The causes behind the new Catholic Revival

Tiger said:
BFH, while I think you’re right to describe the feeling of liberation people experienced at the time; however that doesn’t mean the changes themselves were either necessary or healthy for the Faith. What you’re describing is less a simple “translation into English” and more a wholesale redefinition of what the Mass actually is.

The Novus Ordo is not simply a translation of the traditional Latin mass. It’s an entirely new liturgy.

Firstly, on Latin. It wasn’t there to exclude people, it was there to unify and protect the Faith. For centuries, whether you were in Ireland, France, Africa, or Asia, the Mass was the same. A Catholic could walk into any church, anywhere in the world and know exactly what was happening. That universality matters. More importantly, Latin is a dead language, so it doesn’t change. That means the meaning of the prayers can’t drift over time the way vernacular languages do. In a religion built on precise doctrine, that stability is a safeguard, not an insult. If any saint from past centuries turned up today and attended a post Vatican 2 new order (Novus Ordo) rite; they wouldn't know what religion it was and certainly wouldn't think its Catholic. They'd be confused.

And it's worth saying that understanding wasn’t absent, either. People followed the Mass with missals (with the English translation, side by side with the Latin), catechesis, and familiarity. The idea that Catholics for 1,500 years were just sitting in ignorance doesn’t really hold up. My kids could follow the Latin mass at 6 or 7 years of age. It's incredibly simple.

The priest facing the altar, rather than the people, also wasn’t about “turning his back.” He was leading the people in prayer, all facing the same direction, toward God on the cross on Calvary, when the priest faces the other way, he's turning his back on God on the Cross. It is a re-enactment of Calvalry. It was a shared orientation, not a performance. When that changed, the focus subtly shifted: the priest became more like a presenter addressing an audience, rather than a mediator offering sacrifice. The new liturgy and priestly actions suggest that the mass itself is more than likely illicit.

Now, the deeper issue: the post–Vatican II reforms didn’t just “happen.” The new liturgy; the Novus Ordo, was largely shaped by a masonic infiltrator called - Annibale Bugnini, a figure who has long been controversial, including allegations (with considerable evidence) of Masonic associations. What’s not disputed is that he deliberately brought in Protestant observers during the reform process, and the resulting rite removed or softened many explicitly Catholic elements; especially references to sacrifice, sin, and the priest’s unique role. The Freemason Bugnini and his Protestant advisors formed a new liturgy which can only be described as a 'new religion'.

That’s why many see the new Mass as constructed to be more acceptable to non-Catholics rather than as a faithful organic development of tradition.

Even small details reflect a shift in spirit. The introduction of things like the “sign of peace”, that handshake moment, might seem harmless, but it changes the atmosphere from something sacred and vertical to something social and horizontal. It mimics the masonic 'handshake'. Someone was amusing themselves adding that to the liturgy.

As for whether Second Vatican Council was a success: that depends on what you think its goal was. If it was meant to usher in a “new springtime for the church,” the results speak for themselves, mass attendance collapsed, vocations declined, belief in core doctrines weakened. Ireland is a prime example of that trajectory.

But if the aim; intentionally or otherwise, was to dilute, modernise, and ultimately weaken the traditional Faith, then yes, you could argue it succeeded remarkably well.

The Church prior to Vatican 2 was soaring with all-time high mass attendances and conversions. This nosedived after Vatican 2. Pretty much immediately. Vatican 2 was a monumental failure.

So the 1960's “hippy moment” wasn’t just about making things easier to understand. It was about changing the entire orientation of Catholic life, from something sacred, stable, and transcendent into something adaptable, accessible, and, ultimately, far less anchored.

It has been a monumental failure.
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Not a post, more of an article.

Very well written and explained.
 
Thousands in Marian procession in Derry the other day.
No counter protests by SFFG Lab GloboHomo Judaeo-Muslims.
Even the faggot Bishops didn't object!
They are on the retreat.
Críost an Rí.
Deus Vult.

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(Disagree slightly with the requested dress code: they're asking men to wear ties. But otherwise superb.)
 
Causes behind this alleged “revival”.

As always, follow the money:

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Etc.

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You've got to be kidding. The lefties are funded like no tomorrow.

We've got more tax payed NGO's and quangos than any other Country on Earth as pointed out by some black female MEP in the European Parliament.

Not to mention good old Mr Soros.

And where exactly is this mythical "far right" in Ireland? You'd probably fit their AGM in a phone box you tool.
 
No doubt the Soros and other money is pouring into the left.

(I also abhor that btw).

But that does not negate the fact of the counterweight money on the right also pouring into.
 
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