its food products from the UK, I would have hoped we could have started to import more from the EU and have a better European selection but alas our attchment to the UK means whatever they do we will follow. Even if it is into the abyss and beyond.

 

[willows68]

Sadly despite Brexit, Ireland still imports most of its food products from the UK, I would have hoped we could have started to import more from the EU and have a better European selection but alas our attchment to the UK means whatever they do we will follow. Even if it is into the abyss and beyond.

Our ruling classes hate the Irish and are only in it to feather own nests and carry out globalist orders.
Otherwise we would be nigh self-sufficient food and energywise with an excellent public transport system that other small nations seem to be able to produce. Perhaps the odd NP to keep lecky prices affordable.
Plenty jobs in all of that too.
Instead we've come to the precipice - winter is coming and we figuratively danced all summer. Maybe that is why every Western country pushes their version of a euthanasia bill....

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Sadly despite Brexit, Ireland still imports most of its food products from the UK.

Surely we don't import much food products from anywhere. Can't we feed ourselves?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

"NP" Lady Willow?

 

[clarke-connolly]

"NP" Lady Willow?

Nuclear Power, I reckon.

 

[Anderson]

Surely we don't import much food products from anywhere. Can't we feed ourselves?

You would be amazed how the food system works, even for home produced items they require things from abroad like packaging etc. Its such a pathetic globalist system that means we rely on other countries. We even export our own beef and import foreign beef.

The bulk of Ireland's poultry imports come from mainland Europe and the UK.

Where is our chicken coming from?

Ireland imported around 135,000t of poultry last year, but which countries are shipping here? Amy Fitzgibbon reports.

www.farmersjournal.ie

Ireland imported 30,000t of beef last year - but where from?

New figures have revealed where Ireland imported the most beef from last year.

www.farmersjournal.ie

 

[willows68]

Surely we don't import much food products from anywhere. Can't we feed ourselves?

We shouldn't have to - but we do. Add to that the infernal mercosur deal....you really don't know what your eating anymore. Buying local helps but it comes at a price, and with the cost of things these days...
Oh yea - NP is nuclear power, in my opinion the more sustainable option to guarantee even supply and low cost ( aint ever going to happen but a girl can dream...just got my elec. bill and had to sit down. And that was for bloody summer)

 

[Mad as Fish]

Sadly despite Brexit, Ireland still imports most of its food products from the UK, I would have hoped we could have started to import more from the EU and have a better European selection but alas our attchment to the UK means whatever they do we will follow. Even if it is into the abyss and beyond.

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That’s more a question of consumer choice, but then it could be argued that we are not being given much of a choice.

 

[Mad as Fish]

You would be amazed how the food system works, even for home produced items they require things from abroad like packaging etc. Its such a pathetic globalist system that means we rely on other countries. We even export our own beef and import foreign beef.

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The bulk of Ireland's poultry imports come from mainland Europe and the UK.

Where is our chicken coming from?

Ireland imported around 135,000t of poultry last year, but which countries are shipping here? Amy Fitzgibbon reports.

www.farmersjournal.ie

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Ireland imported 30,000t of beef last year - but where from?

New figures have revealed where Ireland imported the most beef from last year.

www.farmersjournal.ie

Going to be a lot more next year as beef prices have encouraged farmers to sell their animals earlier than normal, meaning that there won’t be much left in the spring.

 

[scolairebocht]

For example all Irish bread is milled abroad, we have no commercial flour mills in Ireland anymore.

 

[jpc]

Going to be a lot more next year as beef prices have encouraged farmers to sell their animals earlier than normal, meaning that there won’t be much left in the spring.

The suckler herds gone way down.
Another thing.
The live sales to European markets are having a big impact as well.

 

[clarke-connolly]

The Pig-Shit is heading for the Fan ! ! !


View: https://twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1968575795992940659

 

[nobody knows I'm a dog]

We shouldn't have to - but we do. Add to that the infernal mercosur deal....you really don't know what your eating anymore. Buying local helps but it comes at a price, and with the cost of things these days...
Oh yea - NP is nuclear power, in my opinion the more sustainable option to guarantee even supply and low cost ( aint ever going to happen but a girl can dream...just got my elec. bill and had to sit down. And that was for bloody summer)

It might be just as well we don't get the auld NP. I reckon Ireland is too corrupt a country to do nuclear power safely, e.g. pyrite in the reactor or some shite like that, and we don't have any vast wilderness where we could stuff any waste material under a mountain.

 

[BIG FAT HOOR]

For example all Irish bread is milled abroad, we have no commercial flour mills in Ireland anymore.

we are told our flour is too coarse and our sheep fleece is rough as a badgers h---.
garoid Dunne is the chief European salesman for Dawn meats and he with a laptop sold beef by the pallet in France first then when he sorted France h e went to Italy when he established a market for Irish meat in Italy he went to Spain and he currently lives in Madrid and is married to a Spanish lady from Galicia .
he started small on his own and Irish meat is grass fed and commands a premium --I have photos of Irish food being sold in Italy and its in a very exclusive yacht harbour where the very wealthy meet and eat and the top of the food tree is Irish beef .
I will send you some photos when I dig them out.

 

[scolairebocht]

You mean wheat I guess, we just don't have flour because we have no mills, we have some for cattle feed though but thats no use for making bread.

You see its a chicken and egg situation, farmers are not growing wheat suitable for flour for domestic bread, because there is no Irish mill to take it so whats the point. Anyway it leaves us unbelievably vulnerable to any disruption in supply chains. Just another way our corrrupt government is destroying us.

 

[Mad as Fish]

It might be just as well we don't get the auld NP. I reckon Ireland is too corrupt a country to do nuclear power safely, e.g. pyrite in the reactor or some shite like that, and we don't have any vast wilderness where we could stuff any waste material under a mountain.

The old NP plants were designed first and foremost to produce weapons grade uranium, cheap energy was just a side product.

New types such as molten salt reactors can actually run on the nuclear waste produced over the last 70 years, I read that there is enough to keep us going for 300 years.

 

[willows68]

we are told our flour is too coarse and our sheep fleece is rough as a badgers h---.
garoid Dunne is the chief European salesman for Dawn meats and he with a laptop sold beef by the pallet in France first then when he sorted France h e went to Italy when he established a market for Irish meat in Italy he went to Spain and he currently lives in Madrid and is married to a Spanish lady from Galicia .
he started small on his own and Irish meat is grass fed and commands a premium --I have photos of Irish food being sold in Italy and its in a very exclusive yacht harbour where the very wealthy meet and eat and the top of the food tree is Irish beef .
I will send you some photos when I dig them out.

Those are friggin lies. Our produce/ dairy is the finest in the world. I have lived many years abroad. Coming back to our level of milk/ beef etc is so heartwarming.
Our farmers/ small suppliers are being sacrificed on the WEF altar. As are we all.

 

[Mad as Fish]

You mean wheat I guess, we just don't have flour because we have no mills, we have some for cattle feed though but thats no use for making bread.

You see its a chicken and egg situation, farmers are not growing wheat suitable for flour for domestic bread, because there is no Irish mill to take it so whats the point. Anyway it leaves us unbelievably vulnerable to any disruption in supply chains. Just another way our corrrupt government is destroying us.

If I might step in here I'd like to add a little more detail.

Modern bread demands wheat of a certain type, commonly referred to as hard wheats. These grains have a high protein content/good gluten (requiring plenty of sunshine) and a low alpha amylase activity. This is the natural enzyme that turns starch into sugars and is activated by moisture. Trying to grow this sort of wheat in Ireland's cloudy wet climate is a struggle and breadmaking wheats don't carry the premium they once did, certainly not enough to compensate for their lower yields.

I have tried searching for flour mills in Ireland and came a cross a link that suggested that there were 8 still operating here, but the link wouldn't open. I certainly don't see flour tankers coming in by ferry, not through Rosslare anyway, so I am guessing we still have the capacity to mill imported wheat, either from North America or France.

 

[scolairebocht]

I'm not claiming to be an expert, but a few months ago I had a long conversation with a tillage farmer who grows mostly barley now I think. He said you have some artisan mills in Ireland, like at Martry near Kells Co. Meath, but these are not serious commercial affairs producing supermarket bread, almost just tourist things.

Yes you are right of course that we are not a classic wheat growing country, most of Ireland anyway, because of soil and moisture as you say. But nonetheless he said they could grow that wheat if they got any kind of premium for it and afterall Ireland would have had hundreds and hundreds of mills in the past, a good proportion of whom would have been for wheat for domestic bread.

 

[Mad as Fish]

I'm not claiming to be an expert, but a few months ago I had a long conversation with a tillage farmer who grows mostly barley now I think. He said you have some artisan mills in Ireland, like at Marty near Kells Co. Meath, but these are not serious commercial affairs producing supermarket bread, almost just tourist things.

Yes you are right of course that we are not a classic wheat growing country, most of Ireland anyway, because of soil and moisture as you say. But nonetheless he said they could grow that wheat if they got any kind of premium for it and afterall Ireland would have had hundreds and hundreds of mills in the past, a good proportion of whom would have been for wheat for domestic bread.

The mills at Cork dock have been removed to make way for high rise flats and offices certainly.

The older bread made from low protein wheats was different altogether from todays white pan.

Millers want High protein flour because it holds on to water better and the gluten (a protein itself) gives the dough its elasticity. These qualities enable bakers to sell more air and water and less flour in loaf. It used to be called the Chorley Wood process, it's now referred to as something else, but I forget what.

I hear the same from farmers, that they could grow milling wheat if the money was right and the outlet was here, but I think that's being a little optimistic TBH. One wet summer would have the mills buying the wheat in from abroad and they wouldn't be quick to return to the home grown stuff.

 

[willows68]

I'm not claiming to be an expert, but a few months ago I had a long conversation with a tillage farmer who grows mostly barley now I think. He said you have some artisan mills in Ireland, like at Marty near Kells Co. Meath, but these are not serious commercial affairs producing supermarket bread, almost just tourist things.

Yes you are right of course that we are not a classic wheat growing country, most of Ireland anyway, because of soil and moisture as you say. But nonetheless he said they could grow that wheat if they got any kind of premium for it and afterall Ireland would have had hundreds and hundreds of mills in the past, a good proportion of whom would have been for wheat for domestic bread.

Monsanto wheat? The biggest reason for IB complaints. We grew barley and oat here a thousand years ago. We must remember how we were able to live in harmony with our acid bog soils and damp climate - this land can feed us, if we utilise the right crops/ livestock.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Monsanto wheat? The biggest reason for IB complaints. We grew barley and oat here a thousand years ago. We must remember how we were able to live in harmony with our acid bog soils and damp climate - this land can feed us, if we utilise the right crops/ livestock.

Gluten intolerance is something of an epidemic nowadays but I do wonder if gluten is not just a handy scapegoat at times, if kids ate less processed foods altogether then we might see less of it about. A lass I used to know was delighted to find that she was allergic to gluten, or so the 'tests' said, and she could make a great fuss about having to buy gluten free foods, didn't stop her stuffing pizza and chips down her throat though.

The question of the tie up between wheat breeding and the chemical companies is a convoluted one. GM crops are not allowed to be grown in ireland although GM grain for animal feed is allowed to be imported, as I understand the current situation.

In Monsanto's ideal world crops would be grown that are resistent to herbicides such as glysophate, and I think they did achieve this, but am rusty on the subject. These GM crops could then be sprayed with said chemical killing off all the weeds competing with the crop in the field, thus increasing yields and giving a clean grain sample off the combine.

But of course nature has fought back and glysophate resistence is now occuring naturally in weeds.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Bocht I presume the Quaker's mill in Westmeath (was it near Delvin?) has long since shut down?

 

[clarke-connolly]

Gluten intolerance is something of an epidemic nowadays but I do wonder if gluten is not just a handy scapegoat at times, if kids ate less processed foods altogether then we might see less of it about. A lass I used to know was delighted to find that she was allergic to gluten, or so the 'tests' said, and she could make a great fuss about having to buy gluten free foods, didn't stop her stuffing pizza and chips down her throat though.

The question of the tie up between wheat breeding and the chemical companies is a convoluted one. GM crops are not allowed to be grown in ireland although GM grain for animal feed is allowed to be imported, as I understand the current situation.

In Monsanto's ideal world crops would be grown that are resistent to herbicides such as glysophate, and I think they did achieve this, but am rusty on the subject. These GM crops could then be sprayed with said chemical killing off all the weeds competing with the crop in the field, thus increasing yields and giving a clean grain sample off the combine.

But of course nature has fought back and glysophate resistence is now occuring naturally in weeds.

Maybe it's all the, Genetically Modified Wheat / Other Stuff ! ! !

I never heard of celiac ( gluten intolerance ) until say 20 years ago !

 

[Mad as Fish]

Monsanto wheat? The biggest reason for IB complaints. We grew barley and oat here a thousand years ago. We must remember how we were able to live in harmony with our acid bog soils and damp climate - this land can feed us, if we utilise the right crops/ livestock.

Just on the Irish soils not all the land here is acidic bogs by any means, but we have an excellent climate and environment for growing grass, indeed, foreign machinery manufactures come here to test their products for if they can cope with the thick Irish crops they will work anywhere else.

The trouble with a low pH soil is that it releases aluminium into the soil which is toxic to plants, especially cereals, so they cannot be utilised except by sheep grazing on poor quality vegetation, which tends to be the natural cover for acid soils.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Maybe it's all the, Genetically Modified Wheat / Other Stuff ! ! !

I never heard of celiac ( gluten intolerance ) until say 20 years ago !

Indeed, as noted above I think there is more involved than gluten itself.

 

[scolairebocht]

I dont know Myles about Quaker, as I said some small artisan ones are still going.

The bottom line anyway is that if there is any disruption to the sea lanes into or out of Ireland, very likely in the event of war, there will be no bread in the shops, because we have no real milling capacity.

I have to say I am with willow on this, Ireland did produce enough of wheat in the past, I think we only don't do it now because we have a corrupt government who are deliberatly running down Ireland.

 

[Mad as Fish]

I dont know Myles about Quaker, as I said some small artisan ones are still going.

The bottom line anyway is that if there is any disruption to the sea lanes into or out of Ireland, very likely in the event of war, there will be no bread in the shops, because we have no real milling capacity.

I have to say I am with willow on this, Ireland did produce enough of wheat in the past, I think we only don't do it now because we have a corrupt government who are deliberatly running down Ireland.

Quaker are famed for their oats, and Ireland does produce good quality organic oats for use here and abroad. It is something we can do well, but, alas, hard milling wheats are a different story.

It wouldn't just be a war that could cause disruption, tillage farmers have had a crap harvest this year and shortages would still exist.

What the government has done over the years is encourage milk production at the expense of tillage as Ireland is a natural for it. Most of this milk is then exported as powder for baby formula, especially to China, but China is getting its act together and that market is likely to shrink.

The biggest crime against farmers by the government was the closing down of the sugar beet industry, that was a huge loss to Irish agriculture.

 

[scolairebocht]

Yes a great crime, done because of a huge subsidy that the EEC gave to the Irish Sugar company to destroy their own industry.

As I say none of this is an accident, its the deliberate destruction of Ireland as an independent country.

 

[willows68]

Yes a great crime, done because of a huge subsidy that the EEC gave to the Irish Sugar company to destroy their own industry.

As I say none of this is an accident, its the deliberate destruction of Ireland as an independent country.

Glyphosate drying out oat crops - being a deffo culprit. Glyphosate is Agent Orange with one minor change...poisoning us for 6 decades.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

The biggest crime against farmers by the government was the closing down of the sugar beet industry, that was a huge loss to Irish agriculture.

Yesterday that was featured in an RTE Documentary where a woman goes through the State files of the last Century.

There's one lad down in south Kildare that still farms it. There used to be factories in Carlow, Mallow, Thurles and Tuam.

Joining the EEC seemingly killed it.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Yesterday that was featured in an RTE Documentary where a woman goes through the State files of the last Century.

There's one lad down in south Kildare that still farms it. There used to be factories in Carlow, Mallow, Thurles and Tuam.

Joining the EEC seemingly killed it.

Beet is still grown as a fodder crop, but not for sugar production.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

I can tell by your postings that you're a far better farmer than Valentine Martin, Fish.

I wouldn't ate a morsel of food that dirty khunt produces.