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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tiger" data-source="post: 122985" data-attributes="member: 353">Ah, a drunkard weighing in on historical nuance—always a reliable source. Let’s start with the facts: it’s true that some of Ireland’s patriots were Protestant, but let’s not pretend that they didn’t share a common goal with their Catholic counterparts—Irish freedom. The issue is not whether they were Protestant or Catholic, but whether they stood for a vision of Ireland that was rooted in its people, culture, and yes, its faith.The difference between O’Connell and those who followed him, like Collins, is clear. O’Connell's approach was a peaceful, morally grounded path that sought justice, not through violence but through a transformation of society. He fought for the rights of the Catholic majority, who were being systematically oppressed. Collins may have been critical of O’Connell’s methods, but that doesn’t erase O’Connell’s monumental achievements, including laying the groundwork for the eventual independence of Ireland. Calling him a "waster" is either a sign of ignorance or an attempt to rewrite history to fit a more convenient narrative.And yes, O’Connell’s vision created a “Catholic Provence”—that was a necessary response to the centuries of British oppression that specifically targeted Irish Catholics. His “Catholic Provence” wasn’t some exclusionary scheme, but an effort to restore dignity and rights to a people who had been brutalized for generations.As for those who didn’t believe in God, we can’t know for certain, but one thing is clear: whether Catholic, Protestant, or atheist, the struggle for Irish freedom transcended sectarian lines. What matters is that faith—Catholic or otherwise—has always played a central role in shaping the moral foundation of the nation. That’s what makes Irish nationalism distinct and powerful.So, next time you take a swing at a historical figure, maybe put down the drink long enough to understand the context. O’Connell’s legacy stands, regardless of your personal view.</blockquote>

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