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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tiger" data-source="post: 143780" data-attributes="member: 353">Haha, eh no Tank; what’s bonkers is your inability to grasp what’s even being  bloody discussed. James (your AI guru) already made the rookie mistake of trying to hand-wave away the conundrum of remarkable NDEs by pointing to studies of residual brain activity during cardiac arrest (or at least his AI did). But that’s not what is on the table here. What we are discussing is the mountain of evidence showing structured, veridical conscious experiences during periods when brain activity is not merely diminished, but completely bloody absent. So you can file your article and your response in the bin of shame for confusing two entirely different questions. We're talking about the experiences of people who have died for more than an hour in many cases. So, citing studies of gamma wave spikes or dreamlike patterns before or at the onset of death is irrelevant to the challenge posed by NDEs. These patients were clinically dead; flatlined EEG, absent cortical function, no measurable activity to support awareness. Yet they reported highly structured perceptions that were verifiable: describing surgical instruments, recounting conversations, even perceiving events outside their sensory range. That is data.And here’s the real issue: if your materialist thesis were correct, the absence of brain function should mean the absence of consciousness. Full stop. But that’s not what the evidence shows. Instead, it shows conscious experience precisely when it should be impossible under materialism. That’s why van Lommel’s Lancet study, Parnia’s AWARE trials, and surveys across dozens of countries all converge on the same conclusion: the brain is not the whole story.The phenomenon of dying-brain spikes has zero explanatory power for cases where consciousness occurs long after measurable activity has ceased. If you don’t understand that distinction, then the only thing on display here is your own confusion.</blockquote>

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