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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tiger" data-source="post: 134034" data-attributes="member: 353">Actually many physicists and popular science writers have proposed that the universe could come from "nothing" — see Lawrence Krauss’ A Universe from Nothing or Stephen Hawking’s claim that “because there is a law like gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.”This position is not just extraordinary — it's self-contradictory. You cannot have laws or fields (like gravity or quantum fields) in a state of "nothing." Nothing, by definition, has no properties, no potential, no causal capacity. If something exists, it's not nothing. The evasive move is redefining “nothing” as a quantum vacuum or as mathematical potential — which are, in fact, something.Here you are quietly confessing the central weakness of the entire materialist explanation. The moment of supposed “origin” remains beyond the reach of empirical science. This is not a small oversight; it's a gaping epistemological chasm at the very point where science most needs to be solid.Science proceeds from what exists. It presupposes laws, regularity, time, matter, and minds. When it reaches a boundary where these things break down, science doesn’t become superior — it becomes silent.This is an abstract mathematical construct, not a physical explanation. Singularities are not “things” but the breakdown of the known laws of physics. They do not explain the beginning; they signal the inability to explain it.Moreover, extrapolation backwards doesn’t explain what is doing the expanding, why it expands, or how finely-tuned conditions arise from an event with no physical precursors.Exactly. And when physics breaks down, you are no longer doing physics. You are standing on metaphysical ground — and refusing to admit it.Claiming that “we don’t know yet” what happened is a profession of faith in scientism: the unproven and unprovable belief that science will eventually explain everything, including its own foundational assumptions.This is not an argument. It’s a promissory note written on the bank of the unknown, perpetually cashed by people unwilling to admit the limitations of their worldview.To say that science may one day answer the big questions is to admit that right now, it doesn’t. And if it doesn’t — and cannot — then one should stop pretending it replaces the metaphysical questions posed by theists.</blockquote>

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