Mass Migration to Ireland & Europe

[Wolf]

Some of us can’t read that as RT is blocked on our phones. Please provide a summary, thanks.

Here's the article in full. Had to use 2 posts as the 10,000 character limit kicks in.

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Britain goes full Orwell accusing Putin of imperialism​

Foreign Secretary David Lammy launched into a weird rant against Russia, accusing it of the crimes Britain has committed

By Tarik Cyril Amar, a historian from Germany working at Koç University, Istanbul, on Russia, Ukraine, and Eastern Europe, the history of World War II, the cultural Cold War, and the politics of memory
@tarikcyrilamartarikcyrilamar.substack.comtarikcyrilamar.com

David Lammy, Foreign Secretary of the United Kingdom, addresses the UN Security Council session at the 79th General Debate of the UN General Assembly. © Michael Kappeler/Getty Images
There are intriguing and disappointing – though not surprising – continuities between Great Britain under the conservative Tories and the current iteration under a hardly less rightwing version of the Labour party. Crony corruption scandals that reveal the British political elite as comically greedy and petty are already erupting again. Ordinary people still face an unforgiving search for “austerity”; indeed, given recent Labour moves on the budget, for instance on the winter fuel allowance, affecting over ten million frequently vulnerable pensioners, the so-called “Left” is now outdoing the Right in cruelty toward the common man and woman. And the fairly new prime minister, Keir Starmer, is already as deeply unpopular as his predecessor Rishi Sunak was when he called the elections that predictably finished him off.
And then there is foreign policy. There as well, it is hard to spot a difference. It is true, we have just learned that, once, former Tory Prime Minister Boris Johnson was seriously considering an “aquatic raid” (say that with a Churchill growl, please) on the Netherlands, a NATO ally, to seize Covid vaccines. We have not yet heard of similarly exotic plots laid by Starmer. But otherwise, same old, same old. The UK elite remains fatally addicted to a blind loyalty toward its special relationship with the US that sometimes could make even the Germans blanch with envy. And they know a thing or two about absolute submission.
London also won’t let go of its position as Europe’s hottest cheerleader for the proxy war against Russia via Ukraine, at least outside the Baltics. Officially, the British government is still promoting the idea of co-launching Western-supplied missiles from Ukraine deep into Russia. Never mind that Moscow has made it clear that it will consider such a policy as bringing all of NATO and Russia into direct military conflict – not (barely) indirect as up until now. Moreover, the Russian leadership has also put the West on notice that cut-out games won’t work. The core point about its recent revision of Russia’s nuclear doctrine is that not only the ostentatious direct attacker state but its supporters as well are fair game – as they should be – for retaliation.
There may well be an element of fairly cheap theater in London’s posturing as a missile street tough. Think of a dog madly barking behind a closed gate, precisely because it knows the gate is closed and it won’t have to act on its ferocious threats. The role of the gate is played by Washington, which fails to allow the brilliant British-Ukrainian Armageddon-Come-and-Get-Us plan to go ahead, as the Telegraph has just bemoaned. How convenient: We’d be (insanely) brave, really, if only we didn’t have to be so obedient, too.

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Yet, at least as far as stentorian rhetoric is concerned, the UK’s government will certainly not be outdone. The problem with all the big talk, though, is that it can easily veer off into declarations so unusually hyperbolic and absurd that they backfire. Think of this current British mood as the very opposite of that fine understatement for which the island’s culture used to be famous. An example of this kind of self-defeating bombast was recently delivered by Foreign Secretary David Lammy.
Trying to reach an international audience, especially in a Global South that has long given up on the West, Lammy launched into a rant – there really is no other word – about Russia and its president, Vladimir Putin. The whole thing was rather cringe, as if trying to outdo his infamous German colleague Annalena ‘360 Degrees of Anti-Diplomacy’ Baerbock in demeaning his own office. Lammy, for instance, apparently felt no shame denouncing Moscow’s “disinformation” – that, from one of the West’s worst deniers and enablers of Israel’s many crimes, including its Gaza genocide and devastation of Lebanon. Frankly Russia, at this point: just wear it with pride.
But the perhaps most stunningly grotesque moment occurred when Lammy sought to make opportunistic use of the horrific history of modern slavery. “As a black man,” he stated, “whose ancestors were taken in chains from Africa, at the barrel of a gun to be enslaved, whose ancestors rose up and fought in a great rebellion of the enslaved” he had a special knack for recognizing “imperialism.” By that he meant, of course, Russian imperialism.

 

[Wolf]

Since then, be assured, there has been much head scratching, perhaps especially in that Global South that Lammy tried so desperately to impress with his rhetorical kamikaze attack. Was not the British – cough, cough – Empire (as in imperialism) one of the worst participants in the Atlantic slave trade that produced 10 to 12 million Black victims?


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During the process of hunting and enslaving human beings, “an estimated 10 to 15 percent of the captives died on their way” from the African interior to the coast. Then the so-called Middle Passage, the nightmarish deportation across the Atlantic killed another 10 to 25% of the victims. Apart from the effects of brutal overcrowding below deck, malnutrition, and psychological trauma, slave traders had a habit of “disposing” of those they considered worthless by dropping them into the sea, alive and chained to each other, sometimes to make an insurance profit. William Turner depicted such a massacre by drowning on, as it happened, a British slave ship, in one of his most famous paintings.

And for those who survived both capture in Africa and the Middle Passage: Was it not the US – Britain’s current boss and the site of Lammy’s rant – that literally built its economic take-off on slave labor so brutal the ancient Romans would have been either impressed or shocked? And what about that famous “value” West that Lammy also seeks to speak for? Comprehensively represented in the same great crime: the Portuguese, the Dutch, the French, you name it…

The result was not only death and brutality on a staggering scale. Parts of the African continent were also massively damaged demographically, economically, and politically. As summarized in Encyclopedia Britannica (as it happens), the transatlantic slave trade “had devastating effects in Africa. Economic incentives for warlords and tribes to engage in the trade of enslaved people promoted an atmosphere of lawlessness and violence. Depopulation and a continuing fear of captivity made economic and agricultural development almost impossible throughout much of western Africa. A large percentage of the people taken captive were women in their childbearing years and young men who normally would have been starting families. The European enslavers usually left behind persons who were elderly, disabled, or otherwise dependent groups who were least able to contribute to the economic health of their societies.” This was a holocaust for Africa. Historically, it is not long ago. Its scars are still there. And it was the West’s doing.

The point is not to pretend that Russia, at the same time, had no imperial history, including great violence and injustice. Empires do. Only the naive are in denial about that fact. Rather what is so striking is that, to go after Russia, Lammy could not think of anything better than to bring up one of the British Empire’s greatest crimes. At first sight, this is “merely” yet another example of Westerners losing all inhibitions when demonizing their geopolitical opponent. They are not even ashamed to openly cite their own worst crimes to do so. Orwellian indeed.


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Yet there is something else here as well that is, if anything, even more insidious. Since the Ukraine War, we have seen a relentless and widespread effort to mis-appropriate the experience, the suffering, and the resistance of the Global South as a cheap rhetorical device to provide heroic spin for Zelensky’s regime and the West’s proxy war as well as cheap shots at Russia.

There is, of course, a politics of Left and Right here. Traditionally, and for good reasons, criticizing imperialism and colonialism has been a ‘left’ thing. By hijacking ostentatiously ‘anti-colonial’ terms for the proxy war in Ukraine, this potential on the Western Left was supposed to be channeled into serving the US-NATO-EU complex. With some, that rather perverse trick, transparent as it is, has even worked. Think of it as wearing a Che Guevara-print shirt and venerating Ukrainian Azov Neo-Nazis as ‘freedom fighters’.

Politically, this is just another way in which semi-smart people fool semi-simple people. But there is a more serious, moral dimension as well. It is a truly and abjectly colonial and imperialist move to exploit the massive suffering – almost exclusively at the hands of the West – as well as the hard-won insights and hard-fought resistance of what we now call the Global South so as to feed them into the cheap propaganda that the West now uses to sell its geopolitics-101 proxy war in Ukraine as an issue of ‘rules’ and ‘values’. And yet that is precisely what David Lammy has done. What a disgrace.

 

[jpc]

Since then, be assured, there has been much head scratching, perhaps especially in that Global South that Lammy tried so desperately to impress with his rhetorical kamikaze attack. Was not the British – cough, cough – Empire (as in imperialism) one of the worst participants in the Atlantic slave trade that produced 10 to 12 million Black victims?


Read more
The West is ensuring Kiev’s demise on purpose
During the process of hunting and enslaving human beings, “an estimated 10 to 15 percent of the captives died on their way” from the African interior to the coast. Then the so-called Middle Passage, the nightmarish deportation across the Atlantic killed another 10 to 25% of the victims. Apart from the effects of brutal overcrowding below deck, malnutrition, and psychological trauma, slave traders had a habit of “disposing” of those they considered worthless by dropping them into the sea, alive and chained to each other, sometimes to make an insurance profit. William Turner depicted such a massacre by drowning on, as it happened, a British slave ship, in one of his most famous paintings.

And for those who survived both capture in Africa and the Middle Passage: Was it not the US – Britain’s current boss and the site of Lammy’s rant – that literally built its economic take-off on slave labor so brutal the ancient Romans would have been either impressed or shocked? And what about that famous “value” West that Lammy also seeks to speak for? Comprehensively represented in the same great crime: the Portuguese, the Dutch, the French, you name it…

The result was not only death and brutality on a staggering scale. Parts of the African continent were also massively damaged demographically, economically, and politically. As summarized in Encyclopedia Britannica (as it happens), the transatlantic slave trade “had devastating effects in Africa. Economic incentives for warlords and tribes to engage in the trade of enslaved people promoted an atmosphere of lawlessness and violence. Depopulation and a continuing fear of captivity made economic and agricultural development almost impossible throughout much of western Africa. A large percentage of the people taken captive were women in their childbearing years and young men who normally would have been starting families. The European enslavers usually left behind persons who were elderly, disabled, or otherwise dependent groups who were least able to contribute to the economic health of their societies.” This was a holocaust for Africa. Historically, it is not long ago. Its scars are still there. And it was the West’s doing.

The point is not to pretend that Russia, at the same time, had no imperial history, including great violence and injustice. Empires do. Only the naive are in denial about that fact. Rather what is so striking is that, to go after Russia, Lammy could not think of anything better than to bring up one of the British Empire’s greatest crimes. At first sight, this is “merely” yet another example of Westerners losing all inhibitions when demonizing their geopolitical opponent. They are not even ashamed to openly cite their own worst crimes to do so. Orwellian indeed.


Read more
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Yet there is something else here as well that is, if anything, even more insidious. Since the Ukraine War, we have seen a relentless and widespread effort to mis-appropriate the experience, the suffering, and the resistance of the Global South as a cheap rhetorical device to provide heroic spin for Zelensky’s regime and the West’s proxy war as well as cheap shots at Russia.

There is, of course, a politics of Left and Right here. Traditionally, and for good reasons, criticizing imperialism and colonialism has been a ‘left’ thing. By hijacking ostentatiously ‘anti-colonial’ terms for the proxy war in Ukraine, this potential on the Western Left was supposed to be channeled into serving the US-NATO-EU complex. With some, that rather perverse trick, transparent as it is, has even worked. Think of it as wearing a Che Guevara-print shirt and venerating Ukrainian Azov Neo-Nazis as ‘freedom fighters’.

Politically, this is just another way in which semi-smart people fool semi-simple people. But there is a more serious, moral dimension as well. It is a truly and abjectly colonial and imperialist move to exploit the massive suffering – almost exclusively at the hands of the West – as well as the hard-won insights and hard-fought resistance of what we now call the Global South so as to feed them into the cheap propaganda that the West now uses to sell its geopolitics-101 proxy war in Ukraine as an issue of ‘rules’ and ‘values’. And yet that is precisely what David Lammy has done. What a disgrace.

Serious reading to be done here.
Great find!

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Serious reading to be done here. Great find!

Could you get back to me with half a dozen bullet points when you're done?

Thank you Sir.

 

[Wolf]

One really can only laugh at this stage.
This is a joke. Ireland is not a serious country.
At best it's a glorified but corrupt and incompetent county council.

Cost of modular homes for Ukrainian refugees double to €436k per unit
https://jrnl.ie/6500701

 

[jpc]

Could you get back to me with half a dozen bullet points when you're done?

Thank you Sir.

Lammys needs to read his history books a bit better wrt comparing English imperialism and Russian imperialism.
The British Spanish Portuguese and Dutch left the Russians in shade.
But given his Ignorance of the above it makes his rant against Russia all the more absurd.
The Germans decision maker's are slowly realising how fucked Germany has become.
And finally what type of fool does he take the global south for conflating fighting imperialism with the Ukraine war.
Ukraine has been destroyed by the west for its perceived benefit.
And they see it for what it is.
That's the takeaway for everyone else.

 

[nobody knows I'm a dog]

Maximum sentences for knife-related offences increased
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/0930/1472665-knife-crime-sentences-increase/

Needless to say this will only apply to irish and not africans.

Indeed, or other tanned people.

Drunken man who threatened gardai carried a knife 'to chop salami for his lunch'

A CHIP shop worker found with a knife in his pocket after shouting threats at gardaí claimed he had it to "chop salami for his lunch".

m.sundayworld.com

 

[nobody knows I'm a dog]

Ballaghaderreen cathedral installs CCTV after window smashed four times | Shannonside.ie

Ballaghaderreen's Michael Scally was one of the speakers at the rally, which was held after several burglaries in the county recently.

www.shannonside.ie

In the longer 3minute interview linked below, Mr Scally confirms the culprits are non-natives.

LISTEN: 'People are afraid to open their door - they could be killed,' Castlerea crime protest hears | Shannonside.ie

Postmaster Paddy McCann, from Fairymount, told the crowd some people are even afraid they'll be killed.

www.shannonside.ie

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Here's two videos that I watched on Lammy's speech and I would like to do a compare & contrast, if I may.

The first is by Derek Domino, an Irish YouTuber who's, I would say, a sort of middle-aged Irish PJW, and the second by Morgoth's Review.

I will contrast these videos into anti-woke and nationalist.

Anti-woke

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QGZFCyXvMLY

Nationalist

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QCnkZLxYQ_Y

I'm not trying to knock the Irish PJW guy btw, I watch his videos, occasionally, and I'm not being Check out the big brain on Brett with Morgoth's video either, I just find it more thought-provoking. Let me know what you think in the comments

Does Morgoth believe that David Lammy is some type of Black Nationalist?

 

[Fishalt]

Here's two videos that I watched on Lammy's speech and I would like to do a compare & contrast, if I may.

The first is by Derek Domino, an Irish YouTuber who's, I would say, a sort of middle-aged Irish PJW, and the second by Morgoth's Review.

I will contrast these videos into anti-woke and nationalist.

Anti-woke

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QGZFCyXvMLY

Nationalist

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QCnkZLxYQ_Y

I'm not trying to knock the Irish PJW guy btw, I watch his videos, occasionally, and I'm not being Check out the big brain on Brett with Morgoth's video either, I just find it more thought-provoking. Let me know what you think in the comments

David Lammy is a Labour MP. He is not a Nationalist, has never claimed nor pretended to be one, and is a sitting member of an anti-nationalist party. I don't think you know what Nationalism is TBH.

 

[Fishalt]

Yet I'm the nationalist and you're the anti-woker

I'm both. They're not mutually exclusive things.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

I'm both. They're not mutually exclusive things.

It has been and is being increasingly argued that they are.

 

[Fishalt]

It has been and is being increasingly argued that they are.

By who?

You and Jambo?

Pass.

Not to put a too fine a point on Zip, but once I realized you believed witchcraft is real I stopped caring what you think about...well, everything really. Sorry if that upsides yer tea, aunt Mary.

 

[Fishalt]

I've never known a nationalist to describe themself as a - Nationalist anti-woker



You ain't no nationalist, bruv

I'm a nationalist.

You are an ethnonationalist. To be fair to you Jimmy, I do think that your side of the aisle even has fair point. There is an appreciable difference, say, between a person born in Ireland whose family line goes back to the warpainted Celts and a Pakistani immigrant who has lived in the country for a decade.

The fundamental difference between our ideologies is that you believe, ostensibly, that no immigrant can ever, under any circumstances, ever be 'truly' Irish because of their Genes. That is, you believe this is fundamentally impossible. And I disagree. It's definitely a tricky issue to parse out, though, and I'd be lying if I said I didn't have at least a toe dipped in where you're coming from.

 

[Fishalt]

No, you're not. You're a civic nationalist.

And you're much worse than a full-blown leftist. You are the pure poison..

Hmmmm, I wouldn't say that's accurate. Civic Nationalist tend to place faith in institutions, and don't give credence to culture. I openly distrust institutions and believe culture is the most powerful force in existence. This is why I engage in the culture war. I definitely aim to promote one form of culture over another. A CN would find that abhorrent.

 

[Fishalt]

Are Irish people white?

Is Australia a white nation?

Irish people are traditionally white, yes. Before Globalization, Ireland was as far as I understand it racially homogenous. This is where it gets complicated, and where we partially agree. I'll use Australia as an example:

Down under, Indigenous people are described as 'First Nations' and 'Indigenous'. They get all kinds of perks and benefits on this basis, even if they are visibly white and imperceptibly indigenous. Well, the Irish are Celts who have been in Ireland since about 4BC. Before that it's murky, but we can reasonably assume whoever was trotting about the bogs before then were what we would consider to be white too. Celtic descendants are the indigenous people of Ireland.

I wouldn't say Australia is a white country. It is majority white. Australia always was more of a melting pot, like the US. But the Aborigines were here first (though they haven't been here as long as is popularly claimed, and it's a near certainty that they genocided a race of pygmies that predated them).

 

[Fishalt]

Traditionally? lofl

Look, I'm going to ignore your sophistry here, because I know that you're a civic nationalist, not a nationalist.

But can I ask you about the Australia situation, which is not dissimilar to the American one. Why do you think a bunch nomads who were "there first" owned an entire fucking continent?

That's a stupid question James, I'm disappointed. I could easily just flip the script and ask you the same thing about the Irish, since the Celts were descended from the Bell Beakers, who were nomadic and migrated to Ireland. What would be the difference?

At a certain point, traditional ownership needs to be ascribed. Unless of course you don't believe that any amount of time in homogenous occupation means anything, don't believe in any kind of borders, territory etc et al at all and if you do believe that you can't be a nationalist.

 

[macdougal]

One really can only laugh at this stage.
This is a joke. Ireland is not a serious country.
At best it's a glorified but corrupt and incompetent county council.

Cost of modular homes for Ukrainian refugees double to €436k per unit
https://jrnl.ie/6500701

And not even A-rated, they will have to be retrofitted to bring them up to standard.

 

[Fishalt]

One really can only laugh at this stage.
This is a joke. Ireland is not a serious country.
At best it's a glorified but corrupt and incompetent county council.

Cost of modular homes for Ukrainian refugees double to €436k per unit
https://jrnl.ie/6500701

There's no fucking way that can't be a rort. People are lining their pockets here. Even in Australia where materials are expensive, a two-story kit home that is very impressive and at least 3 bedrooms can be bought for 100K.

 

[Declan]

Indeed, or other tanned people.

Drunken man who threatened gardai carried a knife 'to chop salami for his lunch'

A CHIP shop worker found with a knife in his pocket after shouting threats at gardaí claimed he had it to "chop salami for his lunch".

m.sundayworld.com

"Asenov was a polyglot but his level of English was basic.

Judge Smyth fined him €200 for the knife charge and another €200 for shoplifting a jacket in a separate incident."

 

[Declan]

Ballaghaderreen cathedral installs CCTV after window smashed four times | Shannonside.ie

Ballaghaderreen's Michael Scally was one of the speakers at the rally, which was held after several burglaries in the county recently.

www.shannonside.ie

In the longer 3minute interview linked below, Mr Scally confirms the culprits are non-natives.

LISTEN: 'People are afraid to open their door - they could be killed,' Castlerea crime protest hears | Shannonside.ie

Postmaster Paddy McCann, from Fairymount, told the crowd some people are even afraid they'll be killed.

www.shannonside.ie

That halfwit Olli Rehn is from this area

 

[Fishalt]

I give this much of a fuck at how "disappointed" you are in me -

<.>

There it is.

Here's my friendly advice to you, you need to wind your Aussie neck in. A good percentage of the posters here are pathetic soupers, but you'll eventually alienate a critical mass

I'll take it on board, Jimmy.
Just a matter of time before you lose the rag anyway really.

Tick Tock.

Edit: Thanks for introducing me to the term 'Souper' BTW. I had to look it up. That really is quite a good one lol

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

There's no fucking way that can't be a rort.

Okay Fishalt, its time to sort this out.

Over the last few weeks I've lost count the amount of times I've had to Google the words you use. But in the last couple of days I've had to do it no less than 6 or 7 times.

I know you're Australian but you're posting on an Irish Board. Could you cut the Aussie slang out please?

Because nobody knows what the fukk you're on about.

Cheers

 

[Fishalt]

Okay Fishalt, its time to sort this out.

Over the last few weeks I've lost count the amount of times I've had to Google the words you use. But in the last couple of days I've had to do it no less than 6 or 7 times.

I know you're Australian but you're posting on an Irish Board. Could you cut the Aussie slang out please?

Because nobody knows what the fukk you're on about.

Cheers

Where did James go all of a sudden?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Edit: Thanks for introducing me to the term 'Souper' BTW. I had to look it up.

You've only had to do that once. I have to do it with every second post you make Sir.

 

[Fishalt]

Thanks, Skippy


That's what you're waiting for


Sad


Well of course you don't know what it means - you're not Irish.

Frankly, I have no idea why or how you got here. R u Jewish?

I am very Irish. Genetically. That's your metric for what being Irish is--or have you already forgotten?

Not a Jew. This is probably going to blow your mind, but life is not /pol. Not every problem that exists in the world and the conflict you have with humanity in general is caused by der Juden.

 

[Fishalt]

Well, you have no idea how much Jews control your mind.

Did you know that civic nationalism, your nationalism, was invented by a Jew? And so was racism

I've got a pretty good idea how much they control yours, though....

They're all you ever think about. I'd be surprised if you don't start ripping up the floorboards after a few rounds at the local.

My position on Jews is thus: There are Zionist Jews, and Jewish people. Zionists and ZOGS are bad. Jewish people are just people. I have personally met Jewish people who observe no faith of any kind, and don't really even understand how they're supposed to be, as Jews, because it's just not part of their considered existence. I have literally met an Israeli like that.

To your point earlier about Jews not being white--well, where do you draw the line? This actually shits me, because often Jewish shitlibs will identify as both white and Jewish depending on what's better for the situation. It's race-weaponization or oppression-pointing. Apparently Ashkenazi Jews have been in Europe since the 10th C, which is a pretty fucking long time. A lot of them are basically white, who knows how much Semitic blood they even have left in them.

I don't disagree with you entirely on this. There's a reason they've been kicked out of a bunch countries, and there are lots of weeds and ugly things with 'Jew's' as a prefix/suffix. The Jewish lobby can blame antisemitism for that all it likes, but my point is that even if it is antisemitism it had to start from somewhere and something. Probably it's owing to Jews traditionally being very insular, and heavily involved in Usury--which for a long time unlike Muslims and even Christians, they were not prohibited from engaging in. That, and their religion is fairly racist and supremacist (God's chosen people etc). It's not hard to see where the antipathy comes from.

I'm not going to write someone off purely on the basis that they're Jewish though. Depends on what they're like. Case-by-case basis, the same as everybody else.

 

[Fishalt]

Aha! I see your Jewish mind control is kicking in again - I'm obviously just an anti-Semite


I actually think that this is kind of ridiculous.

Find me a thousand Jews, out of whatever, fifteen million, who think that Israel shouldn't exist



Here -


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mirL15zZYNc

A Jew wrote that

I'm not really interested in a genealogical argument with you. You're a narcissist so you lack human empathy, so you don't understand how other people think, can't put yourself in "their shoes" etc.

Sure thing. Took me about ten minutes of research here BTW.

Most Orthodox Jews are anti-Zionist. Sects such as Neturie Karta (There are approx. 5000 of these alone) and Hassidics flat-out deny the right of Israel to exist. These Jews are hated by zionist Jews, and are maligned by secular Jews in the media.

Neturei Karta - the extreme Jewish fringe group beloved of many anti-Zionists

Neturei Karta - the extreme Jewish fringe group beloved of many anti-Zionists

www.thejc.com

They believe the Jews are in exile and the state of Israel is an affront to God. Ironically, the more devoutly Jewish a Jew is, the more likely they are to be Anti-Zionist and Anti-Israel. This is because the establishment and expansion of Israel breaks two of the three oaths in the Talmud.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S17Fr8z_Oo


What I'm trying to point out, Jimmy, is that the world and people are more complicated then 'Jews are bad and that's why my life sucks'. I don't know when you became totally enveloped in this Jew rabbit-hole, but it's really not helping you or anyone else get anything changed. Persist with it all you want. I don't see how any productive or positive change can come of it. Zionism, not all of Jewdom (if that's a thing) is probably where you should direct your anger.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

You two guys have Jewed it up so much in the last few days you're in danger of making Ms Catherine sound intelligible on the subject.

 

[Fishalt]

You two guys have Jewed it up so much in the last few days you're in danger of making Ms Catherine sound intelligible on the subject.

Honestly Myles this entire thread makes me sadder than your very own liver.

I really don't want to be up in this bitch defending Jews. It's just not something I care about.

 

[Fishalt]

Here's another thing that annoys me about you, Skippy

It occurred to me that I should mention the ultra-Orthodox Jews who aren't Zionist.. And you found them. And what was my figure, 1000? And now you've beaten it by what, 4000, out of what.. Fifteen fucking MILLION!

As a famous Irish farmer (@valamhic) once said -

"If you can't count then you're a fucking moron."

For fuck's sake. You asked for a thousand and I gave you 5000 and you're still on the blob about it. What do you want me to do? Poll the rest of them?

Done talking to you today James. I'm getting very over approving all these posts constantly also, it really is a drag. Zip can do it for a while from now on.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Not to put a too fine a point on Zip, but once I realized you believed witchcraft is real I stopped caring what you think about...well, everything really. Sorry if that upsides yer tea, aunt Mary.

Yeah the idea of Witchcraft actually existing as a real thing in the world is all just womenly imagination.....

Tanzania police arrest 32 witch-doctors over ritual albino killings

Activists say at least 75 albinos have been killed since 2000 and seventeen people convicted of murders already on death row

www.theguardian.com

Santeria, a fugitive killer and a corpse missed by cops. The story ends in prison

Fifteen years ago, a Miami jeweler named Hugo Quesada stabbed his estranged wife and her stepfather to death in a row over his attempt to become a priest in the Afro-Cuban Santería religion. He...

www.tampabay.com

 

[Fishalt]

Geez, if Fishalt doesn't care what you think about about "well, everything really" because of your belief in witchcraft.. I can't imagine what he thinks about flat earthers

Really, James? That's your best effort at fomenting a rebellion?

pfffft.

Carry on.

 

[Fishalt]

Yeah the idea of Witchcraft actually existing as a real thing in the world is all just womenly imagination.....

Tanzania police arrest 32 witch-doctors over ritual albino killings

Activists say at least 75 albinos have been killed since 2000 and seventeen people convicted of murders already on death row

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Santeria, a fugitive killer and a corpse missed by cops. The story ends in prison

Fifteen years ago, a Miami jeweler named Hugo Quesada stabbed his estranged wife and her stepfather to death in a row over his attempt to become a priest in the Afro-Cuban Santería religion. He...

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OK.

But you don't believe it actually....works, though do you?

 

[scolairebocht]

Anyway you had a great debate here, I hope you don't mind me butting in, although I basically agree with AN1. I guess there are two issues:

Whether we should defend Irishness as a race

It seems to me that Fishalt is doing a good job articulating the establishments viewpoint here. Yes you are allowed your nationalist myths and symbols, but you cannot assert that the Irish are a race who are worth preserving as such. So and so from Nigeria is just as Irish as you are, if they are born here or what have you. Hence after a few, short enough, years, we will have maybe two thirds of the population from Africa, Asia, Brazil etc etc, and these are supposed to cheer when they hear about Michael Collins, the resistance to soupers, and Fr Murphy of Boulavogue etc, at least as much as the native Irish?

I don't think so, it should be blindingly obvious to anybody that it is the Irish race for which these things are important and real, i.e. true inspirations and patterns for resisting tyranny, for the other races it can only ever be a faux intellectual exercise discussing this. And thats the world the powers that be want and very much intend to create here, the native Irish are to be pushed out and hence it will be easier for them to control the island.


Non existence of witchcraft, or at least it was never a true phenomenon.

One of the big themes the powers that be always want to hide, in my experience researching this anyway, is the reality of the whole Satanic/Luciferian world, its incredible power, symbols and influence in the media and arts generally. You think that the hype about the Harry Potter films, the Olympics ceremony this year and the Irish Eurovision entry, come out of nowhere?

Not at all, this is where the real power lies, and witchcraft is self consciously an integral part of this world, as is voodoo, channelling of spirits/demons and all these other Occult goings on. This is the religion of the globalists, it is a very big deal, not at all to be underestimated I'd say.

 

[scolairebocht]

Yes its strange that the globalists are not in fact atheists, although they have promoted the latter philosophy to date. (For example Bertrand Russell, a famous atheist philosopher and grandson of the British PM at the time of the Famine, was in one of these Occult families.) Presumably at some point soon they will ave to evolve Western thinking into an Occult perspective away from the atheist, supposedly scientific, one.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Stephan Molyneux

Ah I remember him! The Athlone man.

Could you tell me briefly WTF you and he are talking about because it really is boring as hell.

 

[Fishalt]

Anyway you had a great debate here, I hope you don't mind me butting in, although I basically agree with AN1. I guess there are two issues:

Whether we should defend Irishness as a race

It seems to me that Fishalt is doing a good job articulating the establishments viewpoint here. Yes you are allowed your nationalist myths and symbols, but you cannot assert that the Irish are a race who are worth preserving as such. So and so from Nigeria is just as Irish as you are, if they are born here or what have you. Hence after a few, short enough, years, we will have maybe two thirds of the population from Africa, Asia, Brazil etc etc, and these are supposed to cheer when they hear about Michael Collins, the resistance to soupers, and Fr Murphy of Boulavogue etc, at least as much as the native Irish?

I don't think so, it should be blindingly obvious to anybody that it is the Irish race for which these things are important and real, i.e. true inspirations and patterns for resisting tyranny, for the other races it can only ever be a faux intellectual exercise discussing this. And thats the world the powers that be want and very much intend to create here, the native Irish are to be pushed out and hence it will be easier for them to control the island.


Non existence of witchcraft, or at least it was never a true phenomenon.

One of the big themes the powers that be always want to hide, in my experience researching this anyway, is the reality of the whole Satanic/Luciferian world, its incredible power, symbols and influence in the media and arts generally. You think that the hype about the Harry Potter films, the Olympics ceremony this year and the Irish Eurovision entry, come out of nowhere?

Not at all, this is where the real power lies, and witchcraft is self consciously an integral part of this world, as is voodoo, channelling of spirits/demons and all these other Occult goings on. This is the religion of the globalists, it is a very big deal, not at all to be underestimated I'd say.

I never said the Irish weren't a race. I was asked if they were white. I answered that question.

There are no angels, demons, or spirits, and magic doesn't work, because it isn't real.

 

[Fishalt]

Baha! roc uses this trope when he tries to defend his blatant anti-white ethno-nationalist hypocrisy (and he has the gall to say that non-Zionist ethno-nationalists read from a script )

Stephan Molyneux is a culty faggot, but he's right here. I've argued this exact same point for years. You can't advocate for multiracialism whilst also creating an ethnostate.

 

[Fishalt]

Since you're always telling me the multivariate ways in which I annoy you, let me throw one back at you James:

You will gleefully venture into Tiger's thread and berate him about his faith in Christianity but when Zip or Scholairebocht express precisely the same faith, or some other far more deluded, like clandestine networks of elitist witches, satanists and oogety boogeties going out on the equinox to rub garlic on their labia, to recite canticles in gibberish whilst waving smoking sprigs of sage and giving live birth to spider babies and goatpeople or whatever mad tanglefuck of spurious insanity it is they're babbling about--scarcely a peep.