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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fishalt" data-source="post: 43215" data-attributes="member: 228">It is quite a bit different to the Iraq war. There was absolutely no precedent that made any sense for the invasion of Iraq. It was a total debacle. Ukraine is not like that. Ukraine has a huge ethnic Russian population that has, despite what western media says about this, been vilified and resource-starved by the Ukrainian state under the stewardship of NATO. Lot of dead citizens, lots of dead kids.The US backed a far-right coup in Ukraine in 2014. It just did. Yanukovych was duly elected and unduly sent fleeing to Russia by far-right goons supplied and funded by NATO under the direction of people like Nuland. This isn't a conspiracy, and really happened. Yanukovych was not a tyrannical despot like Saddam, and he had majority support. This is in fact what annoys me most about your side of the aisle--the refusal to acknowledge this. You people never think to wonder where groups like Azov etc got all their money, because it sure as shit wasn't from the Ukrainian economy. Or how this colour revolution started. Ukraine was then about the poorest country in the region. The truth is, these groups were sent billions in funding by the US state.Now, you might argue that Yanukovych was a Russian plant. Certainly he played favourites with Russia, but why would he not? They were the superpower on his doorstep. And maybe he was, but what of it? That's not America's business. America has no right to police the world. Regardless, his illegal deposition sparked a civil war in Ukraine. That's really where we are at with all this. The war in Ukraine is unlike the war in Iraq fundamentally for this reason. What we're seeing is a tug of war between two superpowers over a territory filled with people with different desires for different visions of a future operating under the protective umbrella of different superpowers. The war in Iraq was just a straight-up invasion based literally on nothing.</blockquote>

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