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Again I am asking that you either it civil or don't respond.
Threads are getting derailed by juvenile bickering.
Can it please.
A new book on the UFO, Alien Hoax
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Threads are getting derailed by juvenile bickering.
Can it please.
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Whatever the f*ck that means..It's not called a 'jimmy' for nothing!!
Final word.
Hopefully you'll be reduced to trying to pester me with emojis soon pal
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Run along there, silly little drunkard.Whatever the f*ck that means..
Hopefully you'll be reduced to trying to pester me with emojis soon pal
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Sparks is it true you have a drink problem Sir?
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Shit stirring.
Cut it fucking out!
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Didn't @jpc just warn you about those type of posts? I think he did
Plus, have you written a single on-topic post in this thread? I don't think so
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Yes, I'm correct. Woof has 11 posts in this thread and none of them are on-topic
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I like your signature Sparky. I'm a racist too.
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What if an actual alien invasion occurred? Would your beliefs change then Sir?
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OUR MILKY WAY IS VAST .
my brain can cope with many complex ideas and events and concepts just as yourself -you are I find a highly intelligent sincere man and your curiosity is a marker in great people -so we are today discussing life elsewhere .
your sincerity is your difficulty when dealing with this .
my god IS THE UNIVERSE AND EVERYTHING IN IT especially the conscioness .
there fore I have no problem understanding that our milky way is vast and I have spent many hours with high powered telescopes seeing layer upon layer of stars with their hundreds of planets each and I am truly awestruck by the enormity of it all.
while I may consider my self intelligent --I am unable to compute to understand the vastness of our galaxy which is only one of trillions of galaxy's .
it is terrifying that we would come across a civilisation 3 million years or 10 million years of evolution beyond our own.
we would be physically and mentally defenceless --they could take what they wish and there are planets many thousands of times bigger than earth .
and this is where your sincerity enters and causes a diffculty --if you belive the christian theology then we are a creation of the only one true god .
when the spaceships land and our first question is who is your god and we are told a tale handed down for 7 million years or so --then we/you have a problem .
if we are lucky they wont eat us or enslave us or ride us as we would do to them and have done to millions over the centuries .
hopefully god will be within them also --he must be.
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Differentiate between what you actually see in your telescope when observing planets, and the stories you are told about the planets. You see moving lights in the sky, you do not see balls orbiting other balls. You do not see hundreds of planets. You can see six planets at most: Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Jupiter and Uranus. Bring your telescopes down to the coast and aim them out at the ships across the sea and you will observe them on a level sea surface far beyond the alleged globe earth curve. If you have the time and interest, read this thread: https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com/threads/the-flat-earth-thread.242/
If you believe in Christian theology you will understand that earth is not a ball in a space vacuum. You will not find trillions of galaxies or any description of earth as a ball in the Bible. The Big Bang did not create earth and man, God did. There will be no alien spaceships. The ball earth in space cosmology is a Satanic inversion magic trick.
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It wouldn't surprise me if the "next covid" is a bogus alien attack on plants earth. A perfect excuse for a one world government.
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And the majority of the people will swallow and accept whatever is thrown at them, just like during ConVid!
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I do not believe in a mad big bang .
the matter of the entire universe in an atom which explodes into millions of galaxy's .
who made the atom who made the bang who made the universe .
all daft stuff .
I have already stated I believe god/consciousness is the power behind all .
and god is within us all regardless of religion or colour or wealth in the same amount each .
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What stories? R u talking about astrology?
You don't see this -
The "moving lights in the sky" are the planets in our solar system orbiting the Sun reflecting sunlight. They move (in a straight line) due to inertia, which is just as well for them because otherwise they would fall into the Sun. Instead what we observe is an orbit, a combination of inertia and (the Sun's) gravity
I don't think BFH was talking about the planets of our solar system
We have discovered thousands of exoplanets (but not hundreds orbiting any one star system)
You forgot Neptune (which might disappoint @Neptune), the real Blue Planet
(fast forward to the end) -View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fj-P031VlbU
What's that, a drone with a telescopic lens?
Stop embarrassing yourself
You don't believe in Christian theology as you claim not to be a Christian
Galaxies are a relatively modern discovery, therefore the humans who wrote the Bible wouldn't have been aware of their existence. Besides, a book of tales of the supernatural hasn't any relevance to science or the natural world anyway
Correct. The Earth and humans (their original existence separated by billions of years) both came after the Big Bang, as did the building blocks for same (remember you're made of stardust)
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Did you know that the 'Father of the Big Bang' was a Catholic priest called Georges Lemaître?
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RL6ndOAOEeE
He spoke of an initial state of the universe being a "primeval atom"
The Big Bang theory is quite popular with some theists (as it smacks of creation) but alas they all lie about it. Specifically that's it's a theory of something from nothing (which it isn't) so that they can insert their God. Lies swallowed whole by gullible dupes like Tiger who've never read a book on science
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Thanks, we'll see how long it lastsWelcome back
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These kinds of stories: https://www.americanscientist.org/article/on-neptune-its-raining-diamondsWhat stories? R u talking about astrology?
I never claimed we see that dumb cartoon straw man.You don't see this -
More of those stories I was referring to. You don't observe any planet orbiting the sun.
I know he wasn't, but he believes those exoplanets are there even though he doesn't see them through his telescopes, which is the point I was making.
"We" LOL. You didn't do shit. Do you even know how they "discover" those exoplanets? They don't actually see them through telescopes, they infer their existence based on other bullshit assumptions about the stars. More stories.
You forgot Neptune (which might disappoint @Neptune), the real Blue Planet
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fj-P031VlbU
I was thinking of planets visible to the naked eye which is was why I mistakenly didn't include Neptune. Here's Neptune from a telescope in your video - can you see any raining diamonds?
It's a telescopic camera - the Nikon P900 - on a tripod at sea level. Gif is from this video (29:02):
View: https://youtu.be/R9JPxYOlYoQ?si=tTkiNNMjTcq3NKw0&t=1742
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Huh? So, that's a hypothesis that the conditions might be right for diamonds to form deep below the surface of the planet, which would then sink ("rain") creating a diamond outer core. What's the problem, exactly?
It's a depiction. Is there anything that you fundamentally disagree with according to the flat-earth model(s)?
It wasn't a story, I was simply stating the basics of planetary motion, not least because you seemed to acknowledge that the "lights in the sky" do, indeed, move
I made reference of course to Newton's first law of motion (inertia) and Einstein's general relativity (gravity), I spared you Kepler
Do you have any explanation for why the planets move as they do?
In particular, Newton's first law of motion states that an object (not at rest) will move at a constant velocity in the same direction unless acted upon by a (net) force. So, if the planets aren't orbiting the Sun, why haven't they wandered off into space never to be seen by us again (as the interstellar object 3I/ATLAS will)?
Fairy nuff
The two (indirect) methods that I'm aware of are to observe a dimming of a star as the planet passes in front of it and to observe the star wobble caused by the gravitational effect of the planet
Is that a serious question?
No, and I can't see diamonds naturally form on planet Earth either, despite being billions of miles closer
Or a flat-earther with too much time on their hands
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No problem, it's just an example of bullshit stories about planets.
Your cartoon straw man showed earth as a disc, with a dome, floating in space. I don't claim earth is a disc, I don't claim there is a dome, and I don't believe in space. So it's not a depiction of anything I claim, which is simply that the surface of earth is flat (because that is how it is observed, measured and practically used), and that earth is not a ball in a space vacuum.
I was just pointing out that your claim of planets orbiting the sun is not observed, it's a story, it's something you must believe in.
No.
Whether or not planets are actually objects is unknown. Applying Newton's first law to them assumes they are, but the planets may not even be subject to the law.
It was serious - again, I'm just pointing out that my example of a space story (diamonds raining on Neptune) is not what is actually observed.
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Your definition of hypothesis is bullshit?
Furthermore, you have not in any way refuted the hypothesis (you don't do science)
What about the ice wall, do you believe in that?
Only over shorter distances
The Earth is a planet orbiting the Sun (a star) and spherical in shape like all the others
Of course it is
The story here is your conspiracy theory
Yeah, you probably should have left it at "No"
If you were actually asking me can I see diamond rain in that image then I'm afraid I'm going to have downgrade your question to - stupid
Also, I can't help but get the feeling that you're thinking of "rain" based on your (Earthly) experience, i.e. water falling from clouds in the sky separated from a solid (or liquid) surface
Neptune (Uranus, Saturn and Jupiter) are gas planets (no solid surface) and what is hypothesised is happening below the surface of Neptune and certainly not visible even if up close and personal
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Raining diamonds is a bullshit story, it is not a scientific hypothesis. A scientific hypothesis requires the observation of a natural phenomenon, something happening in nature, not on Neptune where we cannot go. A hypothesis also requires an independent variable and a dependent variable (the natural phenomenon or effect), and an experiment in which the independent variable is manipulated to verify whether or not it causes the effect. "Raining diamonds on Neptune" does not have any of this.
Here's more space stories for you. Do you believe all this bollocks?
Alcohol clouds in space
Yes, there is a giant cloud of alcohol in outer space. It's in a region known as W3(OH), only about 6500 light years away. Unfortunately it is methyl alcohol (commonly known as wood alcohol, though this stuff is not derived from wood), so it isn't suitable for drinking. There is some ethyl...
Alcohol on a disc in space!
First detection of methyl alcohol in a planet-forming disc - NASA Science
The organic molecule methyl alcohol (methanol) has been found for the first time in a young planet-forming disc.
science.nasa.gov
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You don't know anything about this, you are a (off-the-charts) science denier, pathological conspiracy theorist and profound victim of the Dunning-Kruger effect, which is why you are completely unfazed by your absolute lack of curiosity, knowledge or understanding of anything to do with the real world
Here's more space stories for you. Do you believe all this bollocks?
Alcohol clouds in space
Yes, there is a giant cloud of alcohol in outer space. It's in a region known as W3(OH), only about 6500 light years away. Unfortunately it is methyl alcohol (commonly known as wood alcohol, though this stuff is not derived from wood), so it isn't suitable for drinking. There is some ethyl...phys.org
Alcohol on a disc in space!
First detection of methyl alcohol in a planet-forming disc - NASA Science
The organic molecule methyl alcohol (methanol) has been found for the first time in a young planet-forming disc.
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Here's more space stories for you. Do you believe all this bollocks?
Alcohol clouds in space
Yes, there is a giant cloud of alcohol in outer space. It's in a region known as W3(OH), only about 6500 light years away. Unfortunately it is methyl alcohol (commonly known as wood alcohol, though this stuff is not derived from wood), so it isn't suitable for drinking. There is some ethyl...
Alcohol on a disc in space!
First detection of methyl alcohol in a planet-forming disc - NASA Science
The organic molecule methyl alcohol (methanol) has been found for the first time in a young planet-forming disc.
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Now, as promised, some Kepler for you (watch, listen, learn) -
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-UFr1X0prbo&t=11m45s
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First thing he says, "The ancients first observed the way the planets seemed to move about in the sky and concluded that along with the earth they all went around the sun." This agrees with what I said, that planets are not observed orbiting the sun. If you have observed planets orbiting the sun then post a video.
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Scientific Method
The goal of this tutorial is for you to learn about the scientific method and be able to apply that knowledge to problems.
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1. Description of the Scientific Method
One of the goals of science is to come up with explanations about how the natural world (all the things we see or experience) functions. Although there are other systems for understanding and explaining the world around us (such as religion and traditional beliefs) science differs from these in that scientific explanations are based on laws of nature. Laws of nature are patterns in nature that are objective (do not depend on faith, authority, or opinion), are testable (can be demonstrated with experiments), and are consistent (the same conditions produce the same results).The 4 Steps of the Scientific Method
To learn about the natural world, scientists use a four step procedure called the scientific method. The four steps of the scientific method are listed below. To help illustrate the scientific method, an example that an entomologist (a biologist who specializes in insects) might use is given in italics below each step.
Step 1: Observations & Questions
Observe something in the natural world and ask a question about how it works. The part of the natural world that is observed and investigated is usually the area that the scientist specializes in. An entomologist for example, would ask questions about how insects function.
“The life cycle of a fruit fly is about 30 days (at 29 degrees Celsius). How do changes in temperature affect the life cycle of a fruit fly?”
Step 2: Hypothesis
Make a hypothesis (an educated guess) which attempts to answer the question. A useful hypothesis is a testable statement.
“Decreasing the temperature of a fruit fly's environment will increase the time it takes the fruit fly to complete its life cycle.”
Step 3: Experiment
Design and carry out an experiment that is capable of testing the hypothesis. In other words, the experiment must be designed so that it will produce results that either clearly support or clearly falsify (disprove) the hypothesis. It helps to use “If-Then” predictions based on your hypothesis.
Designing a Good Experiment
The most challenging part of the scientific method is usually the third step, designing and carrying out an experiment to test the hypothesis. A well-designed experiment should include all of the following characteristics:
1. An independent variable. The independent variable is the part of the experiment that the scientist changes or manipulates to see what effect occurs.
“The temperature is the independent variable, since that is what the experiment changes to see its effect.”
2. A dependent variable. The dependent variable is the part of the experiment that changes because of the change in the independent variable. In other words, the dependent variable is the effect that occurs from changing the independent variable.
“The length of the fruit flies' life cycle is the dependent variable, since the time of development is expected to change because of the temperature.”
“Place 100 fruit flies at 18 degrees Celsius for one generation. Also place 100 fruit flies at 29 degrees Celsius for one generation. If the hypothesis is correct, then the fruit flies that develop at 18 degrees Celsius will complete their life cycle after those fruit flies that are placed at 29 degrees Celsius."
Step 4: Analyze Results and State Conclusions
Reject the hypothesis if the results are not consistent with the hypothesis or accept the hypothesis as possibly true if the results are consistent with the hypothesis. Notice that the hypothesis is not “proven to be true” even if the results do support it. This is because there may be explanations other than the hypothesis for the experimental result.
For example, if the fruit flies placed at 18 degrees Celsius do develop slower, it may be that their food is not as soft making it more difficult for the fruit flies to eat at the lower temperature, causing them to eat less food and thus grow slower.
If the experimental results do not support the hypothesis, the hypothesis may be modified and additional experiments may be done to test the new or revised hypothesis.
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More accurately, it's the first thing he says from when yours truly timestamped the YouTube video. Of course, starting with that allowed him to insert a little joke moments later about Copernicus coming to the same (correct) conclusion forgetting that it had already been made
No, it doesn't
Yes, they are
A video I made, is that what you're asking me? Are you really such a dunderhead that you won't believe anything in science unless you personally witness it?
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FEARFUL of @Hermit's attention span maxing out (in seconds), I was still hopeful that he would watch the video from the timestamp until he got to Kepler's laws of planetary motion, alas that seems unlikely to have been the case
Heck, if he had watched just a little further than that, he would have discovered more gems, such as the law of inertia, gravity (the angels flapping their wings pushing the planets towards the Sun), how we discovered that the speed of light is finite by observing the orbit of a moon of Jupiter, how because of an anomaly in the orbit of Uranus and armed only with pencil and paper, astronomers knew where to look for an undiscovered planet and sure enough, when they looked there, the planet Neptune was found. All of that stuff and more in only a few minutes of a Feynman lecture..
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-UFr1X0prbo&t=20m20s
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Post a video made by anyone that shows planets going around the sun. If you can observe it yourself, then go outside now and record a video of it.
I see you facepalmed my citation of the scientific method and then you say "I love science"... you are an absolute bell-end.I
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Like you post "videos" of flat-earth?
Yes, because you may as well have posted the recipe and cooking instructions for spaghetti carbonara
And, do I love the recipe and cooking instructions for spaghetti carbonara or do I love spaghetti carbonara?
How r u getting on with the Feynman lecture btw, have you watched any of it? And I've noticed that you haven't denied that the planets move (just that it's in an orbit around the Sun) or the law of inertia..
So, when you think about it, you should know why the Earth spins (at a constant speed so you don't notice it) -
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9zso7ChaQXQ&t=14
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