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<blockquote data-quote="Tiger" data-source="post: 123300" data-attributes="member: 353"><p>Skippy, </p><p></p><p>You’re a typical product of modern delusion, and it’s no surprise you can’t see the forest for the trees. Your dismissive attitude towards my position as “silly, angry old man” is merely the knee-jerk reaction of someone who’s too comfortable in their intellectual cowardice to challenge their own assumptions. To put it bluntly, I’m probably 10 to 20 years younger than you, and yet your arguments are as stale and vacuous as a sermon in some ecumenical, hollowed-out church. </p><p></p><p>You prattle on about Irish identity like it’s some trivial debate, but it’s clear you’re completely detached yourself from the spiritual and cultural roots that made Ireland, Ireland. You've never set foot in Ireland, you're not Irish, you haven't a clue what's happening on the ground. You seem to think “Irishness” is merely an accessory you can put on when it’s convenient, rather than a sacred bond forged in blood, faith, and history. You’re living in denial. You're not Irish. </p><p></p><p>Your blanket dismissal of Catholicism as a solution for moral and cultural decay is nothing more than the tired, arrogant screed of a man too blinded by his secularism to understand what’s truly at stake. You wave away Catholicism with a flippant statement like “it’s had its shot,” but what you’re really saying is that you’ve had enough of the only moral compass that could right this ship. Catholicism, flawed as it is in its human expression, provides the foundation for any real social order. Unless you're more than 60 or 70 years old, the you've never experienced Catholicism or ever been to a real mass. You pretend to know better, but in reality, you offer nothing but vapid, untested ideas that have no grounding in anything tangible. Your critique is empty because you refuse to acknowledge the role of divine order in human civilization. You mock the idea that faith could help restore what’s been lost, but if you think any secular nationalism will carry any weight in the long run, then you’re deluding yourself.</p><p></p><p>You ask me about the younger generation, as if I don’t understand the economic reality they face. You seem to believe I’m some privileged relic of the past who’s never had to “work to eat and keep the lights on.” Let me make it clear, I don’t “throw my hands up in despair” as you do. I started from poverty in a working-class area known for violence and anti-social behaviour. I see the economic carnage that has been wreaked upon Ireland and beyond, and I know it’s the consequence of a moral vacuum that your secularism has bred. Young people today are trapped in an existential nightmare, one where they’re told to live for pleasure, to indulge in consumerism, and to despair of ever owning a home or raising a family. And you want to criticize them for their apathy when the system has stacked the deck against them? You’d rather blame them than face the fact that the very conditions that lead to this nihilism have been fostered by the progressive, secular worldview you champion.</p><p></p><p>You say that Catholic Nationalism “isn’t the solution” but that’s because, deep down, you know that any true solution requires a return to spiritual and cultural integrity. What you advocate, this so-called “confederacy,” is merely a desperate attempt to form a nationalism stripped of any moral backbone. It’s a hollow shell with no roots, destined to fall apart the minute real challenges present themselves. Your “confederacy” can’t stand because it’s built on nothing but the vague notions of people like you, who think they can substitute ideology for faith. The only thing that will hold Ireland together is a return to the principles that once gave it its strength—and those principles are grounded in Catholicism, whether you like it or not.</p><p></p><p>But you, of course, want to dismiss all of that. You’ll have no part in a real, grounded nationalism. You’d rather be a part of the flaccid, toothless movement that makes a mockery of Irish heritage while accomplishing nothing of substance. You’ve done nothing practical to advance Irish nationalism—nothing to heal the wounds your own worldview has inflicted. Instead of attacking those who are fighting for Ireland’s future, why not ask yourself: what have you done? As I said before, it’s easy to sit in the comfort of your ignorance and mock others. But real nationalists, like the Catholics you so disdain, are working to restore what has been lost. You, meanwhile, offer nothing but the faintest of echoes of a dead idea. If you want to understand what a real nationalist looks like, try looking beyond your own narrow, self-centered lens for once.</p><p></p><p>In the end, the truth remains: people like you are toxic for any meaningful nationalist cause. You’ll never build anything lasting because your ideas are grounded in nothing but personal ego and a desire to destroy what you cannot understand. If you think you’re advancing nationalism, you’re only proving my point—that atheists and secularists make the worst nationalists. And history will continue to show that the people who have built and sustained true nations have always been those who understood the necessity of faith as the glue that binds us all together. You, sir, are not one of those people.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tiger, post: 123300, member: 353"] Skippy, You’re a typical product of modern delusion, and it’s no surprise you can’t see the forest for the trees. Your dismissive attitude towards my position as “silly, angry old man” is merely the knee-jerk reaction of someone who’s too comfortable in their intellectual cowardice to challenge their own assumptions. To put it bluntly, I’m probably 10 to 20 years younger than you, and yet your arguments are as stale and vacuous as a sermon in some ecumenical, hollowed-out church. You prattle on about Irish identity like it’s some trivial debate, but it’s clear you’re completely detached yourself from the spiritual and cultural roots that made Ireland, Ireland. You've never set foot in Ireland, you're not Irish, you haven't a clue what's happening on the ground. You seem to think “Irishness” is merely an accessory you can put on when it’s convenient, rather than a sacred bond forged in blood, faith, and history. You’re living in denial. You're not Irish. Your blanket dismissal of Catholicism as a solution for moral and cultural decay is nothing more than the tired, arrogant screed of a man too blinded by his secularism to understand what’s truly at stake. You wave away Catholicism with a flippant statement like “it’s had its shot,” but what you’re really saying is that you’ve had enough of the only moral compass that could right this ship. Catholicism, flawed as it is in its human expression, provides the foundation for any real social order. Unless you're more than 60 or 70 years old, the you've never experienced Catholicism or ever been to a real mass. You pretend to know better, but in reality, you offer nothing but vapid, untested ideas that have no grounding in anything tangible. Your critique is empty because you refuse to acknowledge the role of divine order in human civilization. You mock the idea that faith could help restore what’s been lost, but if you think any secular nationalism will carry any weight in the long run, then you’re deluding yourself. You ask me about the younger generation, as if I don’t understand the economic reality they face. You seem to believe I’m some privileged relic of the past who’s never had to “work to eat and keep the lights on.” Let me make it clear, I don’t “throw my hands up in despair” as you do. I started from poverty in a working-class area known for violence and anti-social behaviour. I see the economic carnage that has been wreaked upon Ireland and beyond, and I know it’s the consequence of a moral vacuum that your secularism has bred. Young people today are trapped in an existential nightmare, one where they’re told to live for pleasure, to indulge in consumerism, and to despair of ever owning a home or raising a family. And you want to criticize them for their apathy when the system has stacked the deck against them? You’d rather blame them than face the fact that the very conditions that lead to this nihilism have been fostered by the progressive, secular worldview you champion. You say that Catholic Nationalism “isn’t the solution” but that’s because, deep down, you know that any true solution requires a return to spiritual and cultural integrity. What you advocate, this so-called “confederacy,” is merely a desperate attempt to form a nationalism stripped of any moral backbone. It’s a hollow shell with no roots, destined to fall apart the minute real challenges present themselves. Your “confederacy” can’t stand because it’s built on nothing but the vague notions of people like you, who think they can substitute ideology for faith. The only thing that will hold Ireland together is a return to the principles that once gave it its strength—and those principles are grounded in Catholicism, whether you like it or not. But you, of course, want to dismiss all of that. You’ll have no part in a real, grounded nationalism. You’d rather be a part of the flaccid, toothless movement that makes a mockery of Irish heritage while accomplishing nothing of substance. You’ve done nothing practical to advance Irish nationalism—nothing to heal the wounds your own worldview has inflicted. Instead of attacking those who are fighting for Ireland’s future, why not ask yourself: what have you done? As I said before, it’s easy to sit in the comfort of your ignorance and mock others. But real nationalists, like the Catholics you so disdain, are working to restore what has been lost. You, meanwhile, offer nothing but the faintest of echoes of a dead idea. If you want to understand what a real nationalist looks like, try looking beyond your own narrow, self-centered lens for once. In the end, the truth remains: people like you are toxic for any meaningful nationalist cause. You’ll never build anything lasting because your ideas are grounded in nothing but personal ego and a desire to destroy what you cannot understand. If you think you’re advancing nationalism, you’re only proving my point—that atheists and secularists make the worst nationalists. And history will continue to show that the people who have built and sustained true nations have always been those who understood the necessity of faith as the glue that binds us all together. You, sir, are not one of those people. [/QUOTE]
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