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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tiger" data-source="post: 133945" data-attributes="member: 353">A) "It does. Not sure what you're driving at with this one."That DNA contains hierarchically structured, digitally encoded information is the point. Information is not a property of matter or chemistry alone — it points to semantics, not just syntax. You wouldn't look at a software codebase and say, “It just does that.” You’d ask: where did the code come from? What kind of mind encoded it? DNA functions as a language — complete with syntax, semantics, and rules — and unlike raw chemistry, it encodes functional instructions. That's a hallmark of engineering, not an accident of molecules. Hand-waving it away as “it just does” is sign of being inbred.B) "We don’t really know."Thank you for the honesty — but this admission is crucial. Origin-of-life research has failed to produce a remotely plausible unguided pathway from non-living chemicals to self-replicating, information-rich systems. Abiogenesis remains speculative at best. It is precisely because we don’t know — and because blind chemistry has never been observed to produce algorithmically functional information — that this question remains such a profound challenge to materialist frameworks. If science were consistent, this should raise at least epistemic humility, not silence.C) "It both does and doesn’t. This argument is basically sacred geometry. Also physics."This reply borders on incoherence. To say it “does and doesn’t” is like saying gravity both exists and doesn’t, depending on the day. The point is not “sacred geometry” — it’s that reality is astonishingly intelligible. Why should that be the case? Why should abstract human mathematics correspond so precisely to the structure and behavior of the physical world? As Einstein asked, “The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it is comprehensible.” Physics uses mathematics — it does not explain why the universe is mathematical to its bones.D) "Nobody really knows. Why the universe is ordered at any level at all is a mystery."Again, a confession of ignorance — and a significant one. Fine-tuning isn’t an illusion; it’s an observable feature of the cosmos. Physical constants must fall within razor-thin margins for life — or even stable atoms — to exist. The multiverse is the go-to speculative escape hatch, but by your own standard, you’re not invoking it — so what are you left with? If this fine-tuning is real and unexplainable through chance, then inference to design becomes more reasonable, not lessConclusion…So what do we have? A universe embedded with information, ordered by math, tuned for life, and containing biological systems that no lab has ever replicated from non-life — and your response is a mix of “don’t know,” “not sure,” and “it just does.” That’s not skepticism; it’s resignation. These aren’t God-of-the-gaps arguments. They are engineering-based, information-theoretic, and philosophical inquiries about the structure and intelligibility of reality — which science relies on but cannot explain.Surely a worldview with so much intellectual self-confidence should be able to do better than “we don’t really know.”</blockquote>

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