Andrew Gold Tackles The Taboo Topic Of Race Realism

[Roc_]

I think the whole point of the thread is who else apart from Jambo gives two farts what colour / race / ancestry / culture Larry Fishbox or whatever his name is?

And if you had to put him in a box - would you not put him in the box of "entertainers"?

Or even the box of the chap who inspired ten million "red-pilled far right edge lords"?

Well I guess Larry Fishbox is as good an illustration as any of the difference between an achiever and a non-acheiver.

But is it not true that if you're a non-achiever, you're far more probable (on average) to look at your "whiteness" as some kind of achievement?

Indeed.

Then you also have to consider the human "race".

Who's in front and who's behind?

Larry Fishbox leading and Jambo way back in the rear wouldn't you say?

I think that's the most "real" thing we could say about this "race".

Vis, "Race realism".

A "race realism", where Jambo is undeniably out in the rear. And the likes of Larry Fishbox even if we decided he was "black", or even if we decided he was "white" (whatever) - is out in front of Jambo by a long shot.

And that's keeping it real and on the streets.

 

[The Equalizer]

I think the whole point of the thread is who else apart from Jambo gives two farts what colour / race / ancestry / culture Larry Fishbox or whatever his name is?

No, that isn't the point. At all.

You're a spastic.

And if you had to put him in a box - would you not put him in the box of "entertainers"?

Or even the box of the chap who inspired ten million "red-pilled far right edge lords"?

Well I guess Larry Fishbox is as good an illustration as any of the difference between an achiever and a non-acheiver.

But is it not true that if you're a non-achiever, you're far more probable (on average) to look at your "whiteness" as some kind of achievement?

Indeed.

Then you also have to consider the human "race".

Who's in front and who's behind?

Larry Fishbox leading and Jambo drawing up way back in the rear wouldn't you say?

I think that's the most "real" thing I think we could say about this "race".

Vis, "Race realism".

A "race realism, where Jambo is undeniably out in the rear. And the likes of Larry Fishbox even if we decided he was "black", or even if we decided he was "white" (whatever) - is out in front of Jambo by a long shot.

And that's keeping it real and on the streets.

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z5QeDp8j7mw

 

[The Equalizer]

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Making sure you're not a bot!

My mother always said my hair was auburn She was a hairdresser.

 

[Agobard Admirer]

My mother always said my hair was auburn She was a hairdresser.

The Tarim Basin Mummies with their red hair and tartan in Bronze Age China are really fascinating.

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[Roc_]

My mother always said my hair was auburn She was a hairdresser.

No messing, once upon a time I slept with a hairdresser who said exactly that to me too. What did your Mum look like?!

 

[The Equalizer]

"You can't define what a white person is."

"Is Laurence Fishburne white?"

"No."


View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/8gN5F08sBC4

Poor @Haven still hasn't a clue what I'm talking about.

Also please note that @Roc_ posted a complete fabrication of what the Laurence Fishburne question was about in the debate (which I posted the video of) using AI - What memes were the white supremacists talking about? They're these memes, say yes.

These people aren't well.

 

[Haven]

"You can't define what a white person is."

"Is Laurence Fishburne white?"

"No."


View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/8gN5F08sBC4

Poor @Haven still hasn't a clue what I'm talking about.

Also please note that @Roc_ posted a complete fabrication of what the Laurence Fishburne question was about in the debate (which I posted the video of) using AI - What memes were the white supremacists talking about? They're these memes, say yes.

These people aren't well.

Jesus Christ. I handed your ass to you.

 

[The Equalizer]

@Haven hasn't really said anything about the Laurence Fishburne question but it's obviously reminiscent of when he said races don't exist because they do.

He later redefined race as an "idea".

Here is his infamous quote -

"Many individuals may be more GENETICALLY similar to members of other IDEAS than to some members of their own IDEA." - Haven

 

[Haven]

@Haven hasn't really said anything about the Laurence Fishburne question but it's obviously reminiscent of when he said races don't exist because they do.

He later redefined race as an "idea".

Here is his infamous quote -

"Many individuals may be more GENETICALLY similar to members of other IDEAS than to some members of their own IDEA." - Haven

Completely fabricated.
For shame, James.

 

[Roc_]

Martin Luther King Jr. on why races including the Jews, Irish, and Italians had managed to escape poverty while many Black Americans remained trapped by it.

"...The second difference was race itself.... While other racial groups have been able to change their accents or names to assimilate, the Negro cannot... Black Americans could not because their skin color remained a visible target for discrimination..."

Also-

How the Irish Became White

View: https://x.com/_HistoryNerd/status/2081778771372437808?s=20

 

[Roc_]

Also what he says directly addressing racists in the above hits damned hard, doesn't it:

“… When you say to a man, that you are in this position because of your race or because of your colour, you say to that man that he can never get out of it…”.

 

[The Equalizer]

Martin Luther King Jr. on why races including the Jews, Irish, and Italians had managed to escape poverty while many Black Americans remained trapped by it.

"...The second difference was race itself.... While other racial groups have been able to change their accents or names to assimilate, the Negro cannot... Black Americans could not because their skin color remained a visible target for discrimination..."

Once again, you don't know whether you're coming or going.

That refers to race as real.

Thisis CRT race is a" social construct" crap.

Get your story straight.

Also-

How the Irish Became White

 

[The Equalizer]

Also what he says directly addressing racists in the above hits damned hard, doesn't it:

“… When you say to a man, that you are in this position because of your race or because of your colour, you say to that man that he can never get out of it…”.

That's how we have to think of them as a race, sadly.


View: https://t.me/TraditionalBritainGroup/32877

 

[The Equalizer]

You're not allowed to say it, though.

Plus ca change with the leftist cult..


View: https://t.me/thuletide/8365

 

[The Equalizer]

Martin Luther King Jr. on why races including the Jews, Irish, and Italians had managed to escape poverty while many Black Americans remained trapped by it.

"...The second difference was race itself.... While other racial groups have been able to change their accents or names to assimilate, the Negro cannot... Black Americans could not because their skin color remained a visible target for discrimination..."

Also-

How the Irish Became White

View: https://x.com/_HistoryNerd/status/2081778771372437808?s=20

I should really thank roc here for highlighting what I always say about race denialism..

Race denialism is not just a lie, it is an anti-white lie.

So, once the inevitable happens - black populations are less successful, it gets blamed on racism AKA white people. Then DEI/less whites is implemented to "fix" the problem, which is obviously anti-white as well as lowering standards - which affects all.

 

[Roc_]

You can't even say what you're trying to say with this stupid neo-Nazi modern jargon like "race denialism" and "anti-white". Both those terms help say nothing about what you yourself need to explain to people, to try and justify yourself, they are just terms to demonise anyone who is trying to get you to make yourself plain and who in the process might tell you some home truth like you're a dumb fucking racist or dumb fucking neo-Nazi, whenever by some miracle you manage to make something about what you're about somewhat clear. You're an odious fucking moron, obviously sick in the head, Jambo.

 

[The Equalizer]

You can't even say what you're trying to say with this stupid neo-Nazi modern jargon like "race denialism" and "anti-white".

It never ends..

Both those terms help say nothing about what you yourself need to explain to people, to try and justify yourself, they are just terms to demonise anyone who is trying to get you to make yourself plain and who in the process might tell you some home truth like you're a dumb fucking racist or dumb fucking neo-Nazi, whenever by some miracle you manage to make something about what you're about somewhat clear. You're an odious fucking moron, obviously sick in the head, Jambo.

 

[The Equalizer]

In some way of course, @Roc_ embodies this well-known quote from Millennial Woes -

 

[Agobard Admirer]

In many ways of course, @Roc_ embodies this well-known quote from Millennial Woes -

Do you still consider Mr Roc_ to be a Leftist?

 

[The Equalizer]

Do you still consider Mr Roc_ to be a Leftist?

Basically he is until it comes to antisemitism (which is overarching)

 

[Roc_]

Also, race conceived as some manner of "realism"; race conceived as simply as a skin colour resulting from melanin adaptation; race conceived as a "biological difference" (encompassing varying degrees of scientific ignorance etc.); race conceived as "a social construct"; race conceived as ethnic, or cultural classifications; and more... can be present in somebody's thoughts regarding what they understand "race" means, all at the same time.

For instance Martin Luther King certainly held at least two meanings above. He was talking of race as a social construct and race as some type of biological or cultural classification - two concepts held in his thought at the same time.

Race as social construct and race as classification of human beings like insects by some scheme or other, are not mutually exclusive.

This continual insistence on simplistic "binary" thought, like some electronic 'or' gate, gets annoying. - It comprises yet another element of the sheer base stupidity we are dealing with here.

 

[Roc_]

Basically he is until it comes to antisemitism (which is overarching)

And this is yet another element of your stupid, base ideology, in fact the element used to shore up all the pseudo scientific claptrap and jargon used to recruit, etc.

 

[The Equalizer]

Also, race conceived as some manner of "realism"; race conceived as simply as a skin colour resulting from melanin adaptation; race conceived as a "biological difference" (encompassing varying degrees of scientific ignorance etc.); race conceived as "a social construct"; race conceived as ethnic, or cultural classifications; and more... can be present in somebody's thoughts regarding what they understand "race" means, all at the same time.

For instance Martin Luther King certainly held at least two meanings above. He was talking of race as a social construct and race as some type of biological or cultural classification - two concepts held in his thought at the same time.

Race as social construct and race as classification of human beings like insects by some scheme or other, are not mutually exclusive.

This continual insistence on simplistic "binary" thought, like some electronic 'or' gate, gets annoying. - It comprises yet another element of the sheer base stupidity we are dealing with here.

 

[The Equalizer]

And this is yet another element of your stupid, base ideology, in fact the element used to shore up all the pseudo scientific claptrap and jargon used to recruit, etc.

I'm not sure if @Agobard Admirer was here for your spit-the-coffee moment when you said that you - never stopped railing against the lefties and wokes on Gubu.

 

[Roc_]

I'm not sure if @Agobard Admirer was here for your spit-the-coffee moment when you said that you - never stopped railing against the lefties and wokes on Gubu.

Well he was a direct witness to it, so possibly he might be honest for a change about whether what I said was true enough. I said I was an equal opportunity critic and challenger of ideologues, religious, and secular, left and right. I said I never failed to rail against their pernicious jargon and catchcries. I said I was banned for life more than twenty times, every time I dared to hold a mirror up to any of the members (construed as "personal abuse" etc.). And I said that I just gave up eventually, as I got tired of setting up a new IP and email address every time. True or false, @Agobard Admirer

 

[The Equalizer]

Well he was a direct witness to it, so possibly he might be honest for a change about whether what I said was true enough. I said I was an equal opportunity critic and challenger of ideologues, religious, and secular, left and right. I said I never failed to rail against their pernicious jargon and catchcries. I said I was banned for life more than twenty times, every time I dared to hold a mirror up to any of the members (construed as "personal abuse" etc.). And I said that I just gave up eventually, as I got tired of setting up a new IP and email address every time. True or false, @Agobard Admirer

I asked you several times what you never stopped railing against..

Did you never stop railing against their view on such things as:

Religion (Christianity)
Alphabetism
'Minorities' (besides Muslims)
Anti-racism
Anti-nationalism
Antiwhiteism
Antisemitism

 

[The Equalizer]

I asked you several times what you never stopped railing against..

Did you never stop railing against their view on such things as:

Religion (Christianity)
Alphabetism
'Minorities' (besides Muslims)
Anti-racism
Anti-nationalism
Antiwhiteism
Antisemitism

 

[Agobard Admirer]

Well he was a direct witness to it, so possibly he might be honest for a change about whether what I said was true enough. I said I was an equal opportunity critic and challenger of ideologues, religious, and secular, left and right. I said I never failed to rail against their pernicious jargon and catchcries. I said I was banned for life more than twenty times, every time I dared to hold a mirror up to any of the members (construed as "personal abuse" etc.). And I said that I just gave up eventually, as I got tired of setting up a new IP and email address every time. True or false, @Agobard Admirer

I was not on Gubu for very long. What do you expect me to say here? You have if anything more contempt for the Republican and Socialist Lefts in Ireland than you do for the Christian and Nationalist Rights and have been as eager to attempt cruelty towards them online. Engaging in gratuitous cruelty/personal abusiveness is not holding a mirror to people because it makes them automatically bring all their defenses up and dismiss what you have to say even if you have decent points to make. However you do only seem against "Woke" when it's usage is to the benefit of Muslims, non-Jewish West Asians more generally and Catholic Gaels. Basically you want us all to be like Clanrickard of Kevin Parlon.

 

[Roc_]

... Basically you want us all to be like Clanrickard of Kevin Parlon.

More shite pulled straight from your crusty hole.

There was no love lost between me and those posters either. E.g.

And @Clanrickard, for once, has something right in his miserable life.

@Clanrickard is a good example of someone only able to see the colours black and white. To make an analogy, if you presented him with a comprehensive Farrow and Ball chart of traditional neutrals, he'd send you off to Woodies to get Magnolia, as he can't tell the difference.

That's @Clanrickard, not the brightest spark.

etc.

If there was anyone on these fora who I would wish more posters to be like, it would be he whose name may not be mentioned here. I.e. A poster who used his own god-given intelligence, actually had his own opinions, held with a sense of humour, honesty and nuance; was able to observe, articulate and express himself, make an actual argument for himself, etc.

There's hardly one poster across these fora who can hold a light to him. I can assure you these fora would be immeasurably better if more were like that poster.

Not like fucking Clanrickard or Kevin Parlon.

 

[Roc_]

Religion (Christianity)

I don't give a fuck what religion anyone is or is not, or whether they worship secular deities (ideologies), or traditional deities, as long as they don't start thinking they need to impose their "religion" on everybody else.

Alphabetism

I don't give a fuck what anyone wants to identify themselves as. Sure, we occassionally get it pushed in our face, but I can understand the opposing impetus that necessitates that, and why they need to do it in such an environment.

'Minorities' (besides Muslims)

I believe that a state or a people's treatment of minorities including Muslims is an important metric of how worthwhile that civilisation and democracy is.

The element within the Muslim community of Jihadism is a different matter, the same way as there are other varieties of radicalism in other communities, granted I believe the aforementioned particular element consists a present exigency demanding attention.

Anti-racism

I grew up with the anti-racism movement that came out of music in the 80's, bands like the Specials, and hold it dear to my heart. Granted there is a mutation of it in the new leftism that doesn't sit so well with me, but there remain nuances there that you have made plain you are incapable of understanding.

Anti-nationalism

Are you talking about your variety of what you call "nationalism"? Well any opposition of any sort to such indecency is only to be welcomed. But I would be warm to other much more worthwhile and valuable varieties of nationalism, and even passionate about those varieties that put our ancient language in all its original intricacy of expression at their centre.

Antiwhiteism

Stupid fucking jargon.

Moron.

 

[Roc_]

Antisemitism

Yeah, quelle surprise I also don't like on "the left" the bleating of stupid fucking tropes (that came straight out of Soviet KGB propaganda).

It's so obviously a re-run of all the radical left shit we saw in the 70's and 80's. (yet no one seems to have any recall of that).

Another instance of morons bleating catchcries and slogans they didn't come up with themselves. This time on the left (acknowledging the right have also picked up on it markedly, recently).

So sure, I fucking hate that too, as much as all the mindless bleating and catchcries and slogans you far rightists engage in.

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[The Equalizer]

Good God.

The imbecility of imbeciles never ceases to amaze me.

Just when you think that you've figured out how stupid they are... They prove you wrong.

 

[The Equalizer]

Summary:

@Roc_ didn't "Never stop railing against the woke lefties on Gubu" other than for their antisemitism (and I'll throw in Muslims as one of their pet 'minorities')

 

[Agobard Admirer]

Good God.

The imbecility of imbeciles never ceases to amaze me.

Just when you think that you've figured out how stupid they are... They prove you wrong.

The bile directed at poor wretched Clanrickard certainly threw me a little.

 

[Agobard Admirer]

Summary:

@Roc_ didn't "Never stop railing against the woke lefties on Gubu" other than for their antisemitism (and I'll throw in Muslims as one of their pet 'minorities')

I seem to remember him railing at "woke Lefties" over economic issues than had nothing directly to do with Muslims or Zionism on occasion in all justice.

 

[The Equalizer]

The bile directed at poor wretched Clanrickard certainly threw me a little.

I don't know what that was but in fairness Clanrickard isn't a woke leftie

 

[Agobard Admirer]

I don't know what that was but in fairness Clanrickard isn't a woke leftie

I know. My point was to roc_ that he wants Irish people to take Clanrickard as their model- and he replied that he hated Clanrickard to. None of us are good enough for him.

 

[Roc_]

... he replied that he hated Clanrickard to. None of us are good enough for him.

I don't hate Clanrickard or any other poster.

What upsets me is not one or other political view (unless it's along lines of neo-Nazism say), it is a manner of thought and engagement. E.g.

@Clanrickard glib, superficial and prone to using labels instead of actual thought as he is...

Sound familiar? That's the bugbear. Along with pathological inability to adequately rationalise or form knowledge, owing to some form of ideological indoctrination, of whatever type, granted some types are worse than others. -Ism's.

 

[The Equalizer]

I don't hate Clanrickard or any other poster.

What upsets me is not one or other political view (unless it's along lines of neo-Nazism say), it is a manner of thought and engagement. E.g.



Sound familiar? That's the bugbear. Along with pathological inability to adequately rationalise or form knowledge, owing to some form of ideological indoctrination, of whatever type, granted some types are worse than others. -Ism's.

Can you stop posting fake quotes.

You f*cking idiot

 

[The Equalizer]

I know. My point was to roc_ that he wants Irish people to take Clanrickard as their model- and he replied that he hated Clanrickard to. None of us are good enough for him.

@Roc_ is a leftist, woke...

Other than when it comes to antisemitism (and Muslims).

That's the point.