Artifical Intelligence and it's impacts.

[Mad as Fish]

The picture is mixed. The problem is the AI tools being forced down our throats by being integrated into Windows, Whatsapp, etc. I prefer to just access it via a browser, where I have found it pretty good at things like trip planning, and marking exam questions (kids use this a lot).

Work: From a management point of view I can see benefits. We use Copilot in work and since GPT-5 its become a lot more useful for generating reports, summaries, making sense of long email threads, etc. For technical work, we see no benefit, you can take as long to review the generated code as to write it. If you use a vendor-specific language, as we do, there is no AI tool support as the IP is locked down.
I find very useful for research, but only trust it in my own domain, and the output needs to be carefully reviewed. But its better to edit copy than start from a blank page.

Home: Win11 and Outlook 365, on a laptop, are now so cluttered in terms of UX that I dearly wish I could move back to Win10. Then Copilot takes up more screen real estate....I am seriously thinking of getting a Mac.

AI doesnt need to be forced into every system and tool we use.

Total bollux from you as always, parroting some crap picked up from a tame establishment site.

You spend far too much time on here to have a proper job!

 

[Haven]

Total bollux from you as always, parroting some crap picked up from a tame establishment site.

You spend far too much time on here to have a proper job!

All I wrote is 100% true. Which only underlines how limited your intellect and experience actually is.
And thats really hit me for the first time: you're kinda clueless.

 

[Wolf]

Total bollux from you as always, parroting some crap picked up from a tame establishment site.

You spend far too much time on here to have a proper job!

Yea, I don't know too many 'teachers' who sit up 24/7 monitoring and posting shite on small websites like this.
Indeed, the very thought that people like that can have access to children is extremely frightening.
I call bullshit.

 

[jpc]

Everyone less of the petty backbiting or just go somewhere else.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Everyone less of the petty backbiting or just go somewhere else.

With regards to the post made by Haven concerning AI it strikes me as exactly the middle of the road sort of guff turned out by AI itself. It's just too neat, and is also quite characterless, for Haven itself to have produced given his past offerings on here.

It is difficult to express sufficient contempt for the fellow at times.

 

[jpc]

With regards to the post made by Haven concerning AI it strikes me as exactly the middle of the road sort of guff turned out by AI itself. It's just too neat, and is also quite characterless, for Haven itself to have produced given his past offerings on here.

It is difficult to express sufficient contempt for the fellow at times.

It's a genuine effort to contribute I'd like to think.

 

[Haven]

It's a genuine effort to contribute I'd like to think.

Indeed it is.

I dont see a compelling killer use case for AI yet. Its great at creating content, or analysing text. Despite Copilot integration into Windows, its still surprising poor with Excel and PowerPoint. The first demo I saw for Copilot was actually on PowerPoint, where the user was able to quickly clean up a pres where it would take a huge about of time to align everything manually. It seemed to show how huge amounts of time could be saved, but this ability didnt seem to actually ship.

In my line of business, its clear policy and clinical guidance is not keeping pace.

Overreliance on AI risks eroding new and future doctors’ critical thinking while reinforcing existing bias - BMJ Group

Tools already widely used amid few institutional policies and regulatory guidance Medical education must adjust curricula + training to mitigate risks, warn experts Overreliance on generative AI risks eroding new and future doctors’ critical thinking skills, while potentially reinforcing...

bmjgroup.com

For example a lot of vendors are selling "Ambient Listening" solutions, and theres real potential to generate orders and clinical notes on the fly during a consultation rather than a doctor manually document in the EMR. But are patients going to consent to this, or even appreciate the privacy concerns?

 

[Wolf]

It's a genuine effort to contribute I'd like to think.

Santa Claus will be coming down your chimney next week too, J.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Indeed it is.

I dont see a compelling killer use case for AI yet. Its great at creating content, or analysing text. Despite Copilot integration into Windows, its still surprising poor with Excel and PowerPoint. The first demo I saw for Copilot was actually on PowerPoint, where the user was able to quickly clean up a pres where it would take a huge about of time to align everything manually. It seemed to show how huge amounts of time could be saved, but this ability didnt seem to actually ship.

In my line of business, its clear policy and clinical guidance is not keeping pace.

Overreliance on AI risks eroding new and future doctors’ critical thinking while reinforcing existing bias - BMJ Group

Tools already widely used amid few institutional policies and regulatory guidance Medical education must adjust curricula + training to mitigate risks, warn experts Overreliance on generative AI risks eroding new and future doctors’ critical thinking skills, while potentially reinforcing...

bmjgroup.com

For example a lot of vendors are selling "Ambient Listening" solutions, and theres real potential to generate orders and clinical notes on the fly during a consultation rather than a doctor manually document in the EMR. But are patients going to consent to this, or even appreciate the privacy concerns?

Tedious repetition of what has been noted before all over the net = AI

 

[Mad as Fish]

AI struggles when it comes to coding it has emerged. This article from The Register is a little bit techie but basically its saying that AI generated code has a good deal more errors than human written code and so absorbs the time of human coders in putting it right.

Will things get any better? Depends upon who you listen to, there are critics of the Large Language Models (LLM) used who say they have reached their limits and we can only expect marginal improvements from now on.

AI-authored code needs more attention, contains worse bugs

: CodeRabbit review of pull requests shows meatbags beat clankers

www.theregister.com

 

[Haven]

AI struggles when it comes to coding it has emerged. This article from The Register is a little bit techie but basically its saying that AI generated code has a good deal more errors than human written code and so absorbs the time of human coders in putting it right.

Will things get any better? Depends upon who you listen to, there are critics of the Large Language Models (LLM) used who say they have reached their limits and we can only expect marginal improvements from now on.

AI-authored code needs more attention, contains worse bugs

: CodeRabbit review of pull requests shows meatbags beat clankers

www.theregister.com

Yes, we know that already.

 

[BIG FAT HOOR]

Exactly so, I find it absoloutly full of crap and decent stuff ever more difficult to identify. So often the visuals are totally disconnected from the voiceover when it comes to documentories and the same clips are endlessy repeated in different videos almost irrespective of the subject.

On a slightly more serious note I have come across some AI generated statements in the legal area that are factually incorrect and could very easily mislead people into taking the wrong action. Some solicitors are worried about being put out of a job, I'm thinking they'll be kept busy sorting out the AI induced mess that people have got themselves into.

currently some business are sending their accounts to India where a set of books are put together for a fraction of the cost .
i can see an AI program which can do this for you in a more professional manner as it will be aware of Irish taxation law and current legislation.
AI has a big future for admin of routine tasks and you could get it to do the mundane everyday tasks and leave 20% for specialized staff to do and no trade union will work 24/7 --does not have any personal issues or weddings/funerals / maternity leave .
ai is here to stay and most small businesses if offered extra members of staff which do not need to be paid will take the chance with open arms.
it should be child's play to order a big Irish breakfast and coffee and toast and have it delivered by robot .
its just time and temp --stick it on a plate and serve.
with GPS and the field mapped there is no reason AI could not plough and till and sow the field and work 24/7.
with one man to refuel and monitor each tractor on a screen --it should be possible to keep an eye on a half dozen at the same time .
there are huge changes coming and loads of work for solicitors who have to prove who was driving the tractor which mowed down your granny and did not stop.

 

[Mad as Fish]

currently some business are sending their accounts to India where a set of books are put together for a fraction of the cost .
i can see an AI program which can do this for you in a more professional manner as it will be aware of Irish taxation law and current legislation.
AI has a big future for admin of routine tasks and you could get it to do the mundane everyday tasks and leave 20% for specialized staff to do and no trade union will work 24/7 --does not have any personal issues or weddings/funerals / maternity leave .
ai is here to stay and most small businesses if offered extra members of staff which do not need to be paid will take the chance with open arms.
it should be child's play to order a big Irish breakfast and coffee and toast and have it delivered by robot .
its just time and temp --stick it on a plate and serve.
with GPS and the field mapped there is no reason AI could not plough and till and sow the field and work 24/7.
with one man to refuel and monitor each tractor on a screen --it should be possible to keep an eye on a half dozen at the same time .
there are huge changes coming and loads of work for solicitors who have to prove who was driving the tractor which mowed down your granny and did not stop.

with GPS and the field mapped there is no reason AI could not plough and till and sow the field and work 24/7.
with one man to refuel and monitor each tractor on a screen --it should be possible to keep an eye on a half dozen at the same time .

Doesn't quite work out like that though.

Two years ago John Deere announced that they had the worlds first autonomous tractor ready for market. Try buy one off them now though and you'll be met will all sorts of excuses as to why they can't sell you one.

There are robots out working in the fields though, yet they tend not to be automated tractors but machines that perform specific functions such as weeding or drilling.

A company called Agxeed does have several tractor type machines working but they are limited to where they can be used and when tried out here in Ireland this season they simply weren't worth the effort, and certainly not the expense. The majority of farms here are simply too small for them to work efficiently.

It must also be born in mind that the majority of farmers stay farming because they like to farm, that is they want to be out in the field doing stuff rather than sat in the office playing a sophisticated computer game. A lot of this techie stuff found in farming is a software engineers idea of how farming ought to be done, which doesn't always coincide with how farmers think things should be done.

 

[clarke-connolly]

with GPS and the field mapped there is no reason AI could not plough and till and sow the field and work 24/7.
with one man to refuel and monitor each tractor on a screen --it should be possible to keep an eye on a half dozen at the same time .

Doesn't quite work out like that though.

Two years ago John Deere announced that they had the worlds first autonomous tractor ready for market. Try buy one off them now though and you'll be met will all sorts of excuses as to why they can't sell you one.

There are robots out working in the fields though, yet they tend not to be automated tractors but machines that perform specific functions such as weeding or drilling.

A company called Agxeed does have several tractor type machines working but they are limited to where they can be used and when tried out here in Ireland this season they simply weren't worth the effort, and certainly not the expense. The majority of farms here are simply too small for them to work efficiently.

It must also be born in mind that the majority of farmers stay farming because they like to farm, that is they want to be out in the field doing stuff rather than sat in the office playing a sophisticated computer game. A lot of this techie stuff found in farming is a software engineers idea of how farming ought to be done, which doesn't always coincide with how farmers think things should be done.

Probably explains why the, Elites / Globalists, want to get rid of Famers of small and even medium sized farms ! !

 

[Mad as Fish]

Probably explains why the, Elites / Globalists, want to get rid of Famers of small and even medium sized farms ! !

They want all farmers done away with so they can sell us factory grown insects to eat.

Interesting though, that there is much development of autonomous systems in India, which has perhaps one of the smallest average farm sizes in the world. If workable automation does come to Ireland I'd hazard a guess that it will come from Asia rather than the west.

 

[BIG FAT HOOR]

with GPS and the field mapped there is no reason AI could not plough and till and sow the field and work 24/7.
with one man to refuel and monitor each tractor on a screen --it should be possible to keep an eye on a half dozen at the same time .

Doesn't quite work out like that though.

Two years ago John Deere announced that they had the worlds first autonomous tractor ready for market. Try buy one off them now though and you'll be met will all sorts of excuses as to why they can't sell you one.

There are robots out working in the fields though, yet they tend not to be automated tractors but machines that perform specific functions such as weeding or drilling.

A company called Agxeed does have several tractor type machines working but they are limited to where they can be used and when tried out here in Ireland this season they simply weren't worth the effort, and certainly not the expense. The majority of farms here are simply too small for them to work efficiently.

It must also be born in mind that the majority of farmers stay farming because they like to farm, that is they want to be out in the field doing stuff rather than sat in the office playing a sophisticated computer game. A lot of this techie stuff found in farming is a software engineers idea of how farming ought to be done, which doesn't always coincide with how farmers think things should be done.

i cut the grass myself but my farming in laws all have robots on their lawns and scaling it up would seem to the untrained eye not insurmountable.

 

[Mad as Fish]

i cut the grass myself but my farming in laws all have robots on their lawns and scaling it up would seem to the untrained eye not insurmountable.

There are all sorts of difficulties as the manufacturers themselves are coming to realise. What has been noticeable is that over the last year or so they have all backed off the ambitious claims they were making at the big Bi-annual trade fair - Agritechnica in 2023. At this year's event the word autonomy was being bandied about alright, but as a concept that might happen sometime in the future rather than tomorrow.

There are plenty of other smaller companies and start ups piling into the area and claiming that their machines run completely autonomously, but they tend to be confined to strictly controlled environments.

The technology is there to do it, but it is implementing it at ground level which is proving problematic,

 

[BIG FAT HOOR]

There are all sorts of difficulties as the manufacturers themselves are coming to realise. What has been noticeable is that over the last year or so they have all backed off the ambitious claims they were making at the big Bi-annual trade fair - Agritechnica in 2023. At this year's event the word autonomy was being bandied about alright, but as a concept that might happen sometime in the future rather than tomorrow.

There are plenty of other smaller companies and start ups piling into the area and claiming that their machines run completely autonomously, but they tend to be confined to strictly controlled environments.

The technology is there to do it, but it is implementing it at ground level which is proving problematic,

i remember a case about 20 years ago where a car pulled out slowly in front of a fast car .
the passenger who could drive and drove a truck said go go --the gobshite decided to put manners on him and slowley made his way out and had he to drive normally there would have been no problem .
in the court afterwards the driver was still a gobshite ---- tried to blame the trucker for the accident --- i will never forget the judges reply - ""-WHICH ONE OF YOU WAS DRIVING "" .
this has yet to be trashed out in court -is the software engineer or the MD of the co who made the autonomous vehicle the driver or the owner of the machine.
if you were the drone operator and you killed the fishermen in the fishing boat and then finished off the survivors off Venezuela who will they jail for murder .