Ukraine.

Mad as Fish said:
"Ukrainian defenders"

A subtle change of language that confirms the great counteroffensive has failed.
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Carnage for anything but the interests of the Ukrainians.
And in the process of being forgotten until there's a major escalation.
 
jpc said:
Carnage for anything but the interests of the Ukrainians.
And in the process of being forgotten until there's a major escalation.
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An asset to be divvied up amongst the money men.
 
Jarry said:
I don't see what's funny. The Russians are invaders in their country after all.
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I don't see what there is to celebrate about the death of soldiers from either side, but you go right ahead and wet yourself over the carnage.
 
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Jarry said:
I like you wish the war to end. The sooner the Russians withdraw the better.
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And have Nato parked on its front lawn? That ain't gonna happen. Promises were made by the west and those promises were broken, Russia has put its money where its mouth and is busy bankrupting America in the process.
 
Mad as Fish said:
Merkel would beg to differ, and I'll go by her account.
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NATO haven't changed their stance since 1991. If countries want to join it that says a lot about their trust in Russia.
Though we know now the Russian forces were shit the whole time.
 
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Jarry said:
NATO haven't changed their stance since 1991. If countries want to join it that says a lot about their trust in Russia.
Though we know now the Russian forces were shit the whole time.
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Whatever....

This has been done to death over the last 18 months, you know you are talking bollux, that narrative just doesn't work anymore.
 
Mad as Fish said:
This has been done to death over the last 18 months, you know you are talking bollux, that narrative just doesn't work anymore.
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It's works better every day. Russia attacked another country (again) which justifies every other country's choice to go into NATO.

The Russian armed forces have been abysmal. Its actually a scandal just how badly Western intelligence overrated them.


"“We have overestimated the strength of the Russian military” (quoted in Agrawal Citation2022). Questions started being asked about why the West had got this so wrong. “Some may wonder,” two observers pointedly noted, “if this is really the same Russian military that had been feared around the world for decades?” (Posard and Holynska Citation2022). Another observer asked, “When it comes to functional military power, is Russia a paper tiger?” (Osborn Citation2022).

Attempting to explain the failure to predict the abysmal performance of the Russian armed forces, some observers apportioned blame to Western analysts and scholars with expertise in the subject. Eliot Cohen (Citation2022) argued that “most professional scholars of the Russian military … predicted a quick and decisive victory,” a sentiment that Taras Kuzio (Citation2022) supported: “most Western experts on the Russian military agreed with the Kremlin that it had a powerful army that could defeat Ukraine within two or three days.” As the military historian Phillips O’Brien (Citation2022) put it, this “is embarrassing for a Western think tank and military community. … For years, Western ‘experts’ prattled on about the Russian military’s expensive, high-tech ‘modernization’ […]. Basically, many people had relied on the glamour of war, a sort of war pornography, to predict the outcome of Russia’s invasion of its neighbour.” In the eyes of critics like O’Brien, the major reason why Russian military capabilities were overestimated had been Western experts’ preoccupation with numbers and technology: “basic metrics … counting tanks and planes and rhapsodizing on their technical specifications” (O’Brien Citation2022; see also Chotiner Citation2022; Kallberg Citation2022; Shulz and Brimelow Citation2022). This preoccupation, in their view, came at the expense of considering other factors required for making a military effective, including logistics, experience in fighting complex combined-arms operations, command and control, motivation, and effective policies to contain corruption in the armed forces among others. In addition, they highlighted that Ukrainian capabilities had been underestimated. In the critics’ eyes, a more holistic analysis of the Russian and Ukrainian armed forces, considering a range of factors much wider than material assets, could have led to a more accurate prediction of how events would unfold.

It has been claimed that overestimates of Russian military capabilities in Ukraine in spring 2022 had potentially serious consequences. For example, US Senator Angus King implied that the United States (and maybe other Western governments) would have delivered military assistance to Kyiv sooner and in larger volume if they had had a more accurate picture of the situation. If this is true, although it is difficult to verify with hindsight, overestimating Russia came at a devastating cost for Ukraine (Barnes Citation2022). Commentators noted that failures in the prediction of Russian performance raise questions about potential inadequacies in the assessment of other potential adversaries’ military capabilities, particularly China’s (Pethokoukis Citation2022). Reportedly, US efforts to revise approaches to foreign military studies are already underway (Toosi and Seligman Citation2022). As the commanding general of the US European Command, General Tod Wolters observed a month into the invasion, there “could be” an intelligence gap that led to overestimates of Russian military capabilities. This would likely lead to a comprehensive after-action review to identify ways of improving military assessments in the future (Cunningham Citation2022)."
 
Jarry said:
It's works better every day. Russia attacked another country (again) which justifies every other country's choice to go into NATO.

The Russian armed forces have been abysmal. Its actually a scandal just how badly Western intelligence overrated them.
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And yet Moscow has still to fall...

Another two weeks perhaps?
 
Jarry said:
Ukraines objectives are to reach its borders. It's always been clear on that.

Making up objectives just reflects badly on you.
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Sigh.....

And just what was the objective of the great spring/summer offensive? And how is that working out?

You parade your stupidity as a virtue, jeez, there must be good money in it.
 
Mad as Fish said:
And just what was the objective of the great spring/summer offensive? And how is that working out?
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Attrition of Russian forces.
You can now see their inability to cope with the Dnipro crossing. All the forces dying around Avdiiivka, that's their first battle.
Russias down to 1950s kit and freshly conscripted kids.
 
Jarry said:
Attrition of Russian forces.
You can now see their inability to cope with the Dnipro crossing. All the forces dying around Avdiiivka, that's their first battle.
Russias down to 1950s kit and freshly conscripted kids.
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So it's not about driving Russia back now, it's about attrition of their forces.

As I said, you parade your stupidity as a virtue.
 
Jarry said:
Abount 0.25% of GDP. Or just 6% of their defense budget.

www.statista.com

Infographic: The Countries Pledging the Most Military Aid to Ukraine

This chart shows the countries committing the most military aid to Ukraine from Jan. 24, 2022 to Oct. 31, 2023 (in billion euros).
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It's a drop in the ocean for them.
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Sure it is, so would housing the homeless

This year’s One Night Count conducted by the Seattle/King County Coalition on Homelessness found 3,722 people across the county without a roof over their heads; 2,813 of those were in Seattle. That number, counted in just three hours on January 23, is up 21 percent from last year.

But hey, it's so much more fun sending guns out to places where they'll be used to kill people from a country you hold an irrational hate for.
 
Jarry said:
That opens up the opportunities.

Like Dnipro.

www.thelowdownblog.com

As Ukraine's Avdiivka Slaughter Grows, They Open 2nd Cross Dnipro Bridgehead

Ukrainian forces are beating the Russians on four fronts - Avdiivka, Bakhmut, Tokmak and now a second cross-Dnipro bridgehead south of Khers...
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In other words the great offensive is a total failure, and now the money is drying up. Will the top brass be bothered to fight on if they can't cream a few million here and there?
 
Mad as Fish said:
But hey, it's so much more fun sending guns out to places where they'll be used to kill people from a country you hold an irrational hate for.
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I know. Russia has a real problem doesn't it.

And I'm sure it's money can be spent more wisely then this god forsaken war it has started.
 
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Military Situation In Southern Ukraine On October 23, 2023 (Map Update)

Russian forces repelled seven attacks of the 82nd Air Assault Brigade near Rabotino; Russian artillery shelled manpower and hardware of...
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  • Russian forces repelled seven attacks of the 82nd Air Assault Brigade near Rabotino;
  • Russian artillery shelled manpower and hardware of the AFU near Malaya Tokmachka;
  • Russian artillery shelled manpower and hardware of the AFU near Novodanilovka;
  • Clashes between the AFU and Russian forces continue near Novopokrovka;
  • Russian forces launched counterattacks near Verbovoe. Two Polish mercenaries were reportedly taken hostage.
  • Russian forces launched counterattacks near Novodonetskoe and Novomayorskoe;
  • Russian forces advanced up to 500 meters near Priytnoe;
  • Russian strikes eliminated manpower and hardware of the 5th, 72nd Mechanized, 58th Motorized Infantry brigades, 128th Territorial Defense Brigade of the AFU near Urozhaynoye;
  • Russian strikes eliminated manpower and hardware of the 5th, 72nd Mechanized, 58th Motorized Infantry brigades, 128th Territorial Defense Brigade of the AFU near Staromayorske;
  • Russian forces repelled Ukrainian attacks near Novodonetske;
  • Clashes between the Russian Army and the AFU continue near Priyutnoe;
  • Russian forces eliminated 80 Ukrainian servicemen, one tank, and three armored fighting vehicles in the Zaporozhye region.
 
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