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<blockquote data-quote="Tiger" data-source="post: 125865" data-attributes="member: 353"><p>If you deny the existence of a soul, you are not only ignoring centuries of philosophical thought—from Plato and Descartes to Kant and Heidegger—but also disregarding the growing body of evidence from near-death experiences, as documented by scholars like Raymond Moody and Pim van Lommel, which suggests that consciousness persists beyond the physical brain and cannot be solely explained by material processes.</p><p></p><p>Reason is available to everyone, not just me. I have no control over whether or not others choose to engage with it. The idea of scientifically ‘proving’ the immortality of the soul, as though it were a measurable physical phenomenon, is a folly that demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of both reason and science. The immaterial cannot be measured in the same way as material substances, and expecting otherwise is the height of intellectual arrogance.</p><p></p><p>Have I personally died and returned? Of course not. But neither have you, and yet you presume to declare that no one can know.</p><p></p><p>There’s a long record of those who’ve had near-death experiences (NDEs)—from ancient accounts to contemporary studies—describing vivid and consistent encounters with realities beyond the material. As already mentioned, the work of figures like Dr. Raymond Moody, Dr. Pim van Lommel, and countless others documents these phenomena, offering compelling evidence that consciousness persists beyond physical death. While materialists brush off such accounts as hallucinations, they cannot explain their coherence, depth, or the profound transformations they bring about.</p><p></p><p>More importantly, your argument ignores the foundation of rational inquiry. Truth is not confined to personal experience; it’s discovered through reason, testimony, and evidence. To dismiss the possibility of knowing about life and death is less a sign of intellectual rigor and more an abdication of the responsibility to seek truth</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tiger, post: 125865, member: 353"] If you deny the existence of a soul, you are not only ignoring centuries of philosophical thought—from Plato and Descartes to Kant and Heidegger—but also disregarding the growing body of evidence from near-death experiences, as documented by scholars like Raymond Moody and Pim van Lommel, which suggests that consciousness persists beyond the physical brain and cannot be solely explained by material processes. Reason is available to everyone, not just me. I have no control over whether or not others choose to engage with it. The idea of scientifically ‘proving’ the immortality of the soul, as though it were a measurable physical phenomenon, is a folly that demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of both reason and science. The immaterial cannot be measured in the same way as material substances, and expecting otherwise is the height of intellectual arrogance. Have I personally died and returned? Of course not. But neither have you, and yet you presume to declare that no one can know. There’s a long record of those who’ve had near-death experiences (NDEs)—from ancient accounts to contemporary studies—describing vivid and consistent encounters with realities beyond the material. As already mentioned, the work of figures like Dr. Raymond Moody, Dr. Pim van Lommel, and countless others documents these phenomena, offering compelling evidence that consciousness persists beyond physical death. While materialists brush off such accounts as hallucinations, they cannot explain their coherence, depth, or the profound transformations they bring about. More importantly, your argument ignores the foundation of rational inquiry. Truth is not confined to personal experience; it’s discovered through reason, testimony, and evidence. To dismiss the possibility of knowing about life and death is less a sign of intellectual rigor and more an abdication of the responsibility to seek truth [/QUOTE]
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