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<blockquote data-quote="Tiger" data-source="post: 142988" data-attributes="member: 353"><p>Oh look I’m doing all the talking again, what a surprise…</p><p></p><p>Well, for example if NDE's were simply nothing but hallucinations, we’d expect them to look completely different from culture to culture; a Hindu seeing Hindu gods, a Christian seeing Christ, an atheist seeing nothing at all. But instead, we see the same core pattern across the world: leaving the body, reviewing one’s life, and meeting a being of light. That universality is exactly what you would <em>not</em> expect from random brain activity, but precisely what you’d expect if consciousness really does survive death. Hallucinations or dreams would vary wildly by culture, but NDEs show the same core pattern worldwide; which makes no sense if they’re brain noise, but perfect sense if they’re real.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As stated yesterday, you hardly ever SAY anything. You skirt around subjects and ask endless questions - however, , if (as a self professed devout atheist) you deny the soul, then the default implication is that consciousness is fully reducible to brain states. If you hold another view, I’d be interested to hear what non-materialist explanation you’re offering.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They’re verified in controlled clinical contexts ; for example, in Pim van Lommel’s <em>Lancet</em> study and Sam Parnia’s AWARE project. Patients described highly specific details (surgical instruments, conversations, procedures) during periods of no measurable brain activity (because they're dead), and these were independently corroborated by medical staff. That is what makes them <em>veridical perceptions</em> rather than subjective hallucinations.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tiger, post: 142988, member: 353"] Oh look I’m doing all the talking again, what a surprise… Well, for example if NDE's were simply nothing but hallucinations, we’d expect them to look completely different from culture to culture; a Hindu seeing Hindu gods, a Christian seeing Christ, an atheist seeing nothing at all. But instead, we see the same core pattern across the world: leaving the body, reviewing one’s life, and meeting a being of light. That universality is exactly what you would [I]not[/I] expect from random brain activity, but precisely what you’d expect if consciousness really does survive death. Hallucinations or dreams would vary wildly by culture, but NDEs show the same core pattern worldwide; which makes no sense if they’re brain noise, but perfect sense if they’re real. As stated yesterday, you hardly ever SAY anything. You skirt around subjects and ask endless questions - however, , if (as a self professed devout atheist) you deny the soul, then the default implication is that consciousness is fully reducible to brain states. If you hold another view, I’d be interested to hear what non-materialist explanation you’re offering. They’re verified in controlled clinical contexts ; for example, in Pim van Lommel’s [I]Lancet[/I] study and Sam Parnia’s AWARE project. Patients described highly specific details (surgical instruments, conversations, procedures) during periods of no measurable brain activity (because they're dead), and these were independently corroborated by medical staff. That is what makes them [I]veridical perceptions[/I] rather than subjective hallucinations. [/QUOTE]
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