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<blockquote data-quote="Haven" data-source="post: 146376" data-attributes="member: 5537"><p>[USER=396]@Mad as Fish[/USER] , you need some education.</p><p></p><p>Tube artillery does have a place on the battlefield. However you need to understand CEP.</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.hoover.org/research/radically-rethinking-field-artillery[/URL]</p><p></p><p>"The mainstay of U.S. Field Artillery is cannon fire which mainly consists of exploding 155-millimeter projectiles. Fired at maximum ranges, conventional cannon artillery has a Circular Error Probable (CEP) of more than 250 meters.<a href="https://www.hoover.org/research/radically-rethinking-field-artillery#_edn1" target="_blank">[1]</a> As shown in Figure 1, CEP is the distance from a target at which 50% of fired rounds will land beyond, and 50% will land inside of the intended target."</p><p></p><p>This is technical way of saying you need to fire a lot of rounds to guarantee some damage to the target. And it also takes time.</p><p></p><p>"Using conventional artillery ammunition, a Field Artillery unit would need to fire 43 rounds (4,800 lbs.) of ammunition to have a 57% probability of destroying an enemy platoon. The engagement would take about 30 minutes and require at least 6 howitzers and 34 soldiers".</p><p></p><p>The war in Ukraine has shown you dont get 30 minutes to sit there and fire your rounds. You will be targetted by counter battery fire or drones.</p><p></p><p>Then your losses in terms of fired rounds, killed soldiers and destroyed tubes is considerably more than 3.3K EUR.</p><p></p><p>So, while rockets may be more expensive individually, they are more accurate, they are way faster to shoot and scoot, and a matter you dont address, they have longer range. It adds up to a far more survivable package.</p><p></p><p>Professional militaries around the world have done these calculations and are opting for HiMARS-like systems.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Haven, post: 146376, member: 5537"] [USER=396]@Mad as Fish[/USER] , you need some education. Tube artillery does have a place on the battlefield. However you need to understand CEP. [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.hoover.org/research/radically-rethinking-field-artillery[/URL] "The mainstay of U.S. Field Artillery is cannon fire which mainly consists of exploding 155-millimeter projectiles. Fired at maximum ranges, conventional cannon artillery has a Circular Error Probable (CEP) of more than 250 meters.[URL='https://www.hoover.org/research/radically-rethinking-field-artillery#_edn1'][1][/URL] As shown in Figure 1, CEP is the distance from a target at which 50% of fired rounds will land beyond, and 50% will land inside of the intended target." This is technical way of saying you need to fire a lot of rounds to guarantee some damage to the target. And it also takes time. "Using conventional artillery ammunition, a Field Artillery unit would need to fire 43 rounds (4,800 lbs.) of ammunition to have a 57% probability of destroying an enemy platoon. The engagement would take about 30 minutes and require at least 6 howitzers and 34 soldiers". The war in Ukraine has shown you dont get 30 minutes to sit there and fire your rounds. You will be targetted by counter battery fire or drones. Then your losses in terms of fired rounds, killed soldiers and destroyed tubes is considerably more than 3.3K EUR. So, while rockets may be more expensive individually, they are more accurate, they are way faster to shoot and scoot, and a matter you dont address, they have longer range. It adds up to a far more survivable package. Professional militaries around the world have done these calculations and are opting for HiMARS-like systems. [/QUOTE]
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