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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tiger" data-source="post: 133892" data-attributes="member: 353">“‘Blind atoms’ is only ‘meaningless’ if you’ve never seriously grappled with the hard problem of consciousness — which is precisely what your answer avoids.The term refers to the view that, under materialism, everything ultimately reduces to unconscious particles colliding without intention. That’s not poetry — that’s your stance that an ungoverned universe with no designer must accept. So the question stands: How does a collection of mindless particles, governed solely by deterministic or stochastic physical laws, generate a self-aware subject who can reflect on its own existence?Philosophers like Thomas Nagel (an atheist, mind you) have called this “the most conspicuous obstacle to a comprehensive naturalism.” Nobel laureate Roger Penrose has argued that consciousness cannot be reduced to classical computation or physics as we know it — something deeper is going on.Your response — “We are an intelligent animal” — is just a category label, not an explanation. It’s like replying to ‘What is music?’ with ‘Sound.’ You’ve skipped the mystery entirely. Saying we are intelligent animals explains nothing, it’s simply a label. It tells us what we are not why or how such intelligence arises from matter with no intention, no foresight, and no goal.If you believe consciousness naturally emerges from blind matter, then demonstrate how. Until then, that belief functions more as a myth than a scientific explanation — and a rather magical one at that.</blockquote>

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