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<blockquote data-quote="Fishalt" data-source="post: 26050" data-attributes="member: 228"><p>When engaging in any discussion, or questions about existence, nature, and the universe, it is important to consider the value principle of scale, and of time-span. Human beings are prone to making rash decisions based on observable modes of functioning--in their own bodies etc. But actually, it is extremely rash to draw conclusions far beyond the scale to which said observations were confined.</p><p></p><p>For example, perceptible changes, or the absence of any, in one minute say nothing of the scale of change in five minutes. A perceptible change in five minutes says nothing of a perceptible change in an hour. Nor a day a week, nor a week a month, nor a month a year, nor a year a century, nor a century, nor a century a millennium. Nor a millennium a million years, nor a million years a billion. This problem can be extended indefinitely.</p><p></p><p>Any change in this secession is necessarily large compared to its predecessor, and small compared to its successor.</p><p></p><p>Are you following me here?</p><p></p><p>Every human being in existence and all that ever have existed--both you and I, and Newton, and Witten, are trapped like bugs in amber--prisoners of our own lives and times. We are in fact equally as deluded as the modernists, who arrogantly believed they had everything figured out. We now consider them to be relics of a quasi dark age. We will always be necessarily limited in our understanding and beliefs relative to the amount of available information in our life-times.</p><p></p><p>You now, are informed by communicators of science in your own web of life and time. You accept on faith explanations of a range of given phenomena relative to physics and biology both.</p><p></p><p>Phrenology was once science. So was Blood-letting and Humour-balancing. You probably think 'Ha--those things were ridiculous! There's no way I'd ever believed in any of that nonsense!' This is incorrect. You absolutely would have. Such things were what existed, and would have framed your epistemology and understanding of the world.</p><p></p><p>What is important to understand is that this very same process is happening to you right now. You currently believe in, and prescribe to, notions, theories, 'evidence', that will become redundant with the passage of time. You are living in a dark age but cannot see it the way a fish cannot see water.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I am not arrogant enough to say 'never'. I am humble enough to accept that, as I said originally to you, that there is more in heaven and earth than is dreamed of in my philosophy. In some way that is currently unimaginable to either of us, it may be the case that it is ostensibly proven that God does exist, and versions of faith practised in a certain way result in the entering of some kind of afterlife.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps Jordan Peterson is right to behave as if God exists.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fishalt, post: 26050, member: 228"] When engaging in any discussion, or questions about existence, nature, and the universe, it is important to consider the value principle of scale, and of time-span. Human beings are prone to making rash decisions based on observable modes of functioning--in their own bodies etc. But actually, it is extremely rash to draw conclusions far beyond the scale to which said observations were confined. For example, perceptible changes, or the absence of any, in one minute say nothing of the scale of change in five minutes. A perceptible change in five minutes says nothing of a perceptible change in an hour. Nor a day a week, nor a week a month, nor a month a year, nor a year a century, nor a century, nor a century a millennium. Nor a millennium a million years, nor a million years a billion. This problem can be extended indefinitely. Any change in this secession is necessarily large compared to its predecessor, and small compared to its successor. Are you following me here? Every human being in existence and all that ever have existed--both you and I, and Newton, and Witten, are trapped like bugs in amber--prisoners of our own lives and times. We are in fact equally as deluded as the modernists, who arrogantly believed they had everything figured out. We now consider them to be relics of a quasi dark age. We will always be necessarily limited in our understanding and beliefs relative to the amount of available information in our life-times. You now, are informed by communicators of science in your own web of life and time. You accept on faith explanations of a range of given phenomena relative to physics and biology both. Phrenology was once science. So was Blood-letting and Humour-balancing. You probably think 'Ha--those things were ridiculous! There's no way I'd ever believed in any of that nonsense!' This is incorrect. You absolutely would have. Such things were what existed, and would have framed your epistemology and understanding of the world. What is important to understand is that this very same process is happening to you right now. You currently believe in, and prescribe to, notions, theories, 'evidence', that will become redundant with the passage of time. You are living in a dark age but cannot see it the way a fish cannot see water. Personally, I am not arrogant enough to say 'never'. I am humble enough to accept that, as I said originally to you, that there is more in heaven and earth than is dreamed of in my philosophy. In some way that is currently unimaginable to either of us, it may be the case that it is ostensibly proven that God does exist, and versions of faith practised in a certain way result in the entering of some kind of afterlife. Perhaps Jordan Peterson is right to behave as if God exists. [/QUOTE]
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