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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tiger" data-source="post: 137211" data-attributes="member: 353">A hopeless response. As usual, your reply was, frankly, an informationally deficient throwaway.Tossing around terms like “creationist carnie” and laughing emojis might earn you points in a Reddit echo chamber, but they don’t qualify as a serious argument. Someone with a degree would not debate like this. They would start with a quote from the person that they are claiming are lying and then form a proper detailed argument to prove their point. You are incapable of this.If you're going to accuse someone like John Lennox of “lying,” the burden is on you to show not only that his claim is false, but that he knows it’s false and is willfully distorting it. Let’s clarify what Lennox is actually saying — because you clearly haven’t. Lennox never misrepresents the Big Bang theory as definitively proving that the universe came “from absolutely nothing” in a scientific sense. What he does do is highlight a perfectly reasonable — and indeed, widely held — interpretation of its implications: that if the universe (including time, space, matter, and energy) had an absolute beginning, then either it came from nothing (in the true metaphysical sense), or it came from something beyond physical reality. That’s not religious trickery. That’s standard philosophical reasoning based on scientific data. In God and Stephen Hawking, Lennox writes:This is not a distortion; it’s an inference. A fair one. If you think it's wrong, engage the logic — don’t just throw around immature insults.Now, let’s turn the question back to you: When you claim the Big Bang didn’t involve a “something from nothing” implication, what exactly are you proposing as the “something” that preceded the Big Bang?The conventional responses vary from one evidence-less fantasy to another — quantum fluctuations, a multiverse, eternal inflation, or Roger Penrose’s conformal cyclic cosmology. But not one of these models is confirmed. They are all speculative, theoretical constructs without a shred of empirical verification. Worse still, they often push the explanatory problem one step back without solving it.If a quantum vacuum existed "before" the universe, what caused that? If a prior universe existed, how did it come into being? At some point, you either land on infinite regress (which most philosophers and physicists find problematic) or you have to propose a necessary, uncaused reality — which sounds suspiciously close to what Lennox is talking about.</blockquote>

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