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Two recent plane crashes. The Azerbaijan Airlines accident was perhaps a result of a missile strike and it is a miracle that anyone survived at all, while the Korean incident appears to be mechanical failure on yet another Boeing.

Yet before we blame the company's woke culture for the incident the plane was 15 years old and was first delivered to Ryanair, but still, it doesn't look good for the plane manufacturer, nor the travel industry as people start to think about their summer holidays.

No doubt it will be pointed out that flying is still the safest form of travel but will this make people pause before rushing to book with with our good friend Mr Lowery and the totally dishonest company he leads?

217 perished in total - RIP.
 

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Two recent plane crashes. The Azerbaijan Airlines accident was perhaps a result of a missile strike and it is a miracle that anyone survived at all, while the Korean incident appears to be mechanical failure on yet another Boeing.

Yet before we blame the company's woke culture for the incident the plane was 15 years old and was first delivered to Ryanair, but still, it doesn't look good for the plane manufacturer, nor the travel industry as people start to think about their summer holidays.

No doubt it will be pointed out that flying is still the safest form of travel but will this make people pause before rushing to book with with our good friend Mr Lowery and the totally dishonest company he leads?

217 perished in total - RIP.
the azerbajan plane was strafed from the ground by 50 cal machine guns .
this did not take place in Russia .
the Boeing in south Korea made two attempts to land and the APU ( on board jet engine generator in the tail) is able to provide electrical power to fly the aircraft and hydraulic power to power the controls and undercarriage which has 4 separate circuits to enable its use even if all engines fail .
there was no engineering reason they could not lower the undercarriage .
the plane came in too fast to the runway and picked a runway with a concrete wall at the end which no runway in Europe has .
had the wall been absent there is a good chance they would all have survived .
whatever was happening the crew seemed to be overcome by the amount of work they were asked to do .
 

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the azerbajan plane was strafed from the ground by 50 cal machine guns .
this did not take place in Russia .
the Boeing in south Korea made two attempts to land and the APU ( on board jet engine generator in the tail) is able to provide electrical power to fly the aircraft and hydraulic power to power the controls and undercarriage which has 4 separate circuits to enable its use even if all engines fail .
there was no engineering reason they could not lower the undercarriage .
the plane came in too fast to the runway and picked a runway with a concrete wall at the end which no runway in Europe has .
had the wall been absent there is a good chance they would all have survived .
whatever was happening the crew seemed to be overcome by the amount of work they were asked to do .
The strafing would explain the three thumps reported by all the survivors on the Azerbaijan plane, a missile would have taken it out altogether I'd have thought.

The Boeing is a mystery though. Whatever the workload of a flight crew putting the gear down would be ingrained in them surely, and would they not have been directed as to which runway to use? The cockpit voice recorder would be the key here but as yet I don't think it has been found.
 

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What the f**k UK has to do with this plane crash?
The desperation of the UK government to still besmirch Putin is rapidly becoming the eighth wonder of the world. It carries on as if somebody might actually give a toss as to what it thinks.

The world moves on, the UK does not.
 

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What happened in regards the Azerbaijan plane and South Korea are two completely different things. Embraer ERJ set of planes are considered a fairly safe plane, where it was foreign interference that ended those people that died one way or the other. Boeing flight, not so, where i may caveat on such at the end.

There was a second incident on the same day regards a boeing plane where the landing gear failed to deploy https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/boeing-...port-after-landing-gear-malfunction-1.7125616

Boeing has a die problem, the die culture, diversity, inclusion and equity, hiring non white men to do the work building the plane, where they preference women, or brown or black people as the only hires, who in turn are less likely to unionise, push back or know what the hell they are doing, as it is not regards merit that they are hired regards weight. Not that it's any different to the Musks of the world, where with h1b, indians will not unionise, will work overtime without pay, wouldn't complain, wouldn't sue, wouldn't look to whatever employment laws they may have as rights, will work for less, and so are not the best talent for the job regards why they are employed.

https://nypost.com/2024/01/11/business/elon-musk-rips-boeing-they-prioritized-dei-over-safety/ Obviously Musk has his own weight on such, he is a libertarian where it suits him, but he is not wrong, a different side of the coin where hiring indians is a lot better then hiring people based on the fact that they are not white men alone as your justification, may seem correct to his views, not that I think he has believes anything hard regards a belief system. Actual push back seems to fold this lad in many ways. I doubt he is of a mind that he puts a bad response out there and pulls back to a slightly better position to make people think they won a victory, and so placate the fools into a direction of his own making that is not of their best interests, rather then he is not of a hardened core belief system, but who knows.

There have been many whistle blowers on the crap this company is doing, that have ended up dead. https://nypost.com/2024/03/14/us-ne...ssed-on-night-before-alleged-suicide-sources/ The amount of incidents of doors blowing off the plane in flight https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68220627 or the landing gears not working, etc.. have been numerous over the years, or just planes falling out of the sky due to them having indians write the software on the cheap.


Oh, shit, the diversity angle of the best of the best from India that Musk was pushing seems to fail here, who would have thought. I find I am hating these people more and more, pushing either side of an argument that can be crushed regards reality, the false dialectic. We need to remove the foreign entity notion as a supposed solution and remove the mentally ill notions of today that are driving said other side of the same coin like die, and so a solution or the norm of the past returning. as in to hire our own, and in this case our own men of worth regards engineering and similar roles that we have excelled at, where European men have built practically everything the modern world has today, regards what is of use, others try copy, whatever.

I do have an issue that this was in South Korea though, regards of late on what has happened there, I do not out rule an external entity from the west or middle east, but I cannot say such regards reality, I just see patterns here that I do not like.
 
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What happened in regards the Azerbaijan plane and South Korea are two completely different things. Embraer ERJ set of planes are considered a fairly safe plane, where it was foreign interference that ended those people that died one way or the other. Boeing flight, not so, where i may caveat on such at the end.

There was a second incident on the same day regards a boeing plane where the landing gear failed to deploy https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/boeing-...port-after-landing-gear-malfunction-1.7125616

Boeing has a die problem, the die culture, diversity, inclusion and equity, hiring non white men to do the work building the plane, where they preference women, or brown or black people as the only hires, who in turn are less likely to unionise, push back or know what the hell they are doing, as it is not regards merit that they are hired regards weight. Not that it's any different to the Musks of the world, where with h1b, indians will not unionise, will work overtime without pay, wouldn't complain, wouldn't sue, wouldn't look to whatever employment laws they may have as rights, will work for less, and so are not the best talent for the job regards why they are employed.

https://nypost.com/2024/01/11/business/elon-musk-rips-boeing-they-prioritized-dei-over-safety/ Obviously Musk has his own weight on such, he is a libertarian where it suits him, but he is not wrong, a different side of the coin where hiring indians is a lot better then hiring people based on the fact that they are not white men alone as your justification, may seem correct to his views, not that I think he has believes anything hard regards a belief system. Actual push back seems to fold this lad in many ways. I doubt he is of a mind that he puts a bad response out there and pulls back to a slightly better position to make people think they won a victory, and so placate the fools into a direction of his own making that is not of their best interests, rather then he is not of a hardened core belief system, but who knows.

There have been many whistle blowers on the crap this company is doing, that have ended up dead. https://nypost.com/2024/03/14/us-ne...ssed-on-night-before-alleged-suicide-sources/ The amount of incidents of doors blowing off the plane in flight https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68220627 or the landing gears not working, etc.. have been numerous over the years, or just planes falling out of the sky due to them having indians write the software on the cheap.


Oh, shit, the diversity angle of the best of the best from India that Musk was pushing seems to fail here, who would have thought. I find I am hating these people more and more, pushing either side of an argument that can be crushed regards reality, the false dialectic. We need to remove the foreign entity notion as a supposed solution and remove the mentally ill notions of today that are driving said other side of the same coin like die, and so a solution or the norm of the past returning. as in to hire our own, and in this case our own men of worth regards engineering and similar roles that we have excelled at, where European men have built practically everything the modern world has today, regards what is of use, others try copy, whatever.

I do have an issue that this was in South Korea though, regards of late on what has happened there, I do not out rule an external entity from the west or middle east, but I cannot say such regards reality, I just see patterns here that I do not like.
I was going to point out that the Boeing was made back in 2009, before wokeism took such a firm grip upon the company, but reading one of your links the diversification has been underway since 2000 and was driven by cost not idealogy, so is DIE anything other than an excuse for cost cutting? Most likely not, no wonder it was so popular.

Meanwhile, the decision by Ryanair to buy all those Boeings might yet come to haunt it, although the fleet is kept reasonably fresh as far as I know.
 
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I was going to point out that the Boeing was made back in 2009, before wokeism took such a firm grip upon the company, but reading one of your links the diversification has been underway since 2000 and was driven by cost not idealogy, so is DIE anything other than an excuse for cost cutting? Most likely not, no wonder it was so popular.

Meanwhile, the decision by Ryanair to buy all those Boeings might yet come to haunt it, although the fleet is kept reasonably fresh as far as I know.
The DIE of late was at least from around 2008 and the collapse of the banking system at that time, where the cheap finance and so control was pushed by trillion dollar hedge funds like the black rocks and the other two ones that I cannot think of right now, and others, to implement such practices as default with the help of the NGO's and open foundation notionares, where they all had different potential outcomes.

H1B started in america back in the 1990's, for cheap labour, where there where many restrictions on such. Such restrictions were eventually gotten around over the decades.

And you are correct, the whole point of this from a financial perspective that they could import cheap labour that would do the same job, where such notions were massaged by others into getting into DIE, lets get the non white men in the country to do such, again through cheap financing and telling them they were correct, and if the board did not accept, replace enough of them till they did, due to the fact you owned already X shares of the company.

Where all sides inevitably of said company X get to a point over time that they can circlejerk themselves into all thinking themselves right, you end up with this.


There is no one point of collapse, but such thinking over decades, will lead to collapse, and so the current western situation, it just happens that boeing is ahead of the curve.
 

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