An Easter Proclamation for the new Irish Nationalist Movement

[scolairebocht]

We the undersigned subscribe to the following principals and practices for the Irish Nationalist Movement.

1) That we believe that the ancient race of the Irish people, have a right to the land of Ireland (all 32 counties), and a duty to defend it if attacked or invaded. That the current level of deliberate, coordinated and discriminatory mass migration into Ireland, constitutes such an invasion, and we call on Irish people to rise up against it.

2) That Irish people over centuries of religious persecution, sought the creation of a society where ones private conscience and exercise of religion was respected and not discriminated against, because even where many feel that the Catholic faith is the one true understanding of the natural and supernatural world, it is also felt in that religion that people should be allowed to exercise their free will in pursuit of it. In short Irish people felt that nobody should be coerced into a love of God.
However in modern times this liberal and tolerant principle in the exercise of religion in Ireland, has become completely distorted. In state owned or influenced properties (a category every growing in Ireland under what is an almost Communist state system) we have the systematic running down and stripping out of any semblance of the traditional Catholic faith of Irish people, the slandering of its historic record here, and the open sponsoring of its replacement in such as LGBT movements and even, in modern times, Islam.
This highlights that a completely even handed equality between religions and none, is not a sustainable model going forward, that Ireland is a Catholic country and that we therefore call upon people to support the nascent Catholic revival in this country, while still maintaining the right of people to hold different opinions and faiths in the Irish Nationalist movement.
3) That the Irish political and economic elite, in allowing an over powerful state to develop on the one hand (crushing many, for example, in huge taxes and intrusive, complex and expensive regulations) and also creating an environment geared to the success only of foreign multinationals (many of whom actually employ few Irish people) and the over emphasis on the pursuit and accumulation of wealth, on the other hand, has destroyed the normal economic structures of employment, housing, healthcare etc, for many Irish people. As such, there has to be some fair arrangement whereby ordinary people can have a reasonable hope of getting access to housing, healthcare, transport, and justice among other needs, whether public or private, and that this is now not happening and needs to be corrected and this injustice fought against.
4) That with the degree of state power in Ireland, especially since that power is the plaything of corrupt international and transnational organisations, from the EU to the WHO, we are resembling a Communist state and are absorbing the kind of lies, exaggerations and hoaxes, which are normal in that kind of society. Hence we call on people to oppose:
– Extreme feminism, which causes a lot of unnecessary turmoil in society, and is one of the prime reasons for disastrous practices like abortion.
– The concept of ‘racism’ whereby the Irish people, and Europeans in general, are discouraged from standing up for their own race, and its predominant position in the island of Ireland. We of course make no claim to be the master race, but the fight we are in is partly about race, and we call on Irish people to defend theirs. We also reject all slanders and concocted or exaggerated negative histories against our race, and the European races in general.
– The ritual slander that criticising the exercise of this state and transnational power, is a ‘conspiracy theory’. The people whom we oppose are intelligent and with vast financial, academic and media power behind them, hence it is not sensible to underestimate them in this manner.
– Specifically we also reject the Climate Change hoax and the new Extra-Terrestrial Alien hoax.

We would also like to encourage and discourage certain practices in pursuit of these goals at this time:
1) Because of the serious issue of widespread vote fraud, we do not believe that pursuing electoral politics is sensible for this movement, at least in the short term.
2) Similarly the pursuit of legal cases is mostly impossible in the current climate, and ought not to be the focus of our efforts.
3) That the protests held against IPAS centres in Ireland should be completely supported by all Irish people.
4) That we encourage people to come forward publicly and identify with this movement.

As such we ask that anybody who would like to sign up to this proclamation, would give their real name and county in the comments below and accept that this list will be made public (or if abroad, their country of residence).

Do chum Glóire Dé, agus Onóra na hÉireann.

 

[scolairebocht]

This comment is to be a kind of covering letter for the above.

So what is the point of getting people to sign this? Because if you read it you can see that it is quietly very forthright, particularly on the current invasion, and if we can get people to sign up publicly for these it will show that many Irish people are not falling for the propaganda or ‘conspiracy theory’ slanders, etc, and are prepared to stand up and be counted in opposing this.

Incidentally this of course is just a broad outline of what hopefully many people believe, I am sure there are many other principles and policies that others would like to contribute here and elsewhere.

These principles were inspired by work that Declan Kelly, from Galway originally, has been doing trying to get people in the new Nationalist Movement in Ireland to work together, and as such they have been critiqued on some private groups and by email and phonecalls etc. This feedback has really centred on the Catholic references above, because while many are very supportive of these clauses, others have some difficulties with it. The bottom line is that as I write this two Catholic Churches in Ireland have been torched apparently by Muslim immigrants, a strong pattern already set in France, in Donegal and Dublin, and in that type of environment surely we all have to take a stand and not be ‘neutral’ when our historic faith is being so attacked? In any case here are a number of other points made in response to this feedback on the Catholic references:

A. The way I see it, since particularly the French Revolution we have an idea brought into this country that the secular world, political parties, activists whatever, should never speak about religion. That religion is almost a bad word in that sense, that its down to everybody’s personal choice etc etc.

I think that makes a lot of sense, and mostly I believe we should adhere to it, but if you actually see what is happening in modern Ireland you can see these French Revolutionary principles of tolerance, are been manipulated against Catholics. Meaning, for example, that everybody is entitled to their personal space as regards private morality, supposedly, but we have huge gay pride parades walking down the street pushing that morality, and they are basically teaching globalist morality and ideology, with its great sexual licence at a young age, very aggressively in the schools. Actually they are constantly preaching to us about what our personal morality should be, whether it be on sexuality or racism and countless other things.

So this secularism, this idea of separating Church and State in that sense, has evolved into anybody can preach about anything in the public square, except Catholics. It is in fact a war against the traditional religion of the Irish people, disguised as tolerance, and why not fight back against that?

B. Many people are surprised at some of the atrocities committed by Muslims in Ireland and the West in recent years, they say ‘they are not like us’ etc etc. Well its true in many ways, and why is that so? Because Islam is not like Christianity, the values that you take for granted in the West, e.g. that its a bad thing that a man would have sexual relations with a 10 year old, is not necessarily the view of an Islamist, whose great prophet figure actually had a wife in that bracket.

So if you pause to think about it, you can see that the society around you is falling apart at least in part because people are neglecting these old Christian values whether it be charity, truthfulness, respecting private property, warning against a love of money, warning off sexuality except in a marriage, etc etc. If you want to get your society back you ought to support a Catholic Revival that is hopefully also going to reinforce these great values?

C. This is the traditions of our recent ancestors. The people that wrote the Easter Proclamation, and the Irish soldiers in the subsequent war, always emphasised the practice of the Rosary and confessions etc, moreso than was true of the general population at that time. If you don’t believe me just read Pearse’s Íosagán, or the poems of Joseph Mary Plunkett etc etc. They had a nightly Rosary in the GPO and the whole movement at that time, in prisons for example, was the same way.

So while not trying to push Catholicism on people who join this movement, its still very much your choice, but as a movement we should I think embrace this Catholic Revival now in Ireland, as those heroes did in those years of 1916-21.

 

[scolairebocht]

Brian Nugent, Co. Meath

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Disgusting

 

[Nyob]

This comment is to be a kind of covering letter for the above.

So what is the point of getting people to sign this? Because if you read it you can see that it is quietly very forthright, particularly on the current invasion, and if we can get people to sign up publicly for these it will show that many Irish people are not falling for the propaganda or ‘conspiracy theory’ slanders, etc, and are prepared to stand up and be counted in opposing this.

Incidentally this of course is just a broad outline of what hopefully many people believe, I am sure there are many other principles and policies that others would like to contribute here and elsewhere.

These principles were inspired by work that Declan Kelly, from Galway originally, has been doing trying to get people in the new Nationalist Movement in Ireland to work together, and as such they have been critiqued on some private groups and by email and phonecalls etc. This feedback has really centred on the Catholic references above, because while many are very supportive of these clauses, others have some difficulties with it.

Well there you have it

The bottom line is that as I write this two Catholic Churches in Ireland have been torched apparently by Muslim immigrants, a strong pattern already set in France, in Donegal and Dublin, and in that type of environment surely we all have to take a stand and not be ‘neutral’ when our historic faith is being so attacked? In any case here are a number of other points made in response to this feedback on the Catholic references:

A. The way I see it, since particularly the French Revolution we have an idea brought into this country that the secular world, political parties, activists whatever, should never speak about religion. That religion is almost a bad word in that sense, that its down to everybody’s personal choice etc etc.

I think that makes a lot of sense, and mostly I believe we should adhere to it, but if you actually see what is happening in modern Ireland you can see these French Revolutionary principles of tolerance, are been manipulated against Catholics. Meaning, for example, that everybody is entitled to their personal space as regards private morality, supposedly, but we have huge gay pride parades walking down the street pushing that morality, and they are basically teaching globalist morality and ideology, with its great sexual licence at a young age, very aggressively in the schools. Actually they are constantly preaching to us about what our personal morality should be, whether it be on sexuality or racism and countless other things.

So this secularism, this idea of separating Church and State in that sense, has evolved into anybody can preach about anything in the public square, except Catholics. It is in fact a war against the traditional religion of the Irish people, disguised as tolerance, and why not fight back against that?

B. Many people are surprised at some of the atrocities committed by Muslims in Ireland and the West in recent years, they say ‘they are not like us’ etc etc. Well its true in many ways, and why is that so? Because Islam is not like Christianity, the values that you take for granted in the West, e.g. that its a bad thing that a man would have sexual relations with a 10 year old, is not necessarily the view of an Islamist, whose great prophet figure actually had a wife in that bracket.

So if you pause to think about it, you can see that the society around you is falling apart at least in part because people are neglecting these old Christian values whether it be charity, truthfulness, respecting private property, warning against a love of money, warning off sexuality except in a marriage, etc etc. If you want to get your society back you ought to support a Catholic Revival that is hopefully also going to reinforce these great values?

C. This is the traditions of our recent ancestors. The people that wrote the Easter Proclamation, and the Irish soldiers in the subsequent war, always emphasised the practice of the Rosary and confessions etc, moreso than was true of the general population at that time. If you don’t believe me just read Pearse’s Íosagán, or the poems of Joseph Mary Plunkett etc etc. They had a nightly Rosary in the GPO and the whole movement at that time, in prisons for example, was the same way.

So while not trying to push Catholicism on people who join this movement, its still very much your choice, but as a movement we should I think embrace this Catholic Revival now in Ireland, as those heroes did in those years of 1916-21.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Disgusting

What are you refering to above?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

The OP.

(A) Its way too long

(B) It sounds like its been written by a psycho

 

[scolairebocht]

There are sides of cereal packets that are "way too long" in your book!

 

[Nyob]

There are sides of cereal packets that are "way too long" in your book!

I read all of it.. And it doesn't appeal

It's Catholic fanaticism

 

[scolairebocht]

What will you be doing as the Muslims burn those Churches can I ask, stay neutral?

 

[Nyob]

What will you be doing as the Muslims burn those Churches can I ask, stay neutral?

I'm an atheist who's against Muslims burning churches or even being here

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Bocht you'll find most people who are anti-Muslim aren't religious.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

What will you be doing as the Muslims burn those Churches can I ask, stay neutral?

The reason we hear so much negative about Muslims and Islam (my interweb "feed" is full of this largely nonsense stuff- interesting that) is for various reasons, a huge one is that it serves to redirect energy that otherwise would have gone into opposing mass immigration as such but there are others such as Islam being perceived as a threat to Usury, the veneration of homosexuality and Jewish supremacism which are three things that historic Catholicism has often very sternly opposed (and let us remember that Jewish Supremacists have much more historical and indeed intrinsic Theological "beef" with Catholicism and Catholics than they do with Islam and Muslims).

Beyond that though most people who are anti-Muslim in the contemporary West, though this is not necessarily true in the six counties and in segments of the indigenous French population, are so primarily because they have problems with the concept of Authoritative Revealed Religion as such, the notion of "Thus Saith the Lord" imposing on their "Non Serviam" self important attitudes to existence, and if they do not have the same attitude towards contemporary Christianity it is because they see It as filmy flammy effeminacy always willing to indulge people and sentimentality.

Catholics taking a "pick me" attitude vis a vis Muslims with such people could well be Spiritually disastrous for a Catholicism already in bad Spiritual straits here.

 

[céline]

The reason we hear so much negative about Muslims and Islam (my interweb "feed" is full of this largely nonsense stuff- interesting that) is for various reasons, a huge one is that it serves to redirect energy that otherwise would have gone into opposing mass immigration as such but there are others such as Islam being perceived as a threat to Usury, the veneration of homosexuality and Jewish supremacism which are three things that historic Catholicism has often very sternly opposed (and let us remember that Jewish Supremacists have much more historical and indeed intrinsic Theological "beef" with Catholicism and Catholics than they do with Islam and Muslims).

Beyond that though most people who are anti-Muslim in the contemporary West, though this is not necessarily true in the six counties and in segments of the indigenous French population, are so primarily because they have problems with the concept of Authoritative Revealed Religion as such, the notion of "Thus Saith the Lord" imposing on their "Non Serviam" self important attitudes to existence, and if they do not have the same attitude towards contemporary Christianity it is because they see It as filmy flammy effeminacy always willing to indulge people and sentimentality.

Catholics taking a "pick me" attitude vis a vis Muslims with such people could well be Spiritually disastrous for a Catholicism already in bad Spiritual straits here.

I agree that islamophobia comes from people who feel their Jewish degeneracy is under threat. I don't think we should convert to Islam, though. We should focus on a pan-Christian & pan-European unity primarily against the Jews.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

I agree that islamophobia comes from people who feel their Jewish degeneracy is under threat. I don't think we should convert to Islam, though. We should focus on a pan-Christian & pan-European unity primarily against the Jews.

I definitely do not think we should convert to Islam.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

A problem with the OP is that Catholics are a minority in Ireland, making up about 20 per cent of the indigenous population and I am not defining Catholic super strictly at all, if you define the term Catholic strictly the percentage might even be lower than five per cent.

Therefore while Ireland is indeed historically a Catholic country building a National movement around Catholicism under the contemporary circumstances will not work.

 

[Nyob]

A problem with the OP is that Catholics are a minority in Ireland, making up about 20 per cent of the indigenous population and I am not defining Catholic super strictly at all

I don't know where you're getting that the 20% figure from, or why you think that 69% of respondents in the last census identified as Catholic

, if you define the term Catholic strictly the percentage might even be lower than five per cent.

Therefore while Ireland is indeed historically a Catholic country building a National movement around Catholicism under the contemporary circumstances will not work.

I think Christianity can be part of a nationalist movement but not the centrepiece of it, replete with the author's own religious quirks such as the "Extra-Terrestrial Alien hoax"

 

[SwordOfStZip]

I don't know where you're getting that the 20% figure from, or why you think that 69% of respondents in the last census identified as Catholic


I think Christianity can be part of a nationalist movement but not the centrepiece of it, replete with the author's own religious quirks such as the "Extra-Terrestrial Alien hoax"

People who voted for abortion on demand or homosexualist marriage are not Catholic in any meaningful way. People can be "Catholic" as in come from a Catholic background or heritage and not be Catholic in terms of Faith and life.

 

[Nyob]

People who voted for abortion on demand or homosexualist marriage are not Catholic in any meaningful way. People can be "Catholic" as in come from a Catholic background or heritage and not be Catholic in terms of Faith and life.

God, I remember when I would say to people that I was voting against homosexualist marriage, their heads would fall off

Of course, I understand the religious gripe but mine was more about it further legitimising gay adoption which, as I've said before, I think is an abhorrent practise

Some people say that they didn't realise the referendum on abortion would lead to abortion on demand (and yes, I think that's stupid)

It's weird isn't it, here I am, an atheist, who agrees with you on both of these issues

 

[céline]

It's probably helpful to make alliances with Christians & possibly even Muslims, but not Jews.

Hitler was never able to fully assimilate Lutheranism in to National Socialism but it was probably good he made an alliance with them.

Luther was a great influence on National Socialism with his book 'The Jews & their Lies'.

Looking at a map of voting during elections, it was Lutheran Prussia from which most of the votes for National Socialism came.

Hitler probably also found it easy to invade Northern France because of its Calvinism.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

I agree that islamophobia comes from people who feel their Jewish degeneracy is under threat.

What a load of Cockology

 

[céline]

What a load of Cockology

Aren't you an Atheist?

Most racial Jews are Atheist.

Atheism itself is like philosophical Judaism which gentiles can follow.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

It's probably helpful to make alliances with Christians & possibly even Muslims, but not Jews.

Hitler was never able to fully assimilate Lutheranism in to National Socialism but it was probably good he made an alliance with them.

No the NSDAP was able to fully assimilate Liberal (as in Theologically Liberal) Protestantism into Hitlerism but not Confessional Lutheranism. Historic Lutheran ideas about the Original Sin were very much at loggerheads with Hitlerism.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

I don't know where you're getting that the 20% figure from, or why you think that 69% of respondents in the last census identified as Catholic

Well this raises a huge question if you are going to define your political movement as Catholic- who gets to define what and who exactly is Catholic? My Parish Priest would not consider Tiger to be Catholic because of his views on the SSPX and it is possible that Tiger would not consider him to be one (for the record I most definitely consider Tiger to be a Catholic). Also I think if a Catholic Nationalist movement gained any type of prominency the Bishops would go crazy condemning and even excommunicating people which would spilt the movement between people who would, I think correctly, feel that the Bishops were over reaching their Authority and others who would feel conscience bound to go along with them. In theory I find the idea of a Theocracy very appealing emotionally but once I start thinking seriously about the practicalities I basically go off the idea.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

My Parish Priest would not consider Tiger to be Catholic.

 

[scolairebocht]

I think maybe some are misunderstanding what this document is about. Its hopefully providing some leadership to Irish people, showing, hopefully, what we ought to do as a country right now. What it isn't is an opinion poll asking the majority of the Irish people what they want to do now, its leadership I hope, its giving people pause to think that maybe some of these issues, that they otherwise mightn't have thought of, ought to be considered. Remember the Easter Proclamation of 1916 was only signed by a handful, and supported by a small minority, many of whom were actually despised by a big segment of even the population of Dublin. But they led people, I think, the right way, and I think we should be very grateful to them.

Besides, what are we to make of the fact that so many people are anti the Catholic Church in modern Ireland? The current Irish generation, and even the one before it, has never known anything other than constant sneers and slanders against that Church for decades and decades, through their academia, media and political system. This is true obviously of all Communist states and very true of modern Ireland but maybe if people read this, and the further reasons you can see in the covering letter, maybe they might pause and see that the traditional faith of the Irish people needs to be supported right now.

Hopefully the reference to the extra-terrestrial aliens hoax, is another example of that leadership which this paper, and the people that sign it, might hope to provide. Yes it isn't a big thing yet in the Irish media and academia landscape, but its growing exponentially as such in the US in particular and we are certainly soon to see the hoaxed 'first contact'. Its clearly another hoax like the climate change one and we should be out front condemning it.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

The Clerical Establishment in Ireland hate the SSPX (the part of the Church which Tiger aligns with) with a seething intensity that often if not usually out does the hatred a lot of "Free Presbyterians", etc have for Catholics in general. In fact often their hatred even equals that which your Imam Tawhidi holds towards Sunni Muslims. It is a not a laughing matter at all- in fact it is a reality I find very depressing.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Pull yourself together Bocht. Your Church comitted HaraKiri in this Country and has no-one to blame but itself.

And if every video of yours pertaining to be it revitalising itself is to be believed, with the amount of white heads in the pews it only has another decade or so to go before it vanishes entirely.

 

[Nyob]

I think maybe some are misunderstanding what this document is about. Its hopefully providing some leadership to Irish people, showing, hopefully, what we ought to do as a country right now. What it isn't is an opinion poll asking the majority of the Irish people what they want to do now, its leadership I hope, its giving people pause to think that maybe some of these issues, that they otherwise mightn't have thought of, ought to be considered. Remember the Easter Proclamation of 1916 was only signed by a handful, and supported by a small minority, many of whom were actually despised by a big segment of even the population of Dublin. But they led people, I think, the right way, and I think we should be very grateful to them.

Besides, what are we to make of the fact that so many people are anti the Catholic Church in modern Ireland? The current Irish generation, and even the one before it, has never known anything other than constant sneers and slanders against that Church for decades and decades, through their academia, media and political system. This is true obviously of all Communist states and very true of modern Ireland but maybe if people read this, and the further reasons you can see in the covering letter, maybe they might pause and see that the traditional faith of the Irish people needs to be supported right now.

Hopefully the reference to the extra-terrestrial aliens hoax, is another example of that leadership which this paper, and the people that sign it, might hope to provide. Yes it isn't a big thing yet in the Irish media and academia landscape, but its growing exponentially as such in the US in particular and we are certainly soon to see the hoaxed 'first contact'. Its clearly another hoax like the climate change one and we should be out front condemning it.

You assert that aliens don't exist, as does Tiger

Until you tell me why you assert that there isn't any life in the entire universe with the exception of on this planet, then I will make the safe assumption that it's a religious assertion, which is of course not scientific

 

[Nyob]

Well this raises a huge question if you are going to define your political movement as Catholic- who gets to define what and who exactly is Catholic? My Parish Priest would not consider Tiger to be Catholic because of his views on the SSPX and it is possible that Tiger would not consider him to be one (for the record I most definitely consider Tiger to be a Catholic). Also I think if a Catholic Nationalist movement gained any type of prominency the Bishops would go crazy condemning and even excommunicating people which would spilt the movement between people who would, I think correctly, feel that the Bishops were over reaching their Authority and others who would feel conscience bound to go along with them. In theory I find the idea of a Theocracy very appealing emotionally but once I start thinking seriously about the practicalities I basically go off the idea.

Besides the infighting, why would you even want to organise a nationalist movement around something that a billion other people who aren't Irish, are?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

The Clerical Establishment in Ireland hate the SSPX (the part of the Church which Tiger aligns with) with a seething intensity that often if not usually out does the hatred a lot of "Free Presbyterians", etc have for Catholics in general. In fact often their hatred even equals that which your Imam Tawhidi holds towards Sunni Muslims. It is a not a laughing matter at all- in fact it is a reality I find very depressing.

Tawhidi hates no man. That's why he's called The Imam of Peace.

 

[BelfastRatepayer]

Don't quit your day job!

 

[scolairebocht]

Well if you feel you could improve on it, fire away!

 

[BelfastRatepayer]

Well if you feel you could improve on it, fire away!

I am a "Coke Original" man, not this new shtuff.

 

[Nyob]

View: https://t.me/DerekRants/10410

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Tawhidi hates no man. That's why he's called The Imam of Peace.

Were you being sarcastic there?

 

[SwordOfStZip]

I agree that islamophobia comes from people who feel their Jewish degeneracy is under threat.

I have been to get back to things on this thread but I don't think I will be able to do so today- but I feel I should deal with the above now.

A lot of the enthusiasts for anti-Muslim stuff in the UK are so for a large part because they honestly believe that Muslims pose a threat to the "Full English Breakfast" which is a slightly more civilized version of the infamous "Ulster Fry" and like it contains a large percentage of products from the carcasses of swine.

A major reason that a fair amount of Jews people superior to your average English man is that they hold the sneering contempt they hold them in for their consumptions of "Full English Breakfasts". Of all things I don't see how you can label this a "Jewish Degeneracy".

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Pull yourself together Bocht. Your Church comitted HaraKiri in this Country and has no-one to blame but itself.

Just because there were massive internal problems in Irish Catholicism does not mean that It did not have external enemies ready to take advantage of them and the problems they caused.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Were you being sarcastic there?

No. If only all Muzzies were like him there'd be no trouble.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Just because there were massive internal problems in Irish Catholicism does not mean that It did not have external enemies ready to take advantage of them and the problems they caused.

Well they didn't half open the gates and roll out the welcome mat for them did they?