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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tiger" data-source="post: 144024" data-attributes="member: 353">What you call a “Catholic game” is in fact the only intellectual position in this debate that has not collapsed into incoherence. The “game” is on your side: the endless shuffle of evasions, revisions, and ad hoc rationalisations that materialism coughs up whenever it runs headlong into the brute fact of consciousness. You can't even give a basic definition of what 'consciousness' is. You aren't even at the starting line. You say “write your answer here.” But that’s the trap you’re in; you imagine your bankrupt creed has earned the right to demand answers when it cannot furnish one itself. You swagger as though “materialism” has a foundation, when in reality it is a sandcastle of jargon erected against the tide of reality.The answer is plain, and it has been plain for centuries: consciousness is not a secretion of meat. NDEs, veridical perception, the irreducibility of the mind; all of it testifies to an order beyond matter. You hate that answer because it leaves your ideology in ruins, exposed as a fraud propped up by “science” pressed into service as a catechism of unbelief.This is not about “Catholic games.” It is about your terror that reality itself contradicts the catechism of materialism. And so you sneer and call names, because that’s all you have left.</blockquote>

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