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<blockquote data-quote="Fishalt" data-source="post: 43333" data-attributes="member: 228"><p>According to December 2013 polls (by three different pollsters), between 45% and 50% of Ukrainians supported Euromaidan, while between 42% and 50% opposed it.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan#cite_note-RBpoll491213-163" target="_blank">[154]</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan#cite_note-RBsIU301213-164" target="_blank">[155]</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan#cite_note-razumkov-165" target="_blank">[156]</a> The biggest support for the protest was found in Kyiv (about 75%) and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Ukraine" target="_blank">western Ukraine</a> (more than 80%).<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan#cite_note-RBpoll491213-163" target="_blank">[154]</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan#cite_note-FT291213-166" target="_blank">[157]</a> Among Euromaidan protesters, 55% were from the west of the country, with 24% from central Ukraine and 21% from the east.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan#cite_note-kpdemographicsfeb-167" target="_blank">[158]</a></p><p></p><p>Euromaiden never had majority support.</p><p></p><p>At the time, there were over 45M people in Ukraine. Those involved in Maidan are estimated to have numbered between 300-800K. Let's meet in the middle somewhere and say it was 500K. That would be 1.1% of the population.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/02/12/who-are-the-protesters-in-ukraine/" target="_blank">https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/02/12/who-are-the-protesters-in-ukraine/</a></p><p>Yanukovych was duly and fairly elected. At the time, even the Guardian reported this.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://ttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/feb/08/viktor-yanukovych-ukraine-president-election" target="_blank">ttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/feb/08/viktor-yanukovych-ukraine-president-election</a></p><p></p><p>Maidan was fomented mostly under the direction of the US-backed Svoboda.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://voxukraine.org/en/denial-of-the-obvious-far-right-in-maidan-protests-and-their-danger-today" target="_blank">https://voxukraine.org/en/denial-of-the-obvious-far-right-in-maidan-protests-and-their-danger-today</a></p><p><a href="https://jacobin.com/2018/03/trump-national-endowment-democracy-foreign-policy" target="_blank">https://jacobin.com/2018/03/trump-national-endowment-democracy-foreign-policy</a></p><p></p><p>US senator John Mcain visited during the crisis and offered US support to Svoboda</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/15/john-mccain-ukraine-protests-support-just-cause" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/15/john-mccain-ukraine-protests-support-just-cause</a></p><p></p><p>Here's Vicky Nuland handing out sandwiches to Maidan protesters:</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-protests-nuland-yanukovych/25197108.html" target="_blank">https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-protests-nuland-yanukovych/25197108.html</a></p><p></p><p>And then there's that leaked phone call....</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957" target="_blank">https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957</a></p><p></p><p>So no, M1A2. The version of events you have been told is not historically accurate, and yes, the US and 'Fuck the EU' Vicky Nuland helped orchestrate the coup in 2014 utilising a far-right group with Nazi ties. And they this this for the benefit of the US empire. I cannot even begin to imagine how you square this with your political values and ideology. I suspect you haven't really thought it through.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fishalt, post: 43333, member: 228"] According to December 2013 polls (by three different pollsters), between 45% and 50% of Ukrainians supported Euromaidan, while between 42% and 50% opposed it.[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan#cite_note-RBpoll491213-163'][154][/URL][URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan#cite_note-RBsIU301213-164'][155][/URL][URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan#cite_note-razumkov-165'][156][/URL] The biggest support for the protest was found in Kyiv (about 75%) and [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Ukraine']western Ukraine[/URL] (more than 80%).[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan#cite_note-RBpoll491213-163'][154][/URL][URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan#cite_note-FT291213-166'][157][/URL] Among Euromaidan protesters, 55% were from the west of the country, with 24% from central Ukraine and 21% from the east.[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan#cite_note-kpdemographicsfeb-167'][158][/URL] Euromaiden never had majority support. At the time, there were over 45M people in Ukraine. Those involved in Maidan are estimated to have numbered between 300-800K. Let's meet in the middle somewhere and say it was 500K. That would be 1.1% of the population. [URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/02/12/who-are-the-protesters-in-ukraine/[/URL] Yanukovych was duly and fairly elected. At the time, even the Guardian reported this. [URL='http://ttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/feb/08/viktor-yanukovych-ukraine-president-election']ttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/feb/08/viktor-yanukovych-ukraine-president-election[/URL] Maidan was fomented mostly under the direction of the US-backed Svoboda. [URL]https://voxukraine.org/en/denial-of-the-obvious-far-right-in-maidan-protests-and-their-danger-today[/URL] [URL]https://jacobin.com/2018/03/trump-national-endowment-democracy-foreign-policy[/URL] US senator John Mcain visited during the crisis and offered US support to Svoboda [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/15/john-mccain-ukraine-protests-support-just-cause[/URL] Here's Vicky Nuland handing out sandwiches to Maidan protesters: [URL]https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-protests-nuland-yanukovych/25197108.html[/URL] And then there's that leaked phone call.... [URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957[/URL] So no, M1A2. The version of events you have been told is not historically accurate, and yes, the US and 'Fuck the EU' Vicky Nuland helped orchestrate the coup in 2014 utilising a far-right group with Nazi ties. And they this this for the benefit of the US empire. I cannot even begin to imagine how you square this with your political values and ideology. I suspect you haven't really thought it through. [/QUOTE]
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