A new book on the UFO, Alien Hoax

[AN2]

3I/ATLAS - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Declan]

So it is a nothing burger and not from another star at all, it is just a comet

 

[AN2]

So it is a nothing burger and not from another star at all, it is just a comet

It's an interstellar object, entering (and then exiting) the solar system. That's the whole fucken story

 

[PISH-heads]

The search for little green men in spaceships goes on.

 

[clarke-connolly]

It's an interstellar object, entering (and then exiting) the solar system. That's the whole fucken story

If they Aliens ever do come ~ ~ We should send you to do the plain speaking !

 

[Declan]

They have not arrived and it is 2 months later. I did not and do not expect this his hoax and even less expectation of a real event

 

[AN2]

If they Aliens ever do come ~ ~ We should send you to do the plain speaking !

I think it's somewhat telling that people who believe in "alien hoaxes" believe that this is a story about aliens (it's not)

 

[jpc]

This is a story about deflection .
The ufo business is bollox.

 

[AN2]

This is a story about deflection .
The ufo business is bollox.

Well it's a real story, don't be giving @Mad as Fish any ideas

It's a story because it's an interstellar object (one of only three discovered) travelling through our solar system. We know that it's interstellar in origin because it doesn't orbit the Sun. We know that it doesn't orbit the Sun because of its (hyperbolic) path and (high) speed

You can't prevent everyone on the planet from speculating that it's a spaceship

 

[jpc]

Well it's a real story, don't be giving @Mad as Fish any ideas

It's a story because it's an interstellar object (one of only three discovered) travelling through our solar system. We know that it's interstellar in origin because it doesn't orbit the Sun. We know that it doesn't orbit the Sun because of its (hyperbolic) path and (high) speed

You can't prevent everyone on the planet from speculating that it's a spaceship

That's all fine and correct.
But that's all it is.
A lump of material wandering through the galaxy.
That's came our way.
One time only.

 

[willows68]

That's all fine and correct.
But that's all it is.
A lump of material wandering through the galaxy.
That's came our way.
One time only.

The UFO hoax a la Mars Attacks is literally the last puzzle piece before they unleash Chaos. And after that: their solution i. e. world government.
It isn't like humanity hadn't been told.
But we here in the West have let our Faith slip. And now we all pay the price.

 

[clarke-connolly]

It could be an Alien Turd gone Solid !

 

[scolairebocht]

I really hope Declan etc are right and this will blow over, but the trajectory of this hoax, in academia for example, is very much on the increase. I notice for example where Dr Avi Loeb, Harvard Professor of Science, where he is also the Director of the Institute for Theory and Computation at the Center for Astrophysics, is now saying that a cosmic object moving nearish earth in about October or November this year, might be an 'alien probe'. He is talking about it here and it would remind you a lot of the 'first contact'. Its known as 3I/Atlas:

 

[AN2]

That's all fine and correct.
But that's all it is.

And I've never said otherwise, nor has the scientific community

A lump of material wandering through the galaxy.
That's came our way.
One time only.

Indeed, we'll never see it again..

I don't think that it's to come within a few AUs of Earth. If it was on a collision course it'd be safe to say that it would be curtains

 

[AN2]

The UFO hoax a la Mars Attacks

R u talking about a fucken movie?

is literally the last puzzle piece before they unleash Chaos. And after that: their solution i. e. world government.
It isn't like humanity hadn't been told.
But we here in the West have let our Faith slip. And now we all pay the price.

There is no alien or UFO "hoax", that's just quasi-religious, conspiracy theorist delirium

 

[AN2]

I really hope Declan etc are right and this will blow over, but the trajectory of this hoax, in academia for example, is very much on the increase. I notice for example where

Dr Avi Loeb

Do you have anyone else?

Otherwise, would you ever shut up

, Harvard Professor of Science, where he is also the Director of the Institute for Theory and Computation at the Center for Astrophysics, is now saying that a cosmic object moving nearish earth in about October or November this year, might be an 'alien probe'. He is talking about it here and it would remind you a lot of the 'first contact'. Its known as 3I/Atlas:

 

[AN2]

I really hope Declan etc are right and this will blow over, but the trajectory of this hoax, in academia for example, is very much on the increase. I notice for example where Dr Avi Loeb, Harvard Professor of Science, where he is also the Director of the Institute for Theory and Computation at the Center for Astrophysics, is now saying that a cosmic object moving nearish earth in about October or November this year, might be an 'alien probe'. He is talking about it here and it would remind you a lot of the 'first contact'. Its known as 3I/Atlas:

By the way, I should add, that 31/ATLAS is the same object that we've been talking about all along, ffs

 

[willows68]

R u talking about a fucken movie?


There is no alien or UFO "hoax", that's just quasi-religious, conspiracy theorist delirium

Kinda agreeing with you there

 

[AN2]

Kinda agreeing with you there

Here's the thing, there won't be a Alien/UFO hoax, you know why? Science

It's not like the scamdemic. The best example you could give is climate science I suppose. But an alien hoax won't get by scientists. As I said before, the percentage of scientists who think that we might've been visited by LGMs is much lower than the general population. And in fact, the conspiracy theory before this one is that "they" were keeping it a secret..

 

[scolairebocht]

But the scamdemic is a good precedent to go by, there all the main scientists were all for it!

You will find that already key people will be placed in Institute's like that in Harvard, ready to spin the narrative when it starts in earnest. After all Daniel O'Connor is saying that that is already happening in the field of Catholic media channels.

 

[AN2]

But the scamdemic is a good precedent to go by,

No, it isn't

there all the main scientists were all for it!

WTF does "main scientists" mean?

You will find that already key people will be placed in Institute's like that in Harvard,

Again, if you have anyone other than Avi Loeb (whoever he is) to mention then be my guest. You won't, because there aren't any

ready to spin the narrative when it starts in earnest. After all Daniel O'Connor is saying that that is already happening in the field of Catholic media channels.

Daniel O'Connor isn't a scientist, religion and science are antithetical because religion is unscientific

 

[scolairebocht]

Actually he is a scientist (many of the great scientists are also sincere Catholics):
"Originally a mechanical engineer, Daniel’s first job after graduating RPI (Rensselaer) had him running hightech experiments at the GE Global Research headquarters aimed at achieving breakthroughs in carbonnanotube-based quantum electron emissions. There, he ran a test resulting in a world record, but realized—after defending the right to life on a radio show debate later that same day—that he could do infinitely more good for the world by speaking up for the truth than by contributing to the world's technological advancement. After a powerful GE manager informed Daniel he must promise to never again speak about religion at work, Daniel quit on the spot."

 

[AN2]

Actually he is a scientist (many of the great scientists are also sincere Catholics):
"Originally a mechanical engineer, Daniel’s first job after graduating RPI (Rensselaer) had him running hightech experiments at the GE Global Research headquarters aimed at achieving breakthroughs in carbonnanotube-based quantum electron emissions. There, he ran a test resulting in a world record, but realized—after defending the right to life on a radio show debate later that same day—that he could do infinitely more good for the world by speaking up for the truth than by contributing to the world's technological advancement. After a powerful GE manager informed Daniel he must promise to never again speak about religion at work, Daniel quit on the spot."

Daniel O'Connor is an adjunct professor of philosophy and religion at a State University of New York Community College

 

[AN2]

Actually he is a scientist (many of the great scientists are also sincere Catholics):

This is a frequent trope I see, check out this great scientist, he or she believed in God. Yet their science had nothing to do with God or religion

It's like saying, check out this great scientist, he or she was a vegetarian

 

[AN2]

But the scamdemic is a good precedent to go by, there all the main scientists were all for it!

So, as scolairebocht doesn't answer questions, I'll have to try to translate the logic here myself..

"The scamdemic is a good precedent for an alien hoax because the scientists who were for the scamdemic were the main scientists who were all for it.

I can't logically connect these two things but one is a good precedent for the other, nonetheless."

I can't do any better than that. Fuzzy thinking makes no sense to me

 

[Mad as Fish]

Here's the thing, there won't be a Alien/UFO hoax, you know why? Science

It's not like the scamdemic. The best example you could give is climate science I suppose. But an alien hoax won't get by scientists. As I said before, the percentage of scientists who think that we might've been visited by LGMs is much lower than the general population. And in fact, the conspiracy theory before this one is that "they" were keeping it a secret..

TBH, I've got to the stage where I have lost pretty much all faith in anybody who insists on identifying as a scientist.

 

[Hermit]

But an alien hoax won't get by scientists.

Why not?

 

[AN2]

Why not?

Because they won't be prepared to believe it happened (and obviously it won't have if it's a hoax) and because of the type of scientist involved. Ufology is considered pseudoscience

If your response is: What about the scamdemic? What about climate science? Then you'd have to go into more detail on how you think all of these things are comparable

 

[AN2]

TBH, I've got to the stage where I have lost pretty much all faith in anybody who insists on identifying as a scientist.

Do you apply that retroactively?

So, Newton - Pffft, Einstein - Yeah right!

 

[Mad as Fish]

Do you apply that retroactively?

So, Newton - Pffft, Einstein - Yeah right!

Whilst being retrospective I'd turn to my earlier opinions of you being something of idiotic piss artist.

 

[AN2]

Whilst being retrospective I'd turn to my earlier opinions of you being something of idiotic piss artist.

So I ask you a friendly question and you reply with ad hom? I really can't go more than 5 minutes without thinking that you're a dumb asshole, because you are

 

[Mad as Fish]

So I ask you a friendly question and you reply with ad hom? I really can't go more than 5 minutes without thinking that you're a dumb asshole, because you are

You have displayed your true colours in the past.

 

[AN2]

You have displayed your true colours in the past.

Example(s)?

 

[Hermit]

Because they won't be prepared to believe it happened (and obviously it won't have if it's a hoax)

And what if they are prepared to believe it? The stage has been set for alien contact with humans in science and popular culture over the past century. I would say most scientists believe in extra-terrestrial life, so it's not a big leap for them to believe it if Governments, militaries, space agencies, media etc put out a hoax story about some alien ship crash landing at a military base, or a radio signal from intelligent life in outer space - what can the scientists or anyone say to refute that? Anyone refusing to believe the hoax will be mocked and ostracised, same as anyone who questions the moon landing, globe earth, Covid, climate change. The scientists would believe all those authorities because "why would they lie?" and "sure they'd have to be all in on it" and they wouldn't believe the crazy conspiracy theorists.

and because of the type of scientist involved.

What type of scientist are you referring to?

Ufology is considered pseudoscience

But aliens are not.

 

[AN2]

And what if they are prepared to believe it?

They won't be without proof, was the point I was making..

The stage has been set for alien contact with humans in science and popular culture over the past century.

That's science fiction not to be confused with science

I would say most scientists believe in extra-terrestrial life, so it's not a big leap for them to believe it if Governments, militaries, space agencies, media etc put out a hoax story about some alien ship crash landing at a military base

Considering the vastness of the cosmos, yes, a lot of astrophysicists would make the assumption that there's life elsewhere, the real gnosticism though is from the likes of @scolairebocht and @Tiger who say that there isn't (because Jesus <- they're too frightened to admit that part)

Extra-terrestrial life existing and being visited by same certainly is a big leap. Sure, there are people (with some credentials) like this Avi Loeb chap who'll suggest spaceships in our solar system but there are cranks in every field (looking for a bit of notoriety and/or money), in chemistry and biology there's the likes of James Tour and Denis Noble..

or a radio signal from intelligent life in outer space - what can the scientists or anyone say to refute that?

It's scientists who are looking for those signals (SETI (international in scope) has been around for decades) so that should be quite easy

Anyone refusing to believe the hoax will be mocked and ostracised, same as anyone who questions the moon landing, globe earth, Covid, climate change. The scientists would believe all those authorities because "why would they lie?" and "sure they'd have to be all in on it" and they wouldn't believe the crazy conspiracy theorists.

First of all, anyone who doesn't believe the Earth is the shape that it is, known for millennia and which modern, rudimentary science tells us it has to be (again, your only get-out-clause is God) deserves to be mocked

One of the fails of the Moon landings conspiracy theory is that it would have be on such a grand scale, not dissimilar to an Alien/UFO hoax

I don't think that the scamdemic is a good eh, precedent for a Alien/UFO hoax. I mean, who were the scientists involved in that, Dr. Fauci and Ryan Tubridy?

And so that just leaves climate science. However climate science is science

What type of scientist are you referring to?

People who are already searching for alien life, astrophysicists, astronomers etc. I mean, what's the gubbermint gonna say, yeah, we found this alien spaceship along with a bunch of alien corpses, wanna have a look?

Of course, I find the premise of this whole thing ridiculous anyway, or as I think I previously put it - quasi-religious, conspiracy theory delirium

But aliens are not.

"Aliens" isn't science one way or the other

 

[scolairebocht]

This is Avi Loeb again, you can see how this hoax is to push us towards their horrific one world government on the one hand, and also you can see the Occultic Messianic talk that they will push with this:
View: https://x.com/JoshuaTCharles/status/1953931445610991681?t=REMK45Cg4bURm6Dsnj9ACQ&s=19
.

 

[AN2]

This is Avi Loeb again

Well it always is, isn't it

, you can see how this hoax is to push us towards their horrific one world government on the one hand, and also you can see the Occultic Messianic talk that they will push with this:
View: https://x.com/JoshuaTCharles/status/1953931445610991681?t=REMK45Cg4bURm6Dsnj9ACQ&s=19
.

 

[PISH-heads]

This is Avi Loeb again, you can see how this hoax is to push us towards their horrific one world government on the one hand, and also you can see the Occultic Messianic talk that they will push with this:
View: https://x.com/JoshuaTCharles/status/1953931445610991681?t=REMK45Cg4bURm6Dsnj9ACQ&s=19
.

Yup

Freemasons doing their thang....


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkU7ZqbADRs

 

[PISH-heads]

The powers that be have definitely been ramping up the UFO propaganda over the last few years by
periodically releasing some classified footage of alleged alien craft whilst also propping up
so called whistleblowers within the government.

There's a very dew-ish looking young man with a popular Youtube channel named Jesse Michaels who
attempts to lend credibility to "the phenomenon" by interviewing academic types who believe in aliens.
Recently some "Catholic" female professor has been making the rounds on such platforms promoting
her book which claims many of the apparitions experienced by Catholic saints were in fact cases of alien
abductions.

Some internet sleuths were able to find out that Jesse Michaels, who came out of nowhere, and captured
a sizable audience in a very crowded field, was and is the personal investor for none other than Peter Thiel,
the gαy billionaire who owns Palantir, the worldwide surveillance system.

 

[AN2]

Avi Loeb argues with SETI astronomer Jill Tarter -


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bh3DnraBCqw