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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tiger" data-source="post: 143979" data-attributes="member: 353">Win? Haha. <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😝" title="Squinting face with tongue    :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/6.5/png/unicode/64/1f61d.png" data-shortname=":stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:" />Similar to when you jumped in underpants first into the AWARE II study yesterday and declared ‘case closed', or the study about brain fluctuations in the seconds around cardiac arrest like they were slam dunks and then (unfortunately for you) turned out to be hopelessly way off, this Woerlee 'study' is just as off course.Woerlee's rejoinder is a masterclass in evasion, not evidence (seems to be a reoccurring habit of atheists). He's a spoofer who ignores the actual findings of the study. Atheists like yourself are just looking to someone like him to tickle their ears regardless of the feeble standard of his report. During Pam Reynolds' surgery, auditory brainstem responses (ABRs) were tested and found to be silent. This is the most sensitive measure of auditory function, and if bone conduction or ambient sound leakage were significant, there would have been at least some measurable ABR. Yet the surgical team’s monitoring showed none.Her surgery involved deep hypothermic circulatory arrest, which dramatically slows metabolism and suppresses neural firing. At those low temperatures, with the brain cooled and blood drained, neuronal function; including that required for perception and memory formation; is profoundly impaired or halted. Woerlee’s explanations do not account in any way shape or form for how any sound input or brain activity could survive these physiological conditions. He offers no proper evidence to support his case.Pam Reynolds did not just report vague sensations; she described specific tools, such as the Midas Rex saw, procedural details, and snippets of conversation, all later confirmed by the surgical team. The accuracy of such unusual details is extremely difficult to explain through vague hypotheses like “hearing through bone” (WTF is that) or guessing. Furthermore, the timing of her perceptions is crucial: many occurred while her EEG was flat, her brainstem reflexes were absent, and there was no blood in her brain. This is far outside the narrow window of residual activity that materialists often rely on, making Woerlee’s attempt to lump all perceptions into a transitional phase of anesthesia or light activity inconsistent with the actual medical record.Finally, Woerlee’s argument is purely speculative. He offers no counter-evidence to invalidate her claims, only possibilities that are not supported by physiological data. To refute her experiences, one would need to demonstrate errors in the verified reports or provide a plausible, well-documented alternative, not theoretical conjecture. The Reynolds case, with its detailed, verified, and impossible-to-explain observations, remains a significant challenge to materialist explanations of consciousness and highlights phenomena that science has yet to fully account for.Instead of lazily putting crappy low grade links up, why don’t you try to debate the case study in your own words? Is it because you have no familiarity with the case? Of course it is.Here’s a link to her case featured in a BBC documentary:[MEDIA=youtube]osfIY4B3y1U[/MEDIA]<a href="https://youtu.be/osfIY4B3y1U?feature=shared" target="_blank">View: https://youtu.be/osfIY4B3y1U?feature=shared</a></blockquote>

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