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<blockquote data-quote="A Man Called Charolais" data-source="post: 88194"><p>Holland is a bit obscure (although I don't think he realises it) when he talks about the bifurcation of the religious and the secular. </p><p></p><p>Now, I await correction, but I think that the secular could also be described as the <em>materium</em> where mechanical forces predominate. This is why we describe scientism as a reductionist approach - it reduces the human to a biological mechanism. </p><p></p><p>Christianity also revealed the individual as universally applicable, which has had a profound impact on how we understand what it is we are - it ensouled all the peoples of the earth with the equal potential for dignity in the plane above the mundane. Here we find the difference between above and below the salt not in asset classes but in the adherence to the call to personal holiness. Thus, the possible observation that one of the highest social rank is a scumbag if they are ethically corrupt, and that someone with frugal means is noble in bearing if they abide by these same ethics.</p><p></p><p>So, the ceremonies around the communion with God are distinct to the things of Caesar. Nevertheless, to be Christian, one's conduct should be pursued according to Christian ethics - the proper expression of one's faith in matters profane. The point that Holland is making is that, in the late Modern era, it is these ethics that are trying to be sustained without Christianity through Communism or Progressivism etc. </p><p></p><p>Humanism, then, is merely an articulation of Christian values in the material sphere, Secular Humanism posits human intelligence as the highest form of being in the universe placing us (and particularly the most clever or powerful of us) at its centre. The Ego becomes Superego displacing an absent God in a disenchanted world as the connection to the Divine atrophies</p><p></p><p>He also talks about the falling away of the infrastructure of Christianity back into the savagery of paganism. Can Christian ethics be sustained without the root stock? Here's a piece about that. It runs for a number of minutes and gains momentum along the way. </p><p></p><p></p><p style="text-align: center">[MEDIA=youtube]cDa4vpkNKeQ:4737[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p></p><p>It should be noted that the barbarians - particularly the Germanic tribes - admired Roman Law and sought to preserve it after the empire fell so it can't be said that the Romans were singularly brutal (although it had been Christianised by then in fairness). Instead they were merely an example of <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOm_2dGzqp0" target="_blank">the way things were across every society at the time</a>, although at a higher level of sophistication.</p><p></p><p>Now, returning to the present danger - here are some thoughts from the mighty Harari.</p><p></p><p></p><p style="text-align: center">[MEDIA=twitter]1771773593162031240[/MEDIA]</p> <p style="text-align: center"><em><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="https://twitter.com/newstart_2024/status/1771773593162031240" target="_blank">View: https://twitter.com/newstart_2024/status/1771773593162031240</a></span></em></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p><p></p><p></p><p>Do you see the fate that so many are alarmed about? There are some that are trying to change the civilisational coding to enable a free hand to pursue their own manias at the price of the reduction of the rest of us. And the carrot for the donkey of acquiescence is <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N_RO-jL-90" target="_blank">the illusion of existential supremacy</a>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="A Man Called Charolais, post: 88194"] Holland is a bit obscure (although I don't think he realises it) when he talks about the bifurcation of the religious and the secular. Now, I await correction, but I think that the secular could also be described as the [I]materium[/I] where mechanical forces predominate. This is why we describe scientism as a reductionist approach - it reduces the human to a biological mechanism. Christianity also revealed the individual as universally applicable, which has had a profound impact on how we understand what it is we are - it ensouled all the peoples of the earth with the equal potential for dignity in the plane above the mundane. Here we find the difference between above and below the salt not in asset classes but in the adherence to the call to personal holiness. Thus, the possible observation that one of the highest social rank is a scumbag if they are ethically corrupt, and that someone with frugal means is noble in bearing if they abide by these same ethics. So, the ceremonies around the communion with God are distinct to the things of Caesar. Nevertheless, to be Christian, one's conduct should be pursued according to Christian ethics - the proper expression of one's faith in matters profane. The point that Holland is making is that, in the late Modern era, it is these ethics that are trying to be sustained without Christianity through Communism or Progressivism etc. Humanism, then, is merely an articulation of Christian values in the material sphere, Secular Humanism posits human intelligence as the highest form of being in the universe placing us (and particularly the most clever or powerful of us) at its centre. The Ego becomes Superego displacing an absent God in a disenchanted world as the connection to the Divine atrophies He also talks about the falling away of the infrastructure of Christianity back into the savagery of paganism. Can Christian ethics be sustained without the root stock? Here's a piece about that. It runs for a number of minutes and gains momentum along the way. [CENTER][MEDIA=youtube]cDa4vpkNKeQ:4737[/MEDIA][/CENTER] It should be noted that the barbarians - particularly the Germanic tribes - admired Roman Law and sought to preserve it after the empire fell so it can't be said that the Romans were singularly brutal (although it had been Christianised by then in fairness). Instead they were merely an example of [URL='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOm_2dGzqp0']the way things were across every society at the time[/URL], although at a higher level of sophistication. Now, returning to the present danger - here are some thoughts from the mighty Harari. [CENTER][MEDIA=twitter]1771773593162031240[/MEDIA] [i][size=2][url=https://twitter.com/newstart_2024/status/1771773593162031240]View: https://twitter.com/newstart_2024/status/1771773593162031240[/url][/size][/i] [/CENTER] Do you see the fate that so many are alarmed about? There are some that are trying to change the civilisational coding to enable a free hand to pursue their own manias at the price of the reduction of the rest of us. And the carrot for the donkey of acquiescence is [URL='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N_RO-jL-90']the illusion of existential supremacy[/URL]. [/QUOTE]
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