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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AN2" data-source="post: 136750" data-attributes="member: 3556">A FLARE-UP has occurred between Joel Davis and Alec Cave on Telegram concerning a subject that posters might be interested in (Cave's rhetoric is reminiscent of [USER=198]@PlunkettsGhost[/USER])Joel Davis is someone who should be known from this thread, Alec Cave left Patriotic Alternative (Collett's organisation) and is now a spokesperson for the <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_Party_(United_Kingdom)" target="_blank">Homeland Party</a>, which has been dubbed the "Homoland Party" because of recent appointmentsI'll include the text of Joel's posts as he's obviously shadowbanned on Telegram<begins>[MEDIA=telegram]AlecCave/3590[/MEDIA]<a href="https://t.me/AlecCave/3590" target="_blank">View: https://t.me/AlecCave/3590</a>[MEDIA=telegram]joeldavis_x/1754[/MEDIA]<a href="https://t.me/joeldavis_x/1754" target="_blank">View: https://t.me/joeldavis_x/1754</a>This is the Homoland Party's last remaining public face who isn't overweight or homosexual, and he's decided to go with the line that the regime is conflating ethnonationalism with White Nationalism in order to make ethnonationalists seem like "racists" ....huh?So let me get this straight - the English people aren't racially defined, according to "ethnonationalism"? This is insane. The concept of an ethnicity is rooted in the concept of shared ancestry, and therefore in a particular racial stock. These people are so afraid of being called "racist" they're now abandoning biological reality and with it, nationalism as a coherent concept itself.Utterly pathetic.This is why you don't let cucks run nationalist organisations, this is why you need to be lead by uncompromising true believers.[MEDIA=telegram]AlecCave/3591[/MEDIA]<a href="https://t.me/AlecCave/3591" target="_blank">View: https://t.me/AlecCave/3591</a>[MEDIA=telegram]joeldavis_x/1755[/MEDIA]<a href="https://t.me/joeldavis_x/1755" target="_blank">View: https://t.me/joeldavis_x/1755</a>Now this guy is backtracking while accusing me of "incoherence" - dude you just said ethnonationalism is "distorted" by "injecting biological race into the mix", but now you've conceded that British people are of a particular race. Which is it?Also how is it "false" that ethnonationalism is "racist" exactly? Ethnonationalism is an ideology which advocates for politically separating people from one another on the basis of their ethnicity. Being that ethnic groups have a racial foundation, this makes it "racist".You can say you aren't motivated by hatred for other groups, and therefore you aren't "racist" in that sense. But a White Nationalist could say the same thing. The word "racism" shouldn't imply anything about hatred anyway, you shouldn't concede that to the enemy.And I never reduced the English to a crude biological taxonomy, but one can't metaphysically differentiate the non-biological things which constitute their ethnic character (language, culture, history) from the racial stock which is it's ancestral foundation. The English are what they are because they are what they are. It's in the blood. If you don't believe that, you aren't a Nationalist, as you see culture as something which can be inorganically distinguished from ancestry.Also I never stated opposition to ethnonationalism. I want England to stay English, Scotland to stay Scottish and Wales to stay Welsh. Britain is my ancestral homeland, I feel passionate about this. But there is obviously a massive difference between immigrants who are say Irish or Danish or German immigrating to Britain and fucking Blacks and Indians - one set of immigrants are so racially similar they can be absorbed without changing Britain's racial character, the other groups can't. This is obvious and if you refuse to acknowledge it you're lying.But of course that isn't to say I think you should embrace the ideology of White Nationalism, you should be ethnonationalist. You should also however not put out incoherent cucked rhetoric on race out of fear of enemy rhetoric. The British people are being attacked because of their race on the basis of race. It's utterly cretinous to try and weasel around that so you can convince someone you're "not a racist" - it's also a pointless exercise, no one who cares about the label "racist" will support an ethnonationalist political party anyway. Get your head out of your arse.<ends>Any thoughts? Are you a Joel or Alec guy or girl, neither, a bit of both? <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤔" title="Thinking face    :thinking:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/6.5/png/unicode/64/1f914.png" data-shortname=":thinking:" /></blockquote>

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