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Message: <blockquote data-quote="scolairebocht" data-source="post: 109619" data-attributes="member: 8">SeekThefairLand"...when the Fenians attempted to free Ireland in the 1860s Dr Moriarty of Kerry told them that "that hell wasn't hot enough and eternity wasn't long enough" for any man involved."That is a reference to Bishop Daniel Moriarity and his sermon of the 17th February 1867 in Killarney Cathedral. But the atmosphere at the time was that many were seeing the hand of the government in the Fenian movement, that its leader James Stephens, was not what he was presented as, and so, to a large extent, Moriarty and Cullen (the Archbishop of Dublin who was a big influence on Moriarty) were saying that there was a hot place in hell for those who 'swindle' Irish people like that i.e. claiming to be great patriots when they are actually secretly government agents. The papers were talking about the 'Fenian Swindle' at that time, and I think Moriarty's comments were perceived to be in that context, like here in a contemporary reference to him for example:Again, what seemed to bring out all this talk at that time of a 'Fenian Swindle' was the recent arrest and mysterious escape of the head of the Fenians, James Stephens, described here by Captain Pollard who used to work in Dublin Castle:The Bishop might have known some of these facts at the time, because for example he knew that mysteriously the government had at all times full knowledge of the makeup of the Fenians in his diocese:So the government were quietly watching people join an organisation that they had full details on, suckering people into their doom? That I think was something of what the Bishop was condemning.That said there are no doubt some foolish statements by Bishops on political matters over the years, and Moriarty wasn't immune to it either, after all there is still an element of truth in your criticism of that sermon, but you are being very unfair in painting the Catholic Church in Ireland as the British government's lackey. There certainly are things you could argue about, like the foundation of Maynooth maybe, but broadly speaking that just isn't true.</blockquote>

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